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CaptnKirk

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Lawmakers Cry Foul . . .

Ft. Worth Star-Telegram

Seething over Connecticut-based Sikorsky Aircraft's loss of a $6.1 billion presidential helicopter contract, Connecticut political leaders called on President Bush to reconsider the government's decision and threatened a legislative fight in Congress.

The Navy on Friday awarded the prestigious contract to an aerospace consortium that is led by Lockheed Martin and includes Bell Helicopter of Fort Worth and AgustaWestland of Italy.

The decision capped an intense battle and ended Sikorsky's half-century-long claim on the presidential helicopter business.

"I was -- I am -- at a loss to understand this decision," Connecticut Gov. M. Jodi Rell wrote in a letter to Bush, demanding a full explanation from the Defense Department and calling on the Navy to reconsider the decision.

Navy Secretary Gordon England, a former Fort Worth aerospace executive and TCU alumnus, said through a spokesman that he would be willing to meet with Connecticut lawmakers, although reversal of the decision appears remote.

Rep. Rosa DeLauro, a Democrat, requested the meeting on behalf of the state's congressional delegation. Led by Democratic Sens. Joe Lieberman and Christopher Dodd, Connecticut lawmakers assailed the Navy decision for sending presidential helicopter work overseas. Roughly one-third of the work on the next-generation copter will be performed in Italy and Britain.

DeLauro vowed to introduce legislation requiring that presidential helicopters be made solely in the United States.

"In awarding this contract not to Sikorsky but Lockheed, the administration has shown that it has no faith in American business or American workers," she said.

White House spokesman Taylor Gross referred media questions to the Defense Department.

Supporters of the Lockheed Martin-led team, including congressional delegations in New York, Texas and other states where the work will be performed, have vigorously defended the decision.

"We enjoyed a spirited competition, but that's now behind us, and it's time to get to work building helicopters the president urgently needs," said Lockheed Martin spokesman Mike Drake.

Bell and AgustaWestland will jointly build the 23 US-101 helicopters, with Bell assembling the aircraft in Amarillo from components made in the United States, Italy and Britain. Lockheed, the prime contractor, will install the sophisticated electronic communications and defense systems in Owego, N.Y. A portion of the classified work will also be performed by Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co. in Fort Worth.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: conjur
What's wrong with sending some work to our "Coalition of the Willing"?

Id be willing to assume they would be made here in America
 
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"In awarding this contract not to Sikorsky but Lockheed, the administration has shown that it has no faith in American business or American workers," she said.
Lockheed is not an American business and doesn't have American workers? Since when?

This isn't outsourcing vs. made in the USA. This is Connecticut vs. NY and Texas.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
"In awarding this contract not to Sikorsky but Lockheed, the administration has shown that it has no faith in American business or American workers," she said.
Lockheed is not an American business and doesn't have American workers? Since when?

This isn't outsourcing vs. made in the USA. This is Connecticut vs. NY and Texas.

Bell assembling the aircraft in Amarillo from components made in the United States, Italy and Britain.
 
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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
"In awarding this contract not to Sikorsky but Lockheed, the administration has shown that it has no faith in American business or American workers," she said.
Lockheed is not an American business and doesn't have American workers? Since when?

This isn't outsourcing vs. made in the USA. This is Connecticut vs. NY and Texas.

Bell assembling the aircraft in Amarillo from components made in the United States, Italy and Britain.
And?

Is someone trying to claim that Sikorsky would build an aircraft from components entirely made in the USA? If so, I call BS because I don't think it can be done. The US doesn't have the manufacturing capabiltilies any longer to do such a thing because so much US manufacturing has been put out of business due to cheap competition from abroad.

Most contracts such as these are sub-contracted out for piece part purchases in various foreign countries. I was a buyer in the 80s for a government contracting firm that built simulation devices for the military and it was standard practice back then. We constantly contracted part builds and raw materials from the UK, Italy, Japan, Israel, even China. I doubt things have changed one bit since then.
 

CaptnKirk

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Of course Sikorsky would have subcontracted parts out to Foriegn Vendors,
That's on of the conditions of the sourcing contract. Specific components are
supposed to be made by 'Foriegn BUsiness Partnership Groups'.

Mitisubishi in Japan and Ebarder in Brazil make parts for the S-92,
I don't see anyone starting a new multi-million dollar company to make
parts for just one single unit with selective spares.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Outsourcing Marine One is indefensable. :|

No, but hiring Osama bin Laden as the pilot is.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of his boys manages to get hired, they are afterall well trained, right here in the U.S. remember???

I bet all the brainwashed think it was Iraq "Insurgents" now thanks to the phoney War campaign as a diversion from the truth. Sad
 

dahunan

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That is what they get for voting for Kerry as President.... Cheney told them they would be punished if they voted for Kerry

Gotta keep those fatcat friends fed in Texas, eh Bush?
 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Outsourcing Marine One is indefensable. :|

Shirley you have to be happy about this. This is the ultimate plan of the right, it's working famously.
As opposed to the ultimate plan of the left, like Kerry's, which was to outsource our government decisions to the Europeans.

 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Outsourcing Marine One is indefensable. :|

Shirley you have to be happy about this. This is the ultimate plan of the right, it's working famously.
As opposed to the ultimate plan of the left, like Kerry's, which was to outsource our government decisions to the Europeans.

Ok, now it's official, you're a total and complete moron.
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Outsourcing Marine One is indefensable. :|

Shirley you have to be happy about this. This is the ultimate plan of the right, it's working famously.
As opposed to the ultimate plan of the left, like Kerry's, which was to outsource our government decisions to the Europeans.

you've completed jump out of this thread.
you original assertion was correct, the spokesman was the one complaining. and, of course, the spokesman would say something like "they dont trust american workers" in order to get sympathy and (probably) hope to reverse their decision.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Outsourcing Marine One is indefensable. :|

Shirley you have to be happy about this. This is the ultimate plan of the right, it's working famously.
As opposed to the ultimate plan of the left, like Kerry's, which was to outsource our government decisions to the Europeans.

Ok, now it's official, you're a total and complete moron.

Easy DH. Don't let BS like that get to you. Total BS since we'll never know since the Country is stuck with the same moron for 4 more years. We should've at least got a different Moron in Office so that maybe a BS staement like above would actually have any merit.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Outsourcing Marine One is indefensable. :|

Shirley you have to be happy about this. This is the ultimate plan of the right, it's working famously.
As opposed to the ultimate plan of the left, like Kerry's, which was to outsource our government decisions to the Europeans.
Too bad CsG's not around to play Off-Topic cop...but...how about sticking with the topic, eh?
 
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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Outsourcing Marine One is indefensable. :|

Shirley you have to be happy about this. This is the ultimate plan of the right, it's working famously.
As opposed to the ultimate plan of the left, like Kerry's, which was to outsource our government decisions to the Europeans.

Ok, now it's official, you're a total and complete moron.
Why is that? Do I reach moron status when I can spout hyperbole as good as you? In that case, I accept the award and I'm happy to be a member in good standing of the moron club with people like Darkhawk28.

 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Outsourcing Marine One is indefensable. :|

Shirley you have to be happy about this. This is the ultimate plan of the right, it's working famously.
As opposed to the ultimate plan of the left, like Kerry's, which was to outsource our government decisions to the Europeans.
Too bad CsG's not around to play Off-Topic cop...but...how about sticking with the topic, eh?
conjur, when you begin modding your toadies for starting off claims earlier in this thread about bin Laden, plans of the right, and insurgents, I might take that advice. Till then you have absolutely NO leg to stand on.

 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Outsourcing Marine One is indefensable. :|

Shirley you have to be happy about this. This is the ultimate plan of the right, it's working famously.
As opposed to the ultimate plan of the left, like Kerry's, which was to outsource our government decisions to the Europeans.

Ok, now it's official, you're a total and complete moron.

Tasteslikechicken has definitely had a complete break down lately... not that he was stellar to begin with but now there's no denying it.

 

EagleKeeper

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Sikorsky is hurting.

Loss of Marine One and the Comanchee last year is putting a nasty crimp in the defense business.
 
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Outsourcing Marine One is indefensable. :|

Shirley you have to be happy about this. This is the ultimate plan of the right, it's working famously.
As opposed to the ultimate plan of the left, like Kerry's, which was to outsource our government decisions to the Europeans.

Ok, now it's official, you're a total and complete moron.

Tasteslikechicken has definitely had a complete break down lately... not that he was stellar to begin with but now there's no denying it.
So says my personal ATP&N stalker.

More proof these guys are all about dissenting opinions, so long as you don't dissent with their opinion. And if you do they'll call you names in CAPITAL LETTERS!

Beware of the vicious liberal all caps attack. :laugh: