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You guys won't believe this... (I installed an ATI Card)

Megatomic

Megatomic

Lifer
For Father's Day I picked out a Radeon 9600 Pro. Retail and built by ATI. I installed the card with the Catalyst 3.4 drivers from the ATI website and the control panel. This is not a clean install of Windows, I just pulled my GF4 Ti 4800SE. So far AGP8X, Fast Writes, and USB 2.0 are all working happily together. I have run Comanche 4 benchmark with no lockups. No gaming yet but that is next.

By the way, I like this 9600 Pro better than my 9500 Pro already. It is small, has a tiny, quiet (almost silent hsf), and it plays nice with my nForce2 motherboard so far. The card itself is green and matches my 8RDA+ in hue and shade exactly. 🙂 And my desktop is quite vibrant. I can see some flickering in the white background of IE but I think it is probably my Samsung 955DF, I saw that even with my GF4 cards it just wasn't this pronounced. Any fix for that?

I'll report back more later.
 
well, I too had no problems at all. uninstall GF4's drivers - >pull it out -> insert radeon -> install cat 3.2 (was a few months ago) and it all worked well. didn't even use detonator destroyer because it didn't recognize my GF4 hehe.

BTW, you bought yourself a present? well, er, happy fathers day 😀
 
Same for me on my Abit KT7A motherboard with GF2 Drivers still installed (Radeon 8500LE).

Worked perfectly for me and was very impressed indeed with the overall perfomance 🙂

Moved the card to my ECS K7S5A and it was somewhat troublesome - eventually it was discovered that the Radeon did not work properly in 3D apps on the ECS board - reverted to GF2 and no problem.

Now running a GF4 Ti 4200 on the ECS board (no problems) but for whatever reason the Radeon will not work in 3D on it 🙁
Pity - cos I like the Radeon 8500 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Harabecw
BTW, you bought yourself a present? well, er, happy fathers day 😀
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My wife knows better than to try to do this on her own. I have the regular Father's Day gifts from the kids coming tomorrow so it will still be a regular day of presents and happiness.

Oh and on Monday I get to order a AXP Barton 2500+ for myself, too. 😎
 
Originally posted by: Megatomic
By the way, I like this 9600 Pro better than my 9500 Pro already. It is small, has a tiny, quiet (almost silent hsf),
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Could you elaborate on that one a little more? I've been looking at the two (and will probably be buying one or the other) and it seems that the 9600pro is just a little cheaper and doesn't quite perform as well. Does the 9500pro take significantly more power?

Also does any one have any comments on a Sapphire card as opposed to a built-by-ati card? They're generally cheaper where I am but are there any driver/performance/reliability issues?
 
Sapphire makes ATi's cards (well, at least the OEM for sure).

The 9600 Pro doesnt perform as well as the 9500 Pro, however the 9600Pro has some serious overclocking potential. There have been users going over 500mhz on the core.
 
Originally posted by: Ctkelly
Sapphire makes ATi's cards (well, at least the OEM for sure).

The 9600 Pro doesnt perform as well as the 9500 Pro, however the 9600Pro has some serious overclocking potential. There have been users going over 500mhz on the core.
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check out hardocp.com and search for the 9600 pro

oc'ed like crazy on the stock hs/f; impressive to see the oc numbers if nothing else
 
I realize that sapphire makes cards based on ati chips (that's what you mean right ctkelly?). Here's what's on my local shop's site:
ATI Radeon 9500 Pro 128MB DDR $294
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB DDR $259
Sapphire ATI Radeon 9500 Pro 128MB DDR OEM $253
Is there going to be any real difference between, say, the first and third one? (These are canandian prices, btw)
 
I can never understand all the problems people have getting a video card to work. I have gone from nVidia to Ati and back and forth more times than I can count. Did the same in 3dfx days too. Un-install the drivers, yank the card, put the new one in and install new drivers. No fancy driver cleaner or clean OS install. Never had a problem. Its really not that hard.
 
Sapphire produces the actual GPU for ATI I believe, they might manufacture the actual 'Built-by-ATI' cards as well, I'm not entirely clear on this.

Some of the sapphires are clocked lower than stock speeds (~10/15+mhz), but on the other hand they are supposed to have excellent memory chips on them (I want to say mine has samsung chips) which are good for OC'ing. I have a Radeon9000Pro 128mb by Sapphire, I replaced the tiny stock HSF with a low-profile CPU one. The thing was OC'd 335/320, had no in 3dmark2001SE, and the heat sink was cool to the touch. I didn't want to push it any farther tho, my mobo's temp reporting is retarded, so I'm waiting until I get my digidoc to OC more.
 
Originally posted by: kamper
Originally posted by: Megatomic
By the way, I like this 9600 Pro better than my 9500 Pro already. It is small, has a tiny, quiet (almost silent hsf),
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Could you elaborate on that one a little more? I've been looking at the two (and will probably be buying one or the other) and it seems that the 9600pro is just a little cheaper and doesn't quite perform as well. Does the 9500pro take significantly more power?

Also does any one have any comments on a Sapphire card as opposed to a built-by-ati card? They're generally cheaper where I am but are there any driver/performance/reliability issues?
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Well, the 9500 Pro has a full sized hsf on it that makes as much noise as my GF4 cards do. This 9600 Pro has a very small hsf on it and it is virtually silent. I can't begin to tell you how tickled I was when I fired up this system for the first time with the 9600 Pro. All I can hear is the case fans in the back and they are quiet too.

As for power, the 9600 Pro doesn't need or have an external power connector. I just plugged the card into the AGP slot and that was it. So I'd say yeah, it has a lower power requirement. I have a 400W Antec psu so power isn't an issue for me, but it's nice to know that I'm not pulling all the juice I was with the 9500 Pro installed.
 
Originally posted by: bluemax
On ATI.com's site right now, Radeon 9600 Pro retail, $199US w/ free shipping.
Not bad. 🙂
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I remember you saying that were going to be getting one of these cards. Did you get one yet? If you haven't, these cards are great.
 
This may be a stupid question, I don't know: Obviously these newer cards are designed to run with AGP8X but will they also go back as far as 2X? For at least a few months I will have to use one of these cards in an older machine.
 
hmmm, thanks for the pointer. But to me that implies 4X/8X only. Especially since the 9500 page said 2X/4X/8X...
 
It might also be an oversight. I would hazard a guess that most motherboards in service right now are AGP 4X/8X. Certainly any new motherboards are... Can you check your board's documentation to see what it's AGP specs are? You never know, you might get lucky.
 
hey, whadya know? It says 4X/2X modes at 1.5V! Maybe the 9600 would be my best bet considering that it has to live in this for a while. Dell has this little problem where they don't think you'll ever need more that 250W and one fan (that's case and cpu!)
 
You can probably get away with running a 9600 in that dell, I've got a 9500pro in an ecs k7s5a

If the motherboard will support 4x then you should be able to put an 8x/4x card in there without much problem.

And those power supplies are supposed to be quite conservative as far as power ratings go.

I believe that the 9600's also use less power compared to the 9500 too (and don't require the use of a power connector from the supply)
 
Megatomic, re: the flickering whites, what refresh rate is your monitor runnig at?

yak8998: Sapphire doesn't make GPU's, they only assemble whole cards. ATi uses TMSC [sic?] for their R3xx cores, and I believe ATi pays Sapphire to make Built by ATi cards for ATi to sell retail. Sapphire also (obviously) sells their own cards, marked as Powered by ATi, but they're marked as OEM cards--perhaps they're not allowed to sell in the Retail sector per their agreement with ATi, or perhaps they're just not interested/ready to break into the NA market as a retail presence.
 
Pete, I run my screen at 1152x864x32 @ 85Hz. The flickering is only barely evident with the NVidia cards and it is somewhat more noticeable with a Radeon installed. So far I have seen this with a 9500 Pro, a 9700 Pro, and now with a 9600 Pro.

kamper, with a low wattage PSU this 9600 Pro is perfect for you. It is small, quiet, and requires only a moderate amount of power. Even the fan on it is small (drawing low current).
 
Yeah, all the signs seem to point that way. I just keep on thinking about what Anand said when he did the 9600 reviews: if you can get your hands on a 9500 do it. The fact that it's similarly priced and higher performing (supposedly, I'm not one to talk authoritatively) is kinda tempting.
 
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