Why make it about the Police? Because you want to divert from the topic of Trump engaging in stochastic terrorism. Trump knows full that he's moved the Overton window towards violence by inspiring the crazies. Doesn't even slow him down.
Why make it about the Police? Because you want to divert from the topic of Trump engaging in stochastic terrorism. Trump knows full that he's moved the Overton window towards violence by inspiring the crazies. Doesn't even slow him down.
Starbuck1975
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Trump would be doing the Police & the rest of the Country a favor if he quit whipping the nutbars into a frenzy every chance he gets. Right now, they're standing by, awaiting his call.
Starbuck1975
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He is whipping his nutbars into a frenzy in response to the other nutbars who are in a frenzy over the police.
Fenixgoon
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Should people not be pissed when police kill people without just cause and almost always complete impunity? Is that what you're saying?
Starbuck1975
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No, that is what the straw people say. What I am saying is that when the protestors enable nutbars to engage in anarchy, it undermines their message and forces a response from the police, as police inaction in the face of lawlessness infringes on the civil rights of residents and business owners.
Trump was whipping the nutbars into a frenzy before Charlottesville, before the George Floyd protests & before he was elected. It's not response but rather provocation.
Fenixgoon
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If a cop didn't put a knee on George Floyd for 8:46, if Brenna Taylor hadn't been shot in her bed while alseep, would the protests have happened in the first place? The answer is unequivocally no.
People don't protest and riot for no reason at all.
The police abusing the populace as a response to protests also, ironically, reinforces the point of police brutality being a problem.
Starbuck1975
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Protesting and rioting are two separate responses. People have every right to protest. Once a certain element starts rioting, it infringes on the civil rights of others, and necessitates a forceful response from the police. Seattle is currently being sued by residents and business owners for enabling lawlessness.
Well, like most things, it varies. Cops vary, like any other group. Ideally, though, there wouldn't be any overlap between the far-right and the police , but unfortunately it has a long history.
The FBI warned for years that police are cozy with the far right. Is no one listening? | Mike German
I was an FBI agent who infiltrated white supremacists. Too many local police don’t take the far right seriously – or actively sympathize
The History of the KKK And Law Enforcement On 'Behind The Police' | iHeart
Robert Evans and Jason 'Propaganda' Petty trace the history of the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacist groups infiltrating law enforcement from 1865 to today. | iHeart
Fenixgoon
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Yet only one of those two is considered the largest domestic threat to the US right now...
UNCjigga
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Deep State lol!
I'm just gonna park this over here for you Starbuck and see what your take on it is:
US Republicans are starting to look a lot like authoritarian parties in Hungary and Turkey, study finds | CNN
The Republicans have become more illiberal and populist in recent decades and are now starting to resemble autocratic parties like Hungary's Fidesz and Turkey's AKP, according to a new study from Sweden.
(CNN)The GOP is starting to look a lot like an autocratic party, a large study into political identity has found.
Experts from the V-Dem Institute at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden said the US Republican Party had become more illiberal and populist in recent decades and that its recent retreat from democratic norms has left it resembling authoritarian ruling parties like Hungary's Fidesz and Turkey's AKP.
"What we see is that the disrespect of political opponents, the encouragement of violence and also the violation of minority rights ... they have all clearly increased with the Republican Party in recent years, since [President Donald Trump] came in the leadership but also before that," Anna Luehrmann, V-Dem's deputy director and one of the lead authors of the study, told CNN.
The US Democratic party has not shown a similar shift towards illiberalism, according to the study. Researchers found that Democrats had become more populist and more anti-elitist since 2000, but less so than the Republicans. The move on the illiberalism scale pushed the GOP further away from its traditional European equivalents and towards more autocratic groupings.
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Just compare the GOP with the UK Conservative party over the past few years. You've seen a similar embrace of populist ideology with the passage of Brexit and Boris Johnson's election, knocking down the Red Wall etc.--but when Boris got caught trying to maneuver around democratic norms (suspending parliament, ruling by decree vs. parliamentary procedure etc.) he was called out by many within his own party and Britain's Supreme Court held him in check.
I get your first point, but disagree with your second one.
White supremacists have rioted over literally nothing on multiple occasions. They literally would randomly just make up shit to justify it too. There's been several that set out specifically just to try and kill as many people as possible.
Also, people riot over sports games all the time. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more than Antifa yet you don't hear these clownfucking dipshits screaming that we should condemn all sports and murder the fans.
Deep State lol!
I'm just gonna park this over here for you Starbuck and see what your take on it is:
US Republicans are starting to look a lot like authoritarian parties in Hungary and Turkey, study finds | CNN
The Republicans have become more illiberal and populist in recent decades and are now starting to resemble autocratic parties like Hungary's Fidesz and Turkey's AKP, according to a new study from Sweden.www.cnn.com
(CNN)The GOP is starting to look a lot like an autocratic party, a large study into political identity has found.
Experts from the V-Dem Institute at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden said the US Republican Party had become more illiberal and populist in recent decades and that its recent retreat from democratic norms has left it resembling authoritarian ruling parties like Hungary's Fidesz and Turkey's AKP.
"What we see is that the disrespect of political opponents, the encouragement of violence and also the violation of minority rights ... they have all clearly increased with the Republican Party in recent years, since [President Donald Trump] came in the leadership but also before that," Anna Luehrmann, V-Dem's deputy director and one of the lead authors of the study, told CNN.
The US Democratic party has not shown a similar shift towards illiberalism, according to the study. Researchers found that Democrats had become more populist and more anti-elitist since 2000, but less so than the Republicans. The move on the illiberalism scale pushed the GOP further away from its traditional European equivalents and towards more autocratic groupings.
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Just compare the GOP with the UK Conservative party over the past few years. You've seen a similar embrace of populist ideology with the passage of Brexit and Boris Johnson's election, knocking down the Red Wall etc.--but when Boris got caught trying to maneuver around democratic norms (suspending parliament, ruling by decree vs. parliamentary procedure etc.) he was called out by many within his own party and Britain's Supreme Court held him in check.
Its all liberals' faults! They called them Nazis so much that right wingers decided they'd just go ahead an fully become them.
hal2kilo
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Like this-
Nazis? Or Just Really Big Racists?
Trump supporters can’t handle the name-calling.
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Ok that's entirely disingenuous. Trump has been doing this shit far before the late spring/summer protests. Trying to say this is happening in the vacuum of protests is abject horseshit.
Starbuck1975
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That’s not entirely true either. There have been protests against Trump since he announced his candidacy, and protests have followed his entire political career, to include his inauguration.
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There are also plenty of incidents where people were being peaceful and cops used excessive force. Gotta add those into the equation.
So what? It doesn't justify any POTUS whipping heavily armed RWNJ's into a frenzy. Nothing does. You acknowledged that Trump is doing just that-
It's an unconscionable threat to public safety & Democracy itself, particularly coupled with his threats to attempt to stay in power if he feels he's cheated. There is no both sides to this.
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It's right-wing militias killing cops and right-wingers starting riots in the back of the crowd of left-wingers legally protesting.
Why do you continue equating protesters with rioters? Just so you can go out of your way to provide cover for police officers killing people?
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