You have a teleportation device...

[NuclearNed]

The teleportation device works like this:
You put an object in the device, and it makes a map of the object at a molecular/atomic level. It then completely disintegrates the object, putting the object's matter in a local "matter store". Then it transmits the information contained in the map to another teleportation device at a distant location. Based on that information, the remote device reintegrates the object, using available matter in its local "matter store".

If such a device is used to teleport a person, is the person killed?

 

[Fritzo]

I hear those new online dating services can hook up just about anybody these days.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
The teleportation device works like this:
You put an object in the device, and it makes a map of the object at a molecular/atomic level. It then completely disintegrates the object, putting the object's matter in a local "matter store". Then it transmits the information contained in the map to another teleportation device at a distant location. Based on that information, the remote device reintegrates the object, using available matter in its local "matter store".

If such a device is used to teleport a person, is the person killed?

Does it transport the soul?

 

[Accipiter22]

no soul = Yes it kills them. also, we can't seem to find the physical place that memories are stored in the brain. So say we take apart a brain, and then rebuild it with new materials, identical to the first...there's no memories there.

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
The teleportation device works like this:
You put an object in the device, and it makes a map of the object at a molecular/atomic level. It then completely disintegrates the object, putting the object's matter in a local "matter store". Then it transmits the information contained in the map to another teleportation device at a distant location. Based on that information, the remote device reintegrates the object, using available matter in its local "matter store".

If such a device is used to teleport a person, is the person killed?

Does it transport the soul?

Thats a tricky question to answer. Does the soul exist, and if so can it be mapped and transmitted?

 

[Joemonkey]

The person would probably have to have his or her heart shocked to get it started again

 

[DurocShark]

That's mostly how the ST transporters work.

My question is: How could you not feel the pain during disintegration? Granted you won't have any memory of it since your pattern was mapped prior to disintegration, but that copy of you would still suffer.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
If such a device is used to teleport a person, is the person killed?

Depends, does this 'reintegration' device instantly reintegrate the entire body? Then no.

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
no soul = Yes it kills them. also, we can't seem to find the physical place that memories are stored in the brain. So say we take apart a brain, and then rebuild it with new materials, identical to the first...there's no memories there.

Your brain cells were obviously idle when you wrote this. If the specimen is regenerated exactly, why would it be our concern where memory is stored?

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Thats a tricky question to answer.

No it's not, I'll be happy to answer it for you. If the soul; whatever you believe this could be is physical matter it will be re-created, if it's not then it doesn't exist.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Thats a tricky question to answer.

No it's not, I'll be happy to answer it for you. If the soul; whatever you believe this could be is physical matter it will be re-created, if it's not then it doesn't exist.

Doesnt energy exist in different states? Isnt light actually considered energy and matter?

Whats to say your soul exists in a state which would not allow it to be transported?

 

[Kelemvor]

I'm sure the soul is smart enough to know where the body went and it will go back and attach itself.

Otherwise everyoen in Star Trek would die multiple times aevery episode. heh.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Is this a test to see who watched "How William Shatner Changed the World" last night?

In order to separate the atoms you'd first have to heat the person to thousands of degrees or something crazy.

Even if you could digitalize their atoms into bytes to be recreated later, it would take a stack of 100gb harddrives piled up from Earth to 1/3 of the way through the Milky Way galaxy to hold all the info just for one person.

 

[jiwq]

Sorry, your soul is gone from existence. Consciousness ceases. But at least you have an evil twin walking around!

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
The teleportation device works like this:
You put an object in the device, and it makes a map of the object at a molecular/atomic level. It then completely disintegrates the object, putting the object's matter in a local "matter store". Then it transmits the information contained in the map to another teleportation device at a distant location. Based on that information, the remote device reintegrates the object, using available matter in its local "matter store".

If such a device is used to teleport a person, is the person killed?

that is not teleportation.

teleportation is the actual transfer of those particles to another location and then reassembled back into their correct form.

And that is how the transporter on StarTrek actually works.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH
Even if you could digitalize their atoms into bytes to be recreated later, it would take a stack of 100gb harddrives piled up from Earth to 1/3 of the way through the Milky Way galaxy to hold all the info just for one person.

I've told you a million times, stop exaggerating!!

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
If such a device is used to teleport a person, is the person killed?

Depends, does this 'reintegration' device instantly reintegrate the entire body? Then no.

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
no soul = Yes it kills them. also, we can't seem to find the physical place that memories are stored in the brain. So say we take apart a brain, and then rebuild it with new materials, identical to the first...there's no memories there.

Your brain cells were obviously idle when you wrote this. If the specimen is regenerated exactly, why would it be our concern where memory is stored?

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Thats a tricky question to answer.

No it's not, I'll be happy to answer it for you. If the soul; whatever you believe this could be is physical matter it will be re-created, if it's not then it doesn't exist.

I don't believe in a soul, but that is an ignorant statement.

IF we can not prove the soul yet, how do you know what type of energy the soul is and properties that energy has? Without knowing that how you actually say what will happen?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: RichardE
I don't believe in a soul, but that is an ignorant statement.

IF we can not prove the soul yet, how do you know what type of energy the soul is and properties that energy has? Without knowing that how you actually say what will happen?

Do you believe in things we cannot explain? The supernatural?
Say, ghosts? Or voodoo magic?

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Thats a tricky question to answer.

No it's not, I'll be happy to answer it for you. If the soul; whatever you believe this could be is physical matter it will be re-created, if it's not then it doesn't exist.

Doesnt energy exist in different states? Isnt light actually considered energy and matter?

Whats to say your soul exists in a state which would not allow it to be transported?

The 'soul' by it's traditional and unreasonable biblical definition doesn't exist. Not anymore than a spaghetti monster or a mexican university graduate.

If it exists in another state of energy then we have a problem, but that's an unreasonable assumption to be made to begin with.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: RichardE
I don't believe in a soul, but that is an ignorant statement.

IF we can not prove the soul yet, how do you know what type of energy the soul is and properties that energy has? Without knowing that how you actually say what will happen?

Do you believe in things we cannot explain? The supernatural?
Say, ghosts? Or voodoo magic?

No. Same as I do not believe in god, a supernatural being ect. Everything can be scientifically explained, it is only a matter of time until we can.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: RichardE
I don't believe in a soul, but that is an ignorant statement.

IF we can not prove the soul yet, how do you know what type of energy the soul is and properties that energy has? Without knowing that how you actually say what will happen?

Do you believe in things we cannot explain? The supernatural?
Say, ghosts? Or voodoo magic?

No. Same as I do not believe in god, a supernatural being ect. Everything can be scientifically explained, it is only a matter of time until we can.

Then how do you explain the unexplainable? How do you explain peoples stories of ghosts, or peoples sightings of "UOF's" or experiences with magic?

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
If such a device is used to teleport a person, is the person killed?

Depends, does this 'reintegration' device instantly reintegrate the entire body? Then no.

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
no soul = Yes it kills them. also, we can't seem to find the physical place that memories are stored in the brain. So say we take apart a brain, and then rebuild it with new materials, identical to the first...there's no memories there.

Your brain cells were obviously idle when you wrote this. If the specimen is regenerated exactly, why would it be our concern where memory is stored?

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Thats a tricky question to answer.

No it's not, I'll be happy to answer it for you. If the soul; whatever you believe this could be is physical matter it will be re-created, if it's not then it doesn't exist.

I don't believe in a soul, but that is an ignorant statement.

IF we can not prove the soul yet, how do you know what type of energy the soul is and properties that energy has? Without knowing that how you actually say what will happen?

I can make a good prediction based on old fashioned logic. We cannot 'prove' the soul because there is no soul to prove, doesn't take a mathematician to put two and two together.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
The 'soul' by it's traditional and unreasonable biblical definition doesn't exist. Not anymore than a spaghetti monster or a mexican university graduate.

If it exists in another state of energy then we have a problem, but that's an unreasonable assumption to be made to begin with.

So if we cant see it or measure it now then it doesnt exist?
Arent mathematical formulas and scientific understandings changing daily? It seems unreasonable to me to assume because we cant measure it today that it means it doesnt exist. Look at how science has changed.
They used to use leaches on people.
They used to think the world was flat.
They used to think the world was the center of the universe.

Our understanding of the world around us is constantly changing.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
If such a device is used to teleport a person, is the person killed?

Depends, does this 'reintegration' device instantly reintegrate the entire body? Then no.

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
no soul = Yes it kills them. also, we can't seem to find the physical place that memories are stored in the brain. So say we take apart a brain, and then rebuild it with new materials, identical to the first...there's no memories there.

Your brain cells were obviously idle when you wrote this. If the specimen is regenerated exactly, why would it be our concern where memory is stored?

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
Thats a tricky question to answer.

No it's not, I'll be happy to answer it for you. If the soul; whatever you believe this could be is physical matter it will be re-created, if it's not then it doesn't exist.

I don't believe in a soul, but that is an ignorant statement.

IF we can not prove the soul yet, how do you know what type of energy the soul is and properties that energy has? Without knowing that how you actually say what will happen?

I can make a good prediction based on old fashioned logic. We cannot 'prove' the soul because there is no soul to prove, doesn't take a mathematician to put two and two together.

There are alot of things that we could not prove that have been proven through the course of history. It is ignorant to assume it never will, if anything science has taught us, is that there is always a chance of it.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH
Even if you could digitalize their atoms into bytes to be recreated later, it would take a stack of 100gb harddrives piled up from Earth to 1/3 of the way through the Milky Way galaxy to hold all the info just for one person.

I've told you a million times, stop exaggerating!!

Haha I was just quoting Capn Kirk

It was interesting to find out however that Data listening to music on the ship's computer made Apple realize they should put music on the MacII. Something we all just take for granted.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: RichardE
I don't believe in a soul, but that is an ignorant statement.

IF we can not prove the soul yet, how do you know what type of energy the soul is and properties that energy has? Without knowing that how you actually say what will happen?

Do you believe in things we cannot explain? The supernatural?
Say, ghosts? Or voodoo magic?

No. Same as I do not believe in god, a supernatural being ect. Everything can be scientifically explained, it is only a matter of time until we can.

Then how do you explain the unexplainable? How do you explain peoples stories of ghosts, or peoples sightings of "UOF's" or experiences with magic?

As I just said....

Everything can be explained scientifically...

Can I explain it? No, but I have no doubt if someone spent the time and effort too, they could.

 

[NuclearNed]

It seems to me that the device I described is merely making an extremely detailed map of a physical object, then copying it.

I see three cases:
1) the "soul" actually exists and somehow is part of the physicality of the body

In this case, the machine maps the soul, then destroys the soul of the person being teleported. Shortly afterwards, it creates a new soul in the reintegrated being. So the person being teleported is killed, although a new person (an exact copy of the original) is running around thinking that he is the original person.

2) the "soul" exists, but is supernatural and doesn't rely on the physicality of the body

In this case, the soul isn't copied. Since it is supernatural, there is no way to transport it to the new body. So the person being teleported is killed. It is impossible to say if the "reintegrated" person is alive or even capable of life without a soul.

3) the "soul" doesn't exist.

In this case, the physicality of the body is copied exactly, and the original person is disintegrated, killing him. An exact copy of the person is created, and spends the rest of its life thinking that it is the original person.