you go back, jack, and do it again - Police in Ohio are investigating a group that recruited for a plot to arrest Gov. Mike DeWine for tyranny

[Jhhnn]

Its also unconscionable to permit, tolerate and enable lawless looting and rioting.

So what? That's not the topic at hand. Trump threatens to topple Democracy & has the RWNJ's on standby for when & if the time is right. He is their inspiration, make no mistake about that.

 

[nickqt]

So what? That's not the topic at hand. Trump threatens to topple Democracy & has the RWNJ's on standby for when & if the time is right. He is their inspiration, make no mistake about that.

His edgy, yawn job here is to equate liberal protests with the right-wing rioting, murdering, and kidnapping conspiracies, and then lament that, well, it's another case of BothSidesDoIt™.

 

[vi edit]

Yeah this is a false dichotomy of the laziest and most insincere intents.

 

[MrSquished]

Yes we should, and those incidents are well documented and inexcusable.

Also let me know when the top Democratic leaders encourage violent protests.

 

[Jaskalas]

Also let me know when the top Democratic leaders encourage violent protests.

They are more intelligent than Trump, so they do it with much more subtlety. Such as directly supporting and inflaming violent situations by parroting the absolute lie of "hands don't don't shoot" regarding Ferguson, MO. Have they ever apologized for that?

1. ‘Hands up, don’t shoot’ did not happen in Ferguson

On Dec. 1, 2014, four members of the Congressional Black Caucus repeated the gesture while delivering speeches on the House Floor titled, “Black in America: What Ferguson Says About Where We Are and Where We Need to Go.” Each of the members held up their hands, and the image spread widely online.​

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Yet the Department of Justice’s March 4, 2015, investigative report on the shooting of Michael Brown found federal investigators could not confirm witness accounts that Brown signaled surrender before being killed execution-style. The department’s descriptions of about 40 witness testimonies show the original claims that Brown had his hands up were not accurate.​

Of endorsing the aggressive assailant in Ferguson by honoring his mother.

2. Michael Brown's mother appears at Democratic National Convention

There is plenty of alt-reality extremism on display. But you won't see it if you drink in the kool-aid and believe the lies at face value. It would look normal from that perspective. Of a victim being heralded rather than seeing it for what it is. Fermenting a divisive movement. Not unlike what Trump does overtly.

Partisanship too often binds people to lies and false grievances. Stack enough of those together and you get these right wing militias. Extremism is not exclusively right wing, they just have a head start on organization and depravity. But all extremism tends to escalate if left unchecked.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Also let me know when the top Democratic leaders encourage violent protests.

Abdicating authority in the face of arson, looting and anarchy is a dereliction of duty and by default is a form of encouragement.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Let's just take a minute to review the last couple posts and the bar that D's are held to compared to R's. Just out there. One of these posters recently claimed that R's are elected in "D" states because people want adults in the room, lol.

 

[JD50]

Abdicating authority in the face of arson, looting and anarchy is a dereliction of duty and by default is a form of encouragement.

Two nights ago on 60 minutes the leader of the Democratic party looked directly into the camera and said any use of violence, burning down stores, and smashing windows is a crime and anyone doing that should be arrested.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Two nights ago on 60 minutes the leader of the Democratic party looked directly into the camera and said any use of violence, burning down stores, and smashing windows is a crime and anyone doing that should be arrested.

Hasn’t stopped it from happening, and local leaders across numerous municipalities handicapped the ability of local law enforcement to provide for public safety.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hasn’t stopped it from happening, and local leaders across numerous municipalities handicapped the ability of local law enforcement to provide for public safety.

And what would you propose? How far should the police escalate, particularly when their brutality is the target of protesters' ire? Trump has RWNJ's standing by to back them up if required, right?

 

[VRAMdemon]

It figures! ... DeWine was one of the few Republican governors who followed the experts and science. He had one of the best responses to COVID in any state. That is why these right wing nutjobs and Trump Republicans hate him. They have taken the side of the virus against that of humans.

 

[pmv]

Yeah this is a false dichotomy of the laziest and most insincere intents.

False equivalence, rather than false dichotomy, no?

[/pedant mode]

 

[ch33zw1z]

It figures! ... DeWine was one of the few Republican governors who followed the experts and science. He had one of the best responses to COVID in any state. That is why these right wing nutjobs and Trump Republicans hate him. They have taken the side of the virus against that of humans.

Kinda funny that their heads are so far up their asses that survival of the fittest is now their jam. See, they're not science deniers!

 

[Starbuck1975]

And what would you propose? How far should the police escalate, particularly when their brutality is the target of protesters' ire? Trump has RWNJ's standing by to back them up if required, right?

Curfews seem to work well. I’ve said previously that the most peaceful and productive demonstrations were when BLM and the police partnered. This isn’t hard nor does it need to be.

 

[MrSquished]

Curfews seem to work well. I’ve said previously that the most peaceful and productive demonstrations were when BLM and the police partnered. This isn’t hard nor does it need to be.

Over 90% of the protests were peaceful, I think it was around 95%. You make it sound like there needed to be special circumstances for peaceful protests to happen.

You are falling for the If It Bleeds it Leads mantra of the media that goes with the mayhem and glosses over the boring peaceful stuff mostly, and the hype of right wing leaders making it sound like Antifa was burning down every large city in the country.

 

[vi edit]

False equivalence, rather than false dichotomy, no?

[/pedant mode]

Both?

False equivalence is saying dems encouraging looting is the same as the president encouraging white terrorists to kidnap sitting governors. Those two things are not remotely close to one another. Both are crimes, but wildly different types of crime.

False dichotomy is saying there is a limited choice. "Oh Trump had to do this out of response of democrats encouraging looting!" Or Trump had to say liberate Michigan after their governor enacted shelter in place. The limiting of choice as these are the options available on the table is a false dichotomy (or dilemma).

 

[woolfe9998]

He is whipping his nutbars into a frenzy in response to the other nutbars who are in a frenzy over the police.

There you go again. It's the fault of the left that RWNJ's plotted to assassinate a sitting governor. Your schtick is less and less amusing, and more flat out offensive, as time goes by.

 

[Starbuck1975]

There you go again. It's the fault of the left that RWNJ's plotted to assassinate a sitting governor. Your schtick is less and less amusing, and more flat out offensive, as time goes by.

yawn

 

[Starbuck1975]

Over 90% of the protests were peaceful, I think it was around 95%. You make it sound like there needed to be special circumstances for peaceful protests to happen.

You are falling for the If It Bleeds it Leads mantra of the media that goes with the mayhem and glosses over the boring peaceful stuff mostly, and the hype of right wing leaders making it sound like Antifa was burning down every large city in the country.

They didn’t burn down every city, but they did infringe on the civil rights of residents and businesses in many cities.

 

[MrSquished]

They didn’t burn down every city, but they did infringe on the civil rights of residents and businesses in many cities.

Didn't burn down every city. You sure make it sound like they got close. Even in the most visible protest cities like Portland only a tiny teeny fraction of the city was affected. Yes some businesses were affected. Yes some protests went off the rails. The instigators should be prosecuted. But The vast majority of protests were peaceful and the vast majority of cities are unscathed but got scant coverage and the mayhem got excessive coverage - right wing pundits and politicians played to that, and you fell for it hook line and sinker.

In Minneapolis they actually caught right wing instigators. You know how hard that is? God knows what they missed in the few other cities that got hit.

And also anarchists does not equal Democrats or Democratic progressives.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Didn't burn down every city. You sure make it sound like they got close. Even in the most visible protest cities like Portland only a tiny teeny fraction of the city was affected.

You’re hearing what you want to hear. I am sure this is very comforting to the business owners and residents impacted.

Yes some businesses were affected. Yes some protests went off the rails. The vast majority of protests were peaceful and the vast majority of cities are unscathed but got scant coverage and the mayhem got excessive coverage - right wing pundits and politicians played to that, and you fell for it hook line and sinker.

No, I simply acknowledge the inconvenient facts for what they are

In Minneapolis they actually caught right wing instigators. You know how hard that is? God knows what they missed in the few other cities that got hit.

Indeed they did, but right wing agitators didn’t provoke every riot.

And also anarchists does not equal Democrats or Democratic progressives

Of course not, plausible deniability and all...but the anarchists only seem to show up at the liberal progressive parties.

 

[Fenixgoon]

You’re hearing what you want to hear. I am sure this is very comforting to the business owners and residents impacted.

No, I simply acknowledge the inconvenient facts for what they are

Indeed they did, but right wing agitators didn’t provoke every riot.

Of course not, plausible deniability and all...but the anarchists only seem to show up at the liberal progressive parties.

1) insurance exists for a reason
2) the FBI has determined the greatest domestic threat is white nationalist groups

 

[Starbuck1975]

1) insurance exists for a reason

doesn’t justify looting, arson and anarchy, which also included criminal assault

2) the FBI has determined the greatest domestic threat is white nationalist groups

Whataboutism. COVID-19 is rising up the charts as a leading cause of death, doesn’t mean I should start smoking.

 

[Jhhnn]

They didn’t burn down every city, but they did infringe on the civil rights of residents and businesses in many cities.

Trumpist fearmongering. They didn't burn down any cities. Right wing agent provocateurs played their part & likely more that is undiscovered-

‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building

www.theguardian.com

 

[hal2kilo]

Trumpist fearmongering. They didn't burn down any cities. Right wing agent provocateurs played their part & likely more that is undiscovered-

‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building

www.theguardian.com

That's doesn't fit his agenda.