You guys should read this...

[Keysplayr]

MoveAMD.com

AMD may be trying to add a location near a very sensitive area.
I like AMD product guys, but you should read, and then sign the petition if you agree with it. I know that all big corporations only see the bottom line. But this move really needs to be stopped. AMD can just as well build somewhere else.

I'm no tree hugger, but I hate to see something beautiful destroyed.

 

[Hacp]

They should be worried more about Bush's Oil drilling in Alaska...... ( Plz no flame war)

 

[Viditor]

Actually, this group has been protesting AMD for quite a while...most people in Austin that I know (including one Intel employee) call them crackpots. I certainly wouldn't take this at face value...

 

[Furen]

Hmmm... let's see...

AMD had an enviromental citation in 1992... guess what? It was resolved one way or another almost a decade ago.

AMD's traffic studies are not accurate... I would hardly consider google maps the most accurate source for traffic studies, but whatever.

AMD's move will hurt schools... this is the most retarded argument ever. If AMD moves the city's revenues will fall and property prices will fall as well. Is AMD supposed to keep the whole damn town alive? They claim that AMD spinning off Spansion may lead to Spansion closing plants? Spansion has been a sinkhole for AMD's revenues. If they get a tax break to keep the plant operating the school district will lose cash? They're a goddam business not a freaking charity.

AMD's CEO is an evil evil man who doesnt keep his word... and that, of course, has nothing to do with AMD's move except for the fact that it's CEO is the devil incarnate so he probably wants to move to the Aquifer so he can poison the world more readily.

I find most of these arguments rather childish. The Lantana tract is exempt from whatever conservation ordinances they have, so the city and its citizens (if they truly care) would have to enact legislation that prohibits AMD's actions, which they probably wont since they consider the benefit greater than the risk. Environmentalism is good and all but taken to the extreme it inhibit progress. Examples of this are the nuclear powerplant restrictions here in the US. We cant build nuclear power plants to make cheap power because of radioactive waste and the possibility of nuclear meltdowns, so instead we burn fossil fuels to get our power. We pay more for the power, contaminate the enviroment just as badly, if not worse, and we experience power shortages... yeah that's great.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Hacp
They should be worried more about Bush's Oil drilling in Alaska...... ( Plz no flame war)

Equal concern should go to Bush's oil drilling in Alaska. But this subject is about AMD's move to Austin.

Viditor: Crackpots? for wanting to preserve something that is dear to them, they are called crackpots? I guess people don't care what AMD does as long as they keep churning out great products. I mean, it's a given that the semiconductor fab business produces pollutants and contaminates as by products. Is AMD planning to put a Fab Plant there? or just offices? At any rate, the corporate world has wrecked the earth enough as it is.
Anyway, I'm not here to dispute anyone's opinions. Just to let you read for yourselves and get what you want out of it.

/cheers

 

[Furen]

Offices, I believe. Their argument is that the construction MAY pollute the area and that the economic boom that will occur in the area will lead to better roads needing to be built, more housing, etc (basically economic growth for the area).

 

[RoosterKooster]

Why aren't the tree huggers where they are NEEDED? They select a forum for the visibility factor, not for the passion.

The Pearl River Mississippi has been devestated by a paper mill in Monticello, Mississippi for about 40 years. Silt, wood fiber and God knows what chemicals have turned the river into a hideous existance. In the summer, when shallow, it is rust brown in color - from the contamination, not from mud!

The Pearl River flows southward to the Gulf of Mexico and passes by the cities of Columbia, MS; Bogalusa, LA.

Tree huggers, go now to where you are needed!

 

[Viditor]

keys...

I just repeat what I've heard...
Not all environmental causes are equal. Frankly, what I've heard from most of the folks that live in the area (those that I know anyway) is basically what Furen posted...

Nonetheless, I in no way intended to make it a dig at you, mate! It's good to get info like this, it's just that from what I hear these guys are distorting and overblowing all of the facts..

Cheers!

 

[Maximilian]

Well maybe if i liked living in a nice little quiet town like the waltons place, and i wanted it to stay that way i would be doing the same thing... But i dont If they got Amd to pull out then theyre just delaying the inevitable, construction is human progress and theyre just gonna have to deal with it.

Ive never seen Amd be portrayed as the baddies before...

 

[theMan]

if they are just building offices, im find with it, as long as they dont destroy or fill in a giant wetland or something, like walmart did where i live.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: RoosterKooster
Why aren't the tree huggers where they are NEEDED? They select a forum for the visibility factor, not for the passion.

The Pearl River Mississippi has been devestated by a paper mill in Monticello, Mississippi for about 40 years. Silt, wood fiber and God knows what chemicals have turned the river into a hideous existance. In the summer, when shallow, it is rust brown in color - from the contamination, not from mud!

The Pearl River flows southward to the Gulf of Mexico and passes by the cities of Columbia, MS; Bogalusa, LA.

Tree huggers, go now to where you are needed!

Ya thats what I meant with my previous post. The Environmentalists should worry about bigger issues, and not hassle AMD.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Hacp
They should be worried more about Bush's Oil drilling in Alaska...... ( Plz no flame war)

Equal concern should go to Bush's oil drilling in Alaska. But this subject is about AMD's move to Austin.

Viditor: Crackpots? for wanting to preserve something that is dear to them, they are called crackpots? I guess people don't care what AMD does as long as they keep churning out great products. I mean, it's a given that the semiconductor fab business produces pollutants and contaminates as by products. Is AMD planning to put a Fab Plant there? or just offices? At any rate, the corporate world has wrecked the earth enough as it is.
Anyway, I'm not here to dispute anyone's opinions. Just to let you read for yourselves and get what you want out of it.

/cheers

I see no problem with it...We are only getting one side of the story...I would perfer them build near the best transportation routes, but a company that needs to expand and have the ability to do so is also important to the vitality of the city. If they give them to much grief they should just move out of the Austin area altogether....

As for the bush plan to drill....You flippin idiots!!! That has been planned by presidents for many of years. It may actually be that one thing that can alleviate our dependency on foreign oil as we start pushing for development of other fuel sources. It is reasons like this we have to have such a strong presence in the middle east in terms of strategic interest. Otherwise we could sit back and let that religion "of peace" who degrades women, has a culture that acts like it is 700AD, and has been killing each other and other religions for years destroy themselves. They cant get along with anyone anywhere in the world...Phillipines, Indonesia, India/Pakistan, breakaway soviet states, north Africa...and on and on and on.....I would love to not care about them at all and let them rot in the desert....


As for the tree huggers. I am a conservationist as much as the next guy but come from a state of radical environmentalist. We in Oregonn have only built on 3% of the total land of the state of Oregon yet to environmentalist that is too much. they would like to see the whole state one big national park preserve. They care little about ppl, jobs and the economy. Maany of them are children of rich modern day robber barons who have bilked mommy and daddy for years going to one college after another collecting degrees like coupons on sunday to denounce everything that has allowed them to get where they are today.

In Portland we have an UGB (urban Growth Boundary)....it was devised by liberal planners of the past to help stop urban sprawl that has plagued many of the western states. In the most part it has worked. Unfortunately it has worked to lock up sooo much land and leave small supplies of it available that it arbitrarily increases land prices and has made the portland metropolitan area the 2nd or 3rd most expensive place to buy a home in the US...Now go figure we are not the 2nd or 3rd state for the highest median home income (more like in the 30's) and youu can see the desperate problem.

there can be a balance in everything.....in planning, conservation, preservation, and yes even building jobs and the economy....as well as for drilling in Alaska....


The funny thing is the tree huggers use all these things they despise....electricity for computers, tons of paper for fliers, computer products that come from the businesses they are trying to force out of their communities , etc....


Oh by the way to the "tree hugger" radical environmentalist "ALL" areas are vital and sensitive....if you give them an inch they will run for a mile and try to lock everything up..then they can force us to buy all of our technology from other countries as well as our steel, lumber, chemicals, other raw materials, etc....So we can be even more dependent upon others...hey thanks!!! Go you smoke your clothes!!!

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Being a native Texan I am very familiar with the Barton Springs area, it is a beautiful area and I have vactioned there many times. But it is by no means a national treasure or even critical to the central texas water supply or eco environment. It is a popular resort area with many natural springs and clearwater recreational and swimming areas. I have no doubt that AMD will respect and probably enhance the esthetic value of the area, and their procedures for proper disposal of any production byproducts would remain unchanged. I'm pretty sure FAB25 will stay where it is currently located and this new development is for offices and research facilities so the only real environmental impact would be from construction and added traffic to the area. I actually think this will be a good thing for Austin.

 

[Killrose]

Well I guess AMD could just go ahead and build the plant in China :roll: just be happy they are building it somewhere here in the USA!

 

[microAmp]

Originally posted by: Killrose
Well I guess AMD could just go ahead and build the plant in China :roll: just be happy they are building it somewhere here in the USA!

It's office buildings not a plant being built in Austin. Austin already blew that chance with Fab 36

The land is already owned by city of Austin for business devlopment, if AMD wasn't moving there someone else will and the site would be www.move(company).com

 

[Markfw]

Good post Duvie !!!!

 

[Lyfer]

If this move brings down prices of there cpu's even more, then, LETS Gtter DONE!

 

[saechaka]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Hacp
They should be worried more about Bush's Oil drilling in Alaska...... ( Plz no flame war)

Equal concern should go to Bush's oil drilling in Alaska. But this subject is about AMD's move to Austin.

Viditor: Crackpots? for wanting to preserve something that is dear to them, they are called crackpots? I guess people don't care what AMD does as long as they keep churning out great products. I mean, it's a given that the semiconductor fab business produces pollutants and contaminates as by products. Is AMD planning to put a Fab Plant there? or just offices? At any rate, the corporate world has wrecked the earth enough as it is.
Anyway, I'm not here to dispute anyone's opinions. Just to let you read for yourselves and get what you want out of it.

/cheers

I see no problem with it...We are only getting one side of the story...I would perfer them build near the best transportation routes, but a company that needs to expand and have the ability to do so is also important to the vitality of the city. If they give them to much grief they should just move out of the Austin area altogether....

As for the bush plan to drill....You flippin idiots!!! That has been planned by presidents for many of years. It may actually be that one thing that can alleviate our dependency on foreign oil as we start pushing for development of other fuel sources. It is reasons like this we have to have such a strong presence in the middle east in terms of strategic interest. Otherwise we could sit back and let that religion "of peace" who degrades women, has a culture that acts like it is 700AD, and has been killing each other and other religions for years destroy themselves. They cant get along with anyone anywhere in the world...Phillipines, Indonesia, India/Pakistan, breakaway soviet states, north Africa...and on and on and on.....I would love to not care about them at all and let them rot in the desert....


As for the tree huggers. I am a conservationist as much as the next guy but come from a state of radical environmentalist. We in Oregonn have only built on 3% of the total land of the state of Oregon yet to environmentalist that is too much. they would like to see the whole state one big national park preserve. They care little about ppl, jobs and the economy. Maany of them are children of rich modern day robber barons who have bilked mommy and daddy for years going to one college after another collecting degrees like coupons on sunday to denounce everything that has allowed them to get where they are today.

In Portland we have an UGB (urban Growth Boundary)....it was devised by liberal planners of the past to help stop urban sprawl that has plagued many of the western states. In the most part it has worked. Unfortunately it has worked to lock up sooo much land and leave small supplies of it available that it arbitrarily increases land prices and has made the portland metropolitan area the 2nd or 3rd most expensive place to buy a home in the US...Now go figure we are not the 2nd or 3rd state for the highest median home income (more like in the 30's) and youu can see the desperate problem.

there can be a balance in everything.....in planning, conservation, preservation, and yes even building jobs and the economy....as well as for drilling in Alaska....


The funny thing is the tree huggers use all these things they despise....electricity for computers, tons of paper for fliers, computer products that come from the businesses they are trying to force out of their communities , etc....


Oh by the way to the "tree hugger" radical environmentalist "ALL" areas are vital and sensitive....if you give them an inch they will run for a mile and try to lock everything up..then they can force us to buy all of our technology from other countries as well as our steel, lumber, chemicals, other raw materials, etc....So we can be even more dependent upon others...hey thanks!!! Go you smoke your clothes!!!

hopefully this doesn't come off as an attack since you seem to a rather passionate person. i didn't realize some of the things you were saying was true and would like it if you pointed out some facts to back yourself up. i've heard that drilling in anwar will not actually solve our nations dependency on foreign oils. so if you have an article pointing to how much oil we can get and how it will lessen our dependency that would be great. w/the least amount of ecological damage i hope.

i really feel its the people who use the religion for there own goals is what leads to the problems.

and i didn't realize it was so expensive to buy a home in portland. i'm a native portlandite and moved up to seattle. i've always wanted to move back cause i thought it was cheaper compared to here in seattle. where did you get your info? i might just have to stay in seattle if thats the case

i would google everything but since i'm interested in your points. i would like to read what you have read.

by the way, i work at a non profit agency and have many discussions/arguments w/liberals

 

[Duvie]

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2005/07...ities-lifestyle-cx_sc_0715home_ls.html

click the link at th ebottom of the page!!! Seattle is no. 1 an dPortland is no.3 behind New York...


http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/medincsizeandstate.html

This one you will have to add up but you will see I am in the ballpark at about 30th out of the 50th...no where near where it should be....



Other links....

http://www.rppi.org/urban/pb11.html

talks abour UGB on housing prices....

http://www.americasdebate.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9506

I have read some here as well as past articles in business magazines over the last 5-10 years as well seen debates on the topic on the big news channels....I agree it wont end our dependency but allows us some freedom to not allow it to negatively effect our economy. It is not as fragile as it was back in the 2001-2002 year but energy prices could me offset (albeit minimally) by having an oil reserve. needless to say it helps allow us to build a strategic reserve.

As for the ecological impacts...My Dad worked up in Alaska on the pipeline and heard all the doom and gloom claims back then. They built the pipelines to be elevated in areas to allow caribou to migrate freely. They even found that the caribou like to lay against the pipeline for the warmth and block the wind. I would say you would be hardpressed to find any hard evidence to prove the pipeline was an ecological disaster. Dont bring up Exxon Valdez inthe Prince williams sound....That could happen anywhere with carelessness.....



As you see once again Duvie backs up what he states...i sure wish the iNtel crowd coudl do that once in awhile.....


Also to the ppl above why dont you list some supporting evidence of the environmentalist (beyond them themselves) that can defend the argument not to build there...i mean no surprise we knew and we always know where the environmenatlist will fall on this issue....

 

[Ronin]

*shrugs* AMD already has offices in Austin..what difference does it make, really?

 

[deadseasquirrel]

As someone who lives in SW Austin, I don't mind it at all. The opposition fails to mention that AMD has enlisted the expertise of Gail Vittori who is nationally reknown for overseeing projects that are environmentally sensitive. It also failed to mention $2.6m a year from property taxes that goes straight to Austin School District.

Right now, there's like 12 AMD offices here, and the majority of the AMD employees live within a few miles of the new site. That eliminates a lot of the cross-town traffic. Granted, it ain't gonna make Mopac (a congested highway here) a breeze to drive down, but every little bit helps.

I do hope they do it right, though. It would have been really easy for them to just take over the mostly-empty Intel buildings here. It woulda been a nice jab at their competitor to turn that failure into a success.