You pseudocons have convinced me about Iraq.

Hayabusa Rider

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I figured we were stuck in Iraq. Like VN, we couldn't just leave.

This election of anonymous candidates Bush has perpetrated was the last straw.

Time to bring the troops home.

Declare victory and leave. You have convinced me it's pointless to be there.
 

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Pick your poison. They're screwed if we do, we're screwed if we don't.

I doubt anyone here knows how to fix it, I bet everyone here knows who broke it...deep down, they know.

No matter what happens, when all is said and done, heads should roll. People died to keep it flowing.
 

raildogg

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The reason they are anonymous is because they wont get assasinated by the terrorists.

You want us to run and hide from these terrorists?

Besides, Iraqi's know the candidates. Just because you dont know, doesn't mean much
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: raildogg
The reason they are anonymous is because they wont get assasinated by the terrorists.

You want us to run and hide from these terrorists?

Besides, Iraqi's know the candidates. Just because you dont know, doesn't mean much

Huh? The Iraqis know who they are, but it's kept secret from Americans? Better check your facts.

This isn't a valid election which I was hoping to see. It's window dressing.

Party is over.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: raildogg
The reason they are anonymous is because they wont get assasinated by the terrorists.

You want us to run and hide from these terrorists?

Besides, Iraqi's know the candidates. Just because you dont know, doesn't mean much

Huh? The Iraqis know who they are, but it's kept secret from Americans? Better check your facts.

This isn't a valid election which I was hoping to see. It's window dressing.

Party is over.

Are you really suprised?

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: raildogg
The reason they are anonymous is because they wont get assasinated by the terrorists.

You want us to run and hide from these terrorists?

Besides, Iraqi's know the candidates. Just because you dont know, doesn't mean much

They don't know the candidates.

They don't even know where to vote.

Secrecy surrounds Iraq vote

 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Besides, Iraqi's know the candidates.
Ever since you started posting in P&N, you've posted BS, bordering on, and sometimes like right now, outright lies. What the fvck is the matter with you?

Sorry about the rant WS.



 

Hayabusa Rider

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Not really, but there was a chance. Once we get our ass out of there people will have no choice but to decide how to handle things. I am thinking they are probably better off without us there. America found it's way a couple centuries ago. They need to as well.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: raildogg
The reason they are anonymous is because they wont get assasinated by the terrorists.

You want us to run and hide from these terrorists?

Besides, Iraqi's know the candidates. Just because you dont know, doesn't mean much

Once again raildog has the inside track and his finger firmly on the pulse of the average Iraqi citizen! This election is a big production for the American sheep, not the Iraqi people. Maybe a few years after we have stopped occupying their country they can have a valid election. Pft.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: raildogg
The reason they are anonymous is because they wont get assasinated by the terrorists.

And just what does that tell you about this entire "election" process?

 

raildogg

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Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do

Remember, this is the first attempt at democracy in Iraq. Things are not perfect, but we should all be glad that the Iraqi's will get to vote

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do

Remember, this is the first attempt at democracy in Iraq. Things are not perfect, but we should all be glad that the Iraqi's will get to vote

I'm sick and tired of hearing claims by this administration, which sold America on this war based on fear of Saddam attacking us with his massive stockpiles of WMD, now compounding their lie by expecting us to believe their true motive was to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq.

They portray themselves as humanitarians when in truth they haven't brought freedom and democracy. All they've brought Iraqis are oppression and terror.

And I find it offensive that so many Americans parrot Bush's talking points and actually consider us stupid enough to believe this lie on top of the first lie.

Don't you people have any shame?

 

magomago

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do

Remember, this is the first attempt at democracy in Iraq. Things are not perfect, but we should all be glad that the Iraqi's will get to vote

Congrats, so they will vote for Allawi and Chalabi (two puppets) strictly based on their noteriety(sp?)

That isn't democracy.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Not really, but there was a chance. Once we get our ass out of there people will have no choice but to decide how to handle things. I am thinking they are probably better off without us there. America found it's way a couple centuries ago. They need to as well.
I think the most troubling aspect of our current predicament is that NO ONE in the Bush administration is willing to say, "you know it's possible this won't turn out well." There's nothing wrong with optimism but this administration really seems detached from reality.

I used to think we couldn't afford to fail but it's conceivable that the window for success has closed. Even if "success" is still possible, I'm not convinced it would be worth the cost.

 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: raildogg
Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do

Remember, this is the first attempt at democracy in Iraq. Things are not perfect, but we should all be glad that the Iraqi's will get to vote

Congrats, so they will vote for Allawi and Chalabi (two puppets) strictly based on their noteriety(sp?)

That isn't democracy.

Well Allawi is the current leader of Iraq, so of course they know him. Like I said, people of Iraq are educated, they read the newspapers. They know whats happening
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: raildogg
Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do

Remember, this is the first attempt at democracy in Iraq. Things are not perfect, but we should all be glad that the Iraqi's will get to vote

Congrats, so they will vote for Allawi and Chalabi (two puppets) strictly based on their noteriety(sp?)

That isn't democracy.

Well Allawi is the current leader of Iraq, so of course they know him. Like I said, people of Iraq are educated, they read the newspapers. They know whats happening

Allawi is a picked puppet of the Bush regime. Nothing more. Sure they know who he is, just like the regime wants it to be.

 

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: raildogg
Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do

Remember, this is the first attempt at democracy in Iraq. Things are not perfect, but we should all be glad that the Iraqi's will get to vote

I'm sick and tired of hearing claims by this administration, which sold America on this war based on fear of Saddam attacking us with his massive stockpiles of WMD, now compounding their lie by expecting us to believe their true motive was to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq.

They portray themselves as humanitarians when in truth they haven't brought freedom and democracy. All they've brought Iraqis are oppression and terror.

And I find it offensive that so many Americans parrot Bush's talking points and actually consider us stupid enough to believe this lie on top of the first lie.

Don't you people have any shame?
We do. We are ashamed our countries dark and dirty little secret. The anti-war crowd. We are ashamed of all 50 of you...

 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: raildogg
Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do

Remember, this is the first attempt at democracy in Iraq. Things are not perfect, but we should all be glad that the Iraqi's will get to vote

I'm sick and tired of hearing claims by this administration, which sold America on this war based on fear of Saddam attacking us with his massive stockpiles of WMD, now compounding their lie by expecting us to believe their true motive was to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq.

They portray themselves as humanitarians when in truth they haven't brought freedom and democracy. All they've brought Iraqis are oppression and terror.

And I find it offensive that so many Americans parrot Bush's talking points and actually consider us stupid enough to believe this lie on top of the first lie.

Don't you people have any shame?
We do. We are ashamed our countries dark and dirty little secret. The anti-war crowd. We are ashamed of all 50 of you...


61% say WAS NOT worth fighting. That equates to 180 million.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: raildogg
Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do

Remember, this is the first attempt at democracy in Iraq. Things are not perfect, but we should all be glad that the Iraqi's will get to vote

I'm sick and tired of hearing claims by this administration, which sold America on this war based on fear of Saddam attacking us with his massive stockpiles of WMD, now compounding their lie by expecting us to believe their true motive was to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq.

They portray themselves as humanitarians when in truth they haven't brought freedom and democracy. All they've brought Iraqis are oppression and terror.

And I find it offensive that so many Americans parrot Bush's talking points and actually consider us stupid enough to believe this lie on top of the first lie.

Don't you people have any shame?
We do. We are ashamed our countries dark and dirty little secret. The anti-war crowd. We are ashamed of all 50 of you...


61% say WAS NOT worth fighting. That equates to 180 million.
Yea, we know how those polls work out don't we.: P My 50 is probably much closer than your 180,000,000.


 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: raildogg
Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do

Remember, this is the first attempt at democracy in Iraq. Things are not perfect, but we should all be glad that the Iraqi's will get to vote

I'm sick and tired of hearing claims by this administration, which sold America on this war based on fear of Saddam attacking us with his massive stockpiles of WMD, now compounding their lie by expecting us to believe their true motive was to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq.

They portray themselves as humanitarians when in truth they haven't brought freedom and democracy. All they've brought Iraqis are oppression and terror.

And I find it offensive that so many Americans parrot Bush's talking points and actually consider us stupid enough to believe this lie on top of the first lie.

Don't you people have any shame?
We do. We are ashamed our countries dark and dirty little secret. The anti-war crowd. We are ashamed of all 50 of you...


61% say WAS NOT worth fighting. That equates to 180 million.
Yea, we know how those polls work out don't we.: P My 50 is probably much closer than your 180,000,000.

I doubt it.

 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: raildogg
Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do
Yep, they do know who Allawi is.

http://www.time.com/time/world.../0,8599,644477,00.html

So if they dont like him, they can vote for somebody else.

Its called democracy! Its called an election! I am very anxious. I am hopeful it will turn out for the better, no matter who wins, democracy wins!
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Fine. Let them vote for a rat in a bag. Call it a victory and get out.

:thumbsup:

It would be even more fitting if they ask us to leave.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: raildogg
Well they do know who Allawi is, no? Many know who Chalabi is also. There are newspapers in Iraq, Im sure some Iraqi's know other candidates. Sure not all of them do
Yep, they do know who Allawi is.

http://www.time.com/time/world.../0,8599,644477,00.html

Just wait until the next step in the making of The New Iraq® is completed.

Thanks to Bush and his band of neocon extremists Iraq will cease being a secular society and become a theocracy.

Nice job.

Mission Accomplisted.

The most popular leader in Iraq, according to the ICRSS survey, was the country's leading Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani. Also high up: Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a leader of the Shiite Dawa party named as one of two vice-presidents in the new administration, and Adnan Pachachi, the Sunni elder statesman and preferred presidential candidate of the U.S. who was offered the post but turned it down in the face of objections from some the Iraqi Governing Council.

What's more, the results of the ICRSS May survey suggest that the new president and prime minister had both been slipping in Iraqis' estimation ? in a similar poll conducted last September, Allawi had ranked Number 10 out of 25, and al-Yawer Number 18.

Why do Iraqis have such a poor opinion of Allawi? Sadoun al-Dulame, executive director of the ICRSS, pointed to one reason: "Every newspaper that has reported about his appointment has mentioned his CIA connection." Although Allawi has sniped at the U.S.-led Coalition in recent months, it's his ties to Langley that seem to have registered with Iraqis. (His organization, the Iraqi National Accord, is funded by the CIA.) "He's a CIA man, like [Ahmed] Chalabi," said Raed Abu Hassan, a Baghdad University political science post-grad. "In this country, CIA connections are political poison." It doesn't help that the Shiite Allawi is also a former Baathist, and a returning exile. Many Iraqis are scornful of politicians who left the country during the Saddam era.