You guys win

[Maleficus]

I will probably just avoid the PC Gaming forum altogether, everyone that hates me around these parts can rejoice.

I have moderators threatening to give me the title of thief for my opinions so I guess that's when it's time to throw in the towel.

Truthfully I am saddened by the way things appear to be handled.

Have fun, and be careful what you say.

Congrats Chizow

Also, just for the record, I always have, and always will advocate the purchasing of quality software. Vote with your wallet, buy the good games, leave the crap on the shelves, do your research before you buy a game.

This thread is not a valid PC Gaming topic.
-Schadenfroh (AT Mod)

 

[TidusZ]

whether your right or wrong, when your pushing your ideas on people who dont wanna hear it you are no better than a jehovahs witness waking me up at 10am to peddle his/her flyers. I am quite flexible in the piracy vs purchase dept myself, but I don't come here and advertise torrent sites or explain why doing this and that is morally correct. You can't be surprised when people slam the door in your face, they just don't wanna hear it, and whose to really blame them.

 

[9mak9]

people have a right to say I don't have the money, or I think games are too expensive so its hard to purchase them. But as long as they don't say; go here and download pirated games people are allowed to express their opinion.

I also think that he has no grounds for accusation; whether you do or not I have not seen you openly say "I pirate"

 

[Canai]

I love how people can talk about taking illegal drugs or driving drunk, yet can't discuss piracy from both sides of the issue.

Originally posted by: TidusZ
whether your right or wrong, when your pushing your ideas on people who dont wanna hear it you are no better than a jehovahs witness waking me up at 10am to peddle his/her flyers. I am quite flexible in the piracy vs purchase dept myself, but I don't come here and advertise torrent sites or explain why doing this and that is morally correct. You can't be surprised when people slam the door in your face, they just don't wanna hear it, and whose to really blame them.

So what about all the people forcing the 'pirates are criminals' view on us? They've been pushing their ideas far more than the pro-piracy folk.

Originally posted by: 9mak9
people have a right to say I don't have the money, or I think games are too expensive so its hard to purchase them. But as long as they don't say; go here and download pirated games people are allowed to express their opinion.

I also think that he has no grounds for accusation; whether you do or not I have not seen you openly say "I pirate"

I've heard differently from the mods.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Canai
I love how people can talk about taking illegal drugs or driving drunk, yet can't discuss piracy from both sides of the issue.

Baby steps, my friend Baby steps. Mature conversation is slowly seeping its way into these forums. We'll get there!

If I were a mod, I'd slap around everybody who assists others in pirating. That being said, I don't see what just talking about it, your own views, and why or why not you do what you do (whether it's piracy or legit purchases or a combination of both) wouldn't be allowed.

The edit I got was pretty diplomatic, though, which was nice

 

[9mak9]

Well I haven't read 'everything' so maybe my opinion shouldn't count; but piracy (justified or not) has become one of the biggest if not the biggest POI in the gaming industry and should be openly discussed by any type of gamers, and people who make the games. I think people should be allowed to express their opinions on the matter and it should be discussed in the context of ways to fix the industry. I think the hardcore gamers should have their voices heard more by the people that makes the games; were are the consumers and what we want in a game is very important.

I know its an industry and its all about making money to EA, Activision, etc. but its something more to the gamers and most of these companies don't seem to understand that. They make less quality games for more money and in these times its hard to afford. I have never pirated a video game; so I am not condoning that but 5-6 years ago I would buy a game a month almost. The past 2 years I have probably bought 5-6 games with 1 or 2 full priced (the others on amazon and used).

I think things like DRM go to far, but there should be other ways to fix this problem.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: 9mak9
I think things like DRM go to far, but there should be other ways to fix this problem.

Yep, and since we pretty much can only hear from the pro-DRM / anti-piracy side of the issue, nothing will come of it.

If the anti-pirates would get of their high fucking horses and listen to why people pirate and address those issues, well now, that might be something. But since pirates are trash and criminals and not fit to voice their opinions, we're kinda stuck.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: 9mak9
I think things like DRM go to far, but there should be other ways to fix this problem.

Yep, and since we pretty much can only hear from the pro-DRM / anti-piracy side of the issue, nothing will come of it.

If the anti-pirates would get of their high fucking horses and listen to why people pirate and address those issues, well now, that might be something. But since pirates are trash and criminals and not fit to voice their opinions, we're kinda stuck.

Shame isnt it. They assume if you pirate 1 game you are as bad as those that pirate every game which simply isnt true.

 

[CKent]

Eh, don't let the PC gaming mods get you down. Keep in mind that Schadenfroh is as great a mod as Oakenfold is terrible, so it all balances out. I'm guessing it was the latter who made such a puerile threat as the title change, yes?

 

[9mak9]

Originally posted by: Maximilian

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: 9mak9
I think things like DRM go to far, but there should be other ways to fix this problem.

Yep, and since we pretty much can only hear from the pro-DRM / anti-piracy side of the issue, nothing will come of it.

If the anti-pirates would get of their high fucking horses and listen to why people pirate and address those issues, well now, that might be something. But since pirates are trash and criminals and not fit to voice their opinions, we're kinda stuck.

Shame isnt it. They assume if you pirate 1 game you are as bad as those that pirate every game which simply isnt true.

Yup, I have never pirated a game, but if things continue the way they are, will i do it? I cannot be sure.

My friend did pirate 1 game, only 1 because he really wanted it and since he lost his job and has a kid, I cannot fault him, I'm sorry.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: CKent
Eh, don't let the PC gaming mods get you down. Keep in mind that Schadenfroh is as great a mod as Oakenfold is terrible, so it all balances out. I'm guessing it was the latter who made such a puerile threat as the title change, yes?

If you have a bone to pick with the mods, do it in the right forum.

P.S. I have no problem with either Oakenfield, whose been very helpful, or Schadenfroh, whom I didn't know was a mod.

 

[Maleficus]

Originally posted by: TidusZ
whether your right or wrong, when your pushing your ideas on people who dont wanna hear it you are no better than a jehovahs witness waking me up at 10am to peddle his/her flyers. I am quite flexible in the piracy vs purchase dept myself, but I don't come here and advertise torrent sites or explain why doing this and that is morally correct. You can't be surprised when people slam the door in your face, they just don't wanna hear it, and whose to really blame them.

I think I have made 2 threads in PC gaming, I really only respond to threads people create and I stay on topic.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: CKent
Eh, don't let the PC gaming mods get you down. Keep in mind that Schadenfroh is as great a mod as Oakenfold is terrible, so it all balances out. I'm guessing it was the latter who made such a puerile threat as the title change, yes?

What I was told came from the top, but is not what the higher mods are saying now. I hope we get some clarification in the PFI thread, since I got warnings and a vacation for using specific games as examples to back points I was making.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: Canai
So what about all the people forcing the 'pirates are criminals' view on us? They've been pushing their ideas far more than the pro-piracy folk.

Piracy is a crime, so that makes pirates criminals. It is a pretty logical progression there that should be pretty easy to comprehend.

If a member of this forum is telling people to commit crimes (which I don't know, because I always avoid reading Maleficus' posts anyway), then I am pretty sure that is against the forum rules. It may even be against the law, but I am by no means a legal expert.

The fact that people steal video games just seems like pure selfishness to me. It isn't a base need by any means, so being too expensive is no excuse. You won't starve or freeze to death because you aren't playing a game on your computer. That is why I say, and always will say that pirates are douchebags. They are hurting the developer and the people who actually purchase the software (since they have to deal with DRM due to the developer trying to stop piracy) only for their own enjoyment. I cannot condone that.

 

[TidusZ]

On a related note, I was thinking today that games are priced pretty fairly, but bluray movies on the otherhand are so overpriced that I'd only ever buy my absolute favorite stuff, like maybe 1 per year.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: Canai
So what about all the people forcing the 'pirates are criminals' view on us? They've been pushing their ideas far more than the pro-piracy folk.

Piracy is a crime, so that makes pirates criminals. It is a pretty logical progression there that should be pretty easy to comprehend.

If a member of this forum is telling people to commit crimes (which I don't know, because I always avoid reading Maleficus' posts anyway), then I am pretty sure that is against the forum rules. It may even be against the law, but I am by no means a legal expert.

The fact that people steal video games just seems like pure selfishness to me. It isn't a base need by any means, so being too expensive is no excuse. You won't starve or freeze to death because you aren't playing a game on your computer. That is why I say, and always will say that pirates are douchebags. They are hurting the developer and the people who actually purchase the software (since they have to deal with DRM due to the developer trying to stop piracy) only for their own enjoyment. I cannot condone that.

So why is it that I can go make a thread in OT about taking bong rips or dropping acid or tell the story about "man, I was too drunk to drive but I had to get taco bell" or something similar? Those activities are illegal, moreso than piracy. Some of the posts even border on instructional.

You've made several blanket assumptions that are incorrect, and you are unwilling to even look at the other side of the issue.

 

[zerocool84]

/lawnchair

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: Canai
So why is it that I can go make a thread in OT about taking bong rips or dropping acid or tell the story about "man, I was too drunk to drive but I had to get taco bell" or something similar? Those activities are illegal, moreso than piracy. Some of the posts even border on instructional.

You've made several blanket assumptions that are incorrect, and you are unwilling to even look at the other side of the issue.

Care to elaborate?

About the OT part, I don't read or post in Off Topic, so I don't know what you are talking about. Even so, it is labeled "off topic", so you would expect random stuff to be posted there. You wouldn't expect that here.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: Canai
So why is it that I can go make a thread in OT about taking bong rips or dropping acid or tell the story about "man, I was too drunk to drive but I had to get taco bell" or something similar? Those activities are illegal, moreso than piracy. Some of the posts even border on instructional.

You've made several blanket assumptions that are incorrect, and you are unwilling to even look at the other side of the issue.

Care to elaborate?

About the OT part, I don't read or post in Off Topic, so I don't know what you are talking about. Even so, it is labeled "off topic", so you would expect random stuff to be posted there. You wouldn't expect that here.

I was making a comparison between postings about two different, yet equally illegal things. I don't really want to elaborate until we get a clear message about what is and is not allowed, but I think reading some of the many posts you have previously avoided reading may be a good start.

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: Canai
So what about all the people forcing the 'pirates are criminals' view on us? They've been pushing their ideas far more than the pro-piracy folk.

Piracy is a crime, so that makes pirates criminals. It is a pretty logical progression there that should be pretty easy to comprehend.

If a member of this forum is telling people to commit crimes (which I don't know, because I always avoid reading Maleficus' posts anyway), then I am pretty sure that is against the forum rules. It may even be against the law, but I am by no means a legal expert.

The fact that people steal video games just seems like pure selfishness to me. It isn't a base need by any means, so being too expensive is no excuse. You won't starve or freeze to death because you aren't playing a game on your computer. That is why I say, and always will say that pirates are douchebags. They are hurting the developer and the people who actually purchase the software (since they have to deal with DRM due to the developer trying to stop piracy) only for their own enjoyment. I cannot condone that.

So why is it that I can go make a thread in OT about taking bong rips or dropping acid or tell the story about "man, I was too drunk to drive but I had to get taco bell" or something similar? Those activities are illegal, moreso than piracy. Some of the posts even border on instructional.

You've made several blanket assumptions that are incorrect, and you are unwilling to even look at the other side of the issue.

It's easier to despise someone who contributes to the destruction of something we really care about. You getting drunk or taking acid doesn't directly affect us, so we don't give a damn.