You should be concerned about more than likelihood of your survival if you catch covid-19

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Published today in the Washington Post:


By
Adam Taylor
and
Katerina Ang

June 24, 2021 at 2:50 p.m. UTC


Some covid-19 patients say that after their immediate illness subsided, they suffered lingering symptoms for months, including fatigue, insomnia, brain fog and respiratory problems.

This has become informally known as “long-haul” covid, or simply “long covid.” And while the precise cause is still being researched, a study out of England released Wednesday suggests these symptoms may be startlingly common.

This research, part of an ongoing survey backed by the British government, found that 2 million people living in England reported experiencing “long covid” symptoms, with women and lower-income people particularly susceptible.

“Our findings do paint a concerning picture of the longer-term health consequences of COVID-19, which need to be accounted for in policy and planning,” Paul Elliott, an Imperial College epidemiologist who led the study, said in a statement.

The apparent prevalence of long covid will raise questions about ongoing treatment and vaccination strategy — not just in England but in the rest of the world, where reports of long-term symptoms are also reported to be widespread but poorly understood.

The British findings were collected by Imperial College as part of its virus-tracking REACT 2 study, based on self-reported data from 508,707 adults between September and February. The study is a preprint and has not yet been peer-reviewed.

Nearly 27,000 of the respondents, roughly 6 percent, said they experienced at least one of 29 symptoms linked with covid-19 for three months or longer. Of those who said they had been infected by the coronavirus, that figure jumped to more than a third.

The two main categories of symptoms were ongoing respiratory issues and those related to fatigue.

The long-term problems were more common among women, especially as ages rose. People who smoked, were overweight or obese, lived in deprived areas or had been admitted to a hospital were also found to have higher risk of long covid.

Given the high number of cases of the coronavirus recorded in England — just over 4 million at present, according to the British government — the researchers said that it was possible that 2 million people or more had experienced symptoms of long covid across the country.

That number is a considerable jump from others. An estimate from the British government’s Office of National Statistics released just this month had put the number of people across all of Britain, including England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, at 1 million.

“Long covid is substantially more common than we originally thought,” David Strain, a senior clinical lecturer at the University of Exeter, said in published comments on the new study, adding that it appeared to be having “a substantial impact on people of all ages with lasting consequences.”

Other countries have pointed to large numbers of people experiencing long-term covid symptoms.

Another study from Norway published this week found that more than half of home-isolated young adults with mild covid-19 had suffered significant symptoms six months after their initial infection.

The most prevalent symptoms in that study, conducted by researchers at the University of Bergen, were difficulty concentrating and respiratory problems.

A workshop at the National Institutes of Health held in December suggested that between 10 and 30 percent of the people infected with the virus in the United States would suffer some kind of long-term symptoms.


NIH in February launched a $1.15 billion initiative over four years to study the causes and treatment of long-haul covid.

There has been anecdotal evidence in the United States that some people suffering from symptoms of long covid improved after being vaccinated, but so far there have not been conclusive studies on the matter.

In response to the latest data from the REACT 2 study, British officials pledged more action to understand and treat long-term covid-19 symptoms. British Health Secretary Matt Hancock said that the government had set aside $70 million for research on the subject.

“Long covid can have a lasting and debilitating impact on the lives of those affected,” Hancock said Thursday. “Studies like this help us to rapidly build our understanding of the impact of the condition, and we are using these findings and other new research to develop support and treatments.”
 
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my wife may be a long hauler. she has not totally regained smell and has had some other symptoms many months after covid. i'm not sure "better off dead" is accurate though. i get way sicker now, used to be the one who just trucked through a cold, now it puts me in bed for a couple days.
 

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my wife may be a long hauler. she has not totally regained smell and has had some other symptoms many months after covid. i'm not sure "better off dead" is accurate though. i get way sicker now, used to be the one who just trucked through a cold, now it puts me in bed for a couple days.
Long covid is quite variable. Many people are severely impacted, just nothing like they were before contracting the disease. There are several YT videos concerning it which interview people. 60 Minutes Australia and 60 Minutes USA each did segments on it, watchable on YT. It's very alarming.

People who haven't been vaccinated should be alerted that they are risking ruining their lives with their recalcitrance.
 
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Yeah when this first started I was not that worried about getting it, I figured it only affected older people so that they need to be protected more but that the rest of us are at less risk. But the more this went on the more that turned out to not be true. There's even some kids that died from it and people in my age group too. And it does not go by health, there was a 30ish year old olympic athlete that got a bad case and was hospitalized. The way it affects people seems to vary a lot from no symptoms, to full blown permanent damage.

What's scary is this sort of stuff is not over. We will get more variants of this, as well as other diseases. Lyme disease is another very bad one, at least for anyone that likes the outdoors. It's not as bad as covid as far as how it spreads but still bad for anyone that wants to enjoy the outdoors. I read that Pfizer was working on a vaccine for that in 2019. Clearly they got pretty busy so I don't imagine that continued, but hopefully it does continue at some point.
 

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Long covid is quite variable. Many people are severely impacted, just nothing like they were before contracting the disease. There are several YT videos concerning it which interview people. 60 Minutes Australia and 60 Minutes USA each did segments on it, watchable on YT. It's very alarming.

People who haven't been vaccinated should be alerted that they are risking ruining their lives with their recalcitrance.
Good luck with that, as they aren't easily swayed by facts or data from reputable sources :(
 
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If it doesn't kill you, it still may result in your death...


 
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That isn't even the first time I've heard of someone taking their own life due to long-term symptoms :(
 
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Good luck with that, as they aren't easily swayed by facts or data from reputable sources :(
All of our fates are intertwined with those of the unvaccinated. I'm all for anything that will get them to roll up their sleeves: lotteries, giveaways, free tickets, TV commercials of all kinds, radio commercials, people knocking on their doors, their pastors beseeching them, their politicians getting after them, the relatives/friends ragging on them... I don't care. I don't believe in just turning our backs on them.
 
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If it doesn't kill you, it still may result in your death...



Wow really horrible. :(
 
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All of our fates are intertwined with those of the unvaccinated. I'm all for anything that will get them to roll up their sleeves: lotteries, giveaways, free tickets, TV commercials of all kinds, radio commercials, people knocking on their doors, their pastors beseeching them, their politicians getting after them, the relatives/friends ragging on them... I don't care. I don't believe in just turning our backs on them.
Hey, I'm in the same boat, but I don't think we can be accused of turning our backs on people that are actively sticking their fingers in their ears going "blah blah blah".
I think every third ad I see on YouTube now is encouraging vaccination.
 

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Hey, I'm in the same boat, but I don't think we can be accused of turning our backs on people that are actively sticking their fingers in their ears going "blah blah blah".
I think every third ad I see on YouTube now is encouraging vaccination.
Whatever works, I don't care. Get em to roll up them sleeves, it's for the good of everybody.

And I agree with that widower whose wife killed herself after 13 months post-covid hell that the federal government should launch a major program to address what he called a coming tsunami of post covid problems.
 
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I know a guy mid 50's who had it bad, managed to stay out of the hospital but was really sick. He had chest pain and breathing issues, and his doc thought for sure he had thrown some clots into his lungs. Went to get scanned and nothing. No clots, nothing that shows up on any scans.
Now he has chronic daily pain similar to cramps of his chest muscles and pain in his lungs. There is no treatment but the usual high powered OTC pain meds that beat on your kidneys and liver.
His is the definition of long haul IMO. Please if you are on the fence take this to heart. He is regretting his decision daily.
 

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All of our fates are intertwined with those of the unvaccinated. I'm all for anything that will get them to roll up their sleeves: lotteries, giveaways, free tickets, TV commercials of all kinds, radio commercials, people knocking on their doors, their pastors beseeching them, their politicians getting after them, the relatives/friends ragging on them... I don't care. I don't believe in just turning our backs on them.
My state drew numbers for vaccine winner today, but it maybe a couple of days before the winning number is linked to an individual... so even though I didn't get a call today, I still may be in the running.

There will be 3 more $1M drawings in coming weeks. Take home is $707K after taxes are withheld. Also, 4 - $125k scholarships are on the line for the 12 - 18-year-olds that have been vaccinated.
 
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Yeah when this first started I was not that worried about getting it, I figured it only affected older people so that they need to be protected more but that the rest of us are at less risk. But the more this went on the more that turned out to not be true. There's even some kids that died from it and people in my age group too. And it does not go by health, there was a 30ish year old olympic athlete that got a bad case and was hospitalized. The way it affects people seems to vary a lot from no symptoms, to full blown permanent damage.

What's scary is this sort of stuff is not over. We will get more variants of this, as well as other diseases. Lyme disease is another very bad one, at least for anyone that likes the outdoors. It's not as bad as covid as far as how it spreads but still bad for anyone that wants to enjoy the outdoors. I read that Pfizer was working on a vaccine for that in 2019. Clearly they got pretty busy so I don't imagine that continued, but hopefully it does continue at some point.
there's a vaccine for it, it was recalled voluntarily due to repeated attacks by the antivax community, your dog can get the vaccine though

 
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I'm a male, 32 years of age. Cleanest of bill of health you can have since birth to present sans bad dental hygiene, some flu every 4-5 years, and a nasal cavity sensitivity(probably genetic). An introvert with an "extravert interior", meaning that I can mingle with people up to a point if there is a level of trust, i.e with sister or mother. I don't crave isolation but I can stand extremely long periods of it no problemo to my mind. And you people know I'm a virgin. Genetics leave me capable of endurance even though my build is frail and I'm obviously out of shape....

Despite all of the above...
Late 2019 through last year
This year February to mid-May more so.

2 weeks of no productivity followed by three to four months of "drag" on my mind and increased irritability. Sadly, no test confirmation for the 2019 experience.

I'm just glad I can recover to some semblance of full normalcy and not suffer potential nerve damage or "re-encoding" that others have suffered.

The confirmed case this year left me with more leftover damage than the one in 2019-2020, leaving me coughing but testing negative for a while. I did not suffer coughing in the 2019-2020 experience but the fatigue levels were far more than just sleep deprivation.

Never ever felt complacent, was cautious from the start. No fucking dichotomous thinking here, loads of bad apples at the top more than happy to secretly embrace COVID as the "inverted population pyramid remedy" governments and insurance companies were looking for.
 
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Whatever works, I don't care. Get em to roll up them sleeves, it's for the good of everybody.
Even the stupid fucking selfish asshole that haunts these threads, screaming in his ignorance about never going to get vaccinated, my body, my freedumb bullshit, finally got scared and got stuck because the Delta variant is kicking ass, and I guarantee he is an ass.
 
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Also, 4 - $125k scholarships are on the line for the 12 - 18-year-olds that have been vaccinated.
That's really great! Here in my home state of MA, we're at like 81% vaccinated. Buddy is still waffling about his, not sure what he's afraid of.
 
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Your thread title is telling a group of likely temporarily suicidal individuals that they may be better off dead…
OK, rewrite it for me? I'll make a stab at it now, but I'm open to suggestions, of course, and thank you.

Edit: Changed the title.
 
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there's a vaccine for it, it was recalled voluntarily due to repeated attacks by the antivax community, your dog can get the vaccine though

Proof that stupid people are a direct threat to society.

I wonder if my friend that has been dealing with Lyme Disease for almost 2 years is aware of this.

There is a rabies vaccine for humans, but mostly limited to high risk people, vets, wildlife rangers, etc.
 

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My wife will tell you though....patients are whiny. The most general symptoms like trouble breathing, general pain, fatigue, etc all are side effects of being alive and they get worse as we age.

I believe long covid is a thing, I just know these studies are always going to hit resistance in settling anything because it's not a binary diagnosis and subject to interpretation. A handful of symptoms can ultimately stem from a handful of different problems and potentially be mitigated by a handful of pills. (Or if it's swine flu, perhaps an oinkment)
 

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there's a vaccine for it, it was recalled voluntarily due to repeated attacks by the antivax community, your dog can get the vaccine though


Oh wow I always assumed that vaccine actually DID have issues and that they could not iron them out or something so it basically died. That's too bad then as we could actually have a working one if it was not for the antivax people.
 
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My wife will tell you though....patients are whiny. The most general symptoms like trouble breathing, general pain, fatigue, etc all are side effects of being alive and they get worse as we age.
I can't remember ever having trouble breathing. Even when I have upper respiratory illness. Pain, sure. Fatigue? Every day, at least some of the day. Some rest, some sleep, my energy returns.

The experiences I've heard about with long covid are not psychosomatic. They are quite scary, actually. The "brain fog" they talk about (you hear this again and again) is kind of difficult to put one's finger on, but the autopsies they have been performing have revealed brain tissue deterioration, which is quite scary. Hair falling out in clumps isn't "whiny." Hearing loss (verifiable in tests), isn't whiny. Blood clots leading to limb amputation, not whiny. Hypertension, ditto. The list goes on... this virus causes more varied pathology on the human body than any other known pathogen in history. That was before the variants starting popping up. It's gotten quite a bit worse, and that aspect hasn't stopped, it's apt to keep getting worse!
 
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