You get to fix one political problem

[Moonbeam]

Cure the CBD! Go Moonbeam!

The CBD is fear, fear of the power of others. But we always become what we fear, so those who fear power, think hate big government., always desire to seize that power to destroy it. In this why fear becomes what it fears. This hidden truth, of course, always leads to another, that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I believe, therefore, for the reasons implied in the above, that if I could have absolute power, I could throw a wrench is this disease. I happen to know, having a moral character that's isn't based on fear, that power corrupts only those who can be corrupted. My wish, then, if I had absolute power, is that I could never be identified as the one who has it, and then to never use it again. Let the CBD exist knowing there is a terrible threat that won't materialize, ever despite deep paranoia and suspicion.

 

[ivwshane]

What's what you thought? lol that Congress and parliament are the same? Yeah you said that and it's fucking stupid and wrong.

I didn't say they were the same dipshit.

 

[dank69]

No more lying.

 

[ivwshane]

No more lying.

Wow! So simple and yet unimaginable! Well done

 

[Pipeline 1010]

The same consequences for wrongful actions of a government employee that a non-government employee gets. The same accountability, jail time, and overall treatment of all government employees (president, congress, judicial, police, teachers, etc...) as those not in government get.

This means no qualified immunity, no more good ol' boys club treatment by DAs and grand juries, and no more courtroom testimony treated as more honorable/truthful/better than the rest of us. This means no more police investigating their police drinking buddies. This means REAL citizen oversight of all areas of government. This means if you frame someone for a crime, the minimum sentence you receive will be equal to double the time that person would have received. This means if you commit an act that would get me fired from my job, you're fired. No appeal. I don't get one, neither do you.

Oh yeah, and government employees pay any civil judgements against them. You committed the offense, YOU pay for it, not me and the rest of the taxpayers in your municipality. Your house, your pension, your savings account are all fair game if you choose to shit on someone's life.

80% of the world's problems are now solved. You're welcome.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

The CBD is fear, fear of the power of others.

Fear of the power of others is one of the most rational, logical, natural emotions that exist. When someone has the power to ruin me without consequence, I should rightfully mistrust and even fear them. People are not perfect, and people with power are easily corrupted to misuse it for their own gain at the expense of others.

Let's look at an example from nature. When I (or Mr. friendly rabbit) am out for a jog in the woods and I (or he) spots a mountain lion, we will naturally fear it because it has the power to kill us. It has so much power proportionate to us that it can destroy us without fear of negative consequence. This is not an irrational fear borne of a defect in the brain that has been present since birth. This is a healthy fear borne of thousand of years of survival and evolution of our species.

To automatically trust that the men who have power will never use it against me for evil is to blindly ignore our entire history, which is full of the exploitation, enslavement, and genocides committed by people of great power against those who have none. Genocides, Moonbeam. Of 10s of millions of people. It has happened since the earliest recorded history, and is still happening now.

 

[glenn1]

Which you will probably promptly not give a fuck about when your own favored politics are in power in the federal government.

That's what federalism is for. Unless it's the state/locality I live (or work) in, I have no interest in what laws or polices you choose to live under so long as they don't limit fundamental human rights or suppress civil liberties. Recently government seems to be less about being "by, of, and for the people" and more about "by and for nosy control freak people" trying to impose their will on others regarding issues that are truly none of their business. For example, I give no shits about whether NYC or Chicago decides to restrict handguns, or Texas puts stupid building code requirements on abortion facilities. I'd oppose both in my state, but I don't live there.

 

[norseamd]

That's what federalism is for. Unless it's the state/locality I live (or work) in, I have no interest in what laws or polices you choose to live under so long as they don't limit fundamental human rights or suppress civil liberties. Recently government seems to be less about being "by, of, and for the people" and more about "by and for nosy control freak people" trying to impose their will on others regarding issues that are truly none of their business. For example, I give no shits about whether NYC or Chicago decides to restrict handguns, or Texas puts stupid building code requirements on abortion facilities. I'd oppose both in my state, but I don't live there.

The problem is that then the state governments think they can do whatever the fuck they want. Why not enact a similar type of situation between the state governments and local governments? Plus the 10th Amendment actually mentions the citizens if I remember right so a Federal Referendum would be able to supersede any type of state law.

 

[glenn1]

The problem is that then the state governments think they can do whatever the fuck they want. Why not enact a similar type of situation between the state governments and local governments? Plus the 10th Amendment actually mentions the citizens if I remember right so a Federal Referendum would be able to supersede any type of state law.

It's not my job or responsibility to ensure the people of other states don't act like idiots. Your lifestyle is not my political football to kick around unless you're trying to reinstate slavery or some shit.

 

[sportage]

District gerrymandering.
Everything would change if that one thing were stopped.

 

[Moonbeam]

I will try to help you understand better:

Pipeline: Fear of the power of others is one of the most rational, logical, natural emotions that exist.

M: If there is something to fear.

P: When someone has the power to ruin me without consequence, I should rightfully mistrust and even fear them.

M: You lived your whole life in that condition. Your parents had near absolute power over you. And had you run screaming in terror out of the house, you would likely have ended up tragically. In order to survive you need not only the capacity to rationally assess risk, but also the capacity to trust, Unfortunately, your focus on only the paranoia aspect of the trust don't trust equation is in large measure the result of parental failure to be totally trustworthy. They didn't exactly totally trust you either, having the same disease they passed on to you, having caught it from their own parents, blamelessly.

P:: People are not perfect, and people with power are easily corrupted to misuse it for their own gain at the expense of others.

M: As I tried to explain it is people whom we can't trust with power that think this way, because knowing themselves and how dangerous they would be if they had power, but not wanting to feel that truth about themselves, see it in other people.

P: Let's look at an example from nature. When I (or Mr. friendly rabbit) am out for a jog in the woods and I (or he) spots a mountain lion, we will naturally fear it because it has the power to kill us. It has so much power proportionate to us that it can destroy us without fear of negative consequence. This is not an irrational fear borne of a defect in the brain that has been present since birth. This is a healthy fear borne of thousand of years of survival and evolution of our species.

M: It is a misplaced fear when it sees all things as if they were a lion. Even lions need each other to survive and feel a bond with other lions.

P: To automatically trust that the men who have power will never use it against me for evil is to blindly ignore our entire history, which is full of the exploitation, enslavement, and genocides committed by people of great power against those who have none. Genocides, Moonbeam. Of 10s of millions of people. It has happened since the earliest recorded history, and is still happening now.

M: I am not talking about automatic trust, but automatic distrust. You believe that power corrupts absolutely because you can be corrupted. I believe otherwise. I reject the use of power. I reject the notion that any of my best intentions would lead to good.

 

[alcoholbob]

The same one Alan Greenspan wants to fix, the part of mandatory increases in health & welfare spending increasing at a rate of 9% per year threatening to overtake the entire Federal budget.

 

[norseamd]

It's not my job or responsibility to ensure the people of other states don't act like idiots. Your lifestyle is not my political football to kick around unless you're trying to reinstate slavery or some shit.

Honestly if you want to get federal government out of your life as long as it is logical then I agree as long as we do it for all government.

 

[norseamd]

Everything would change if that one thing were stopped.

No it would not.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Take the money out of politics. No more lobbying, no more private campaign ads, no private funding. All debates and information will be funded publicly and appropriately.

If I could pick a second, I would remove the party system entirely and force candidates to be chosen purely on their merits and good nature, not just hiding behind the colored animal of their choosing.

This! If its too vague or broad I'll go with either killing Citizens United or Gerrymandering.

 

[glenn1]

Honestly if you want to get federal government out of your life as long as it is logical then I agree as long as we do it for all government.

I'm not an anarchist. The rule of law is a good thing and so are things which are shared community services like infrastructure. Believing in the MYOB mode of citizenship doesn't mean you don't want any government.

 

[norseamd]

I'm not an anarchist. The rule of law is a good thing and so are things which are shared community services like infrastructure. Believing in the MYOB mode of citizenship doesn't mean you don't want any government.

Exactly. Libertarianism and Anarchy still have major differences and are not the same shit. That said I broke with traditional Libertarianism long ago after understanding they were for shit like getting rid of fire departments. What bullshit.

 

[ivwshane]

Exactly. Libertarianism and Anarchy still have major differences and are not the same shit. That said I broke with traditional Libertarianism long ago after understanding they were for shit like getting rid of fire departments. What bullshit.

That's why believing in anyone type of ideology is stupid. People do it all the time and then they have to twist themselves to justify why they like something that goes against that particular ideology.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Thank you for responding. Based on your response, I have been able to correctly ascertain that you are an asshole.

I will try to help you understand better:

Pipeline: Fear of the power of others is one of the most rational, logical, natural emotions that exist.

M: If there is something to fear.

Pipeline2(extreme response edition): Power has proven throughout history to be something to be feared. Over and over and over again. To claim that it is not to be feared is to claim that the evil shit it has attained is not truly evil.

P: When someone has the power to ruin me without consequence, I should rightfully mistrust and even fear them.

M: You lived your whole life in that condition. Your parents had near absolute power over you. And had you run screaming in terror out of the house, you would likely have ended up tragically. In order to survive you need not only the capacity to rationally assess risk, but also the capacity to trust, Unfortunately, your focus on only the paranoia aspect of the trust don't trust equation is in large measure the result of parental failure to be totally trustworthy. They didn't exactly totally trust you either, having the same disease they passed on to you, having caught it from their own parents, blamelessly.

Pipeline2(extreme response edition): Are you saying dear brother loves me as much as my parents? That because my loving parents love me, I should love a "benevolent" all powerful government that can, will, and has fucked people's lives in the literal asshole for their own personal benefit? This has been proven time and time again throughout history. No, big brother's love and compassion toward me may NOT be compared to my parents, you dick.

P:: People are not perfect, and people with power are easily corrupted to misuse it for their own gain at the expense of others.

M: As I tried to explain it is people whom we can't trust with power that think this way, because knowing themselves and how dangerous they would be if they had power, but not wanting to feel that truth about themselves, see it in other people.

Pipeline2(extreme response edition): Yes, you tried to explain this, but you failed and missed the entire point. It's the people who desire power over others who should be mistrusted, not those who wish to not be ruled by people with absolute power. Let's take a look at the people who had the most power in history. Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Napolean, Hirohito, Caligula, King George the whatever, Kim Jong All Of Them, and pretty much any other supreme leader in history. What the fuck did they all have in common? They all shitted all over their subjects' lives in order to benefit themselves. A little bit of Genocide? Fuck no, a LOT of genocide! So yeah, sure, people who don't think this should happen are merely jealous that they can't do this to people. Only a fucked up asshole would think this. You think this.

P: Let's look at an example from nature. When I (or Mr. friendly rabbit) am out for a jog in the woods and I (or he) spots a mountain lion, we will naturally fear it because it has the power to kill us. It has so much power proportionate to us that it can destroy us without fear of negative consequence. This is not an irrational fear borne of a defect in the brain that has been present since birth. This is a healthy fear borne of thousand of years of survival and evolution of our species.

M: It is a misplaced fear when it sees all things as if they were a lion. Even lions need each other to survive and feel a bond with other lions.

Pipeline2(extreme edition): Dumb response. Not all things are seen as if they were a lion. Only the things that have the same power to destroy as a lion are seen as a lion. As currently practiced, MOST government has this power. Every day there are dozens of examples of this happening in America, the land of the free. But according to you, it is my brain defect that leads me to not like this shit. According to you, I should like this shit. Nope.

Furthermore, in my example, Mr. Friendly rabbit doesn't NEED a mountain lion to survive. Mr. Pipeline 2.0 doesn't need a mountain lion to survive, either. People of power are very similar to a mountain lion, and non-government citizens who do not enjoy the power of manipulation, the destruction, and the non-accountability of the government are very similar to the rabbit who doesn't like the power of the mountain lion to eat them and face zero consequences. The rabbit is not a bad person who has trust issues because he wishes he could fuck the lion in the asshole. It simply wants to live and let live, which you seem to feel extremely threatened by.

P: To automatically trust that the men who have power will never use it against me for evil is to blindly ignore our entire history, which is full of the exploitation, enslavement, and genocides committed by people of great power against those who have none. Genocides, Moonbeam. Of 10s of millions of people. It has happened since the earliest recorded history, and is still happening now.

M: I am not talking about automatic trust, but automatic distrust. You believe that power corrupts absolutely because you can be corrupted. I believe otherwise. I reject the use of power. I reject the notion that any of my best intentions would lead to good.

Pipeline2(extreme edition): Horseshit. I believe that power corrupts because I have seen it happen throughout history, not because I can be personally corrupted. I haven't shitted on people's lives because I don't want to. I could easily be part of the corrupt system, but have rejected it BECAUSE it is corrupt. I do not hate dishonest and corrupt people because I want to be more dishonest and corrupt than them; I hate them because they are dishonest and corrupt and that is fucking immoral and wrong. This is how it should be. It is known.

I also reject the notion that any of your best intentions would lead to good because you think that people should be docile subjects to be shitted upon at a whim of people with the power to do so and get away with it. Which is what you would apparently do with power. My prayers are that you never have any.

 

[norseamd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Mg66tfSnc

 

[Moonbeam]

Thank you for responding. Based on your response, I have been able to correctly ascertain that you are an asshole.

No, I thank you. You clarify for any who can think the scientific fact that the CBD is not amenable to reason, that the conversation would end with you as ignorant as when you arrived.

 

[irishScott]

Term limits on everyone in elected office.

 

[boomerang]

Term limits on everyone in elected office.

What, not judges? Not Supreme Court justices?

 

[irishScott]

What, not judges? Not Supreme Court justices?

Of course not. The Judiciary needs to be as independent of political influence as possible, which is the reason they currently don't have term limits. It would drive them to do more legislating from the bench than they already do as said limit approaches. Additionally knowing precisely when a justice was going to be booted would be very useful political ammo for anyone running for President, which turns the Judiciary into a political weapon.

Neither are something we want. You can disagree with the current SCOTUS all you like, you can think they're old fogies who aren't fit to make decisions in the information age and should be replaced with younger models periodically, you might even have a point. But with term limits, they'd be even worse.

 

[boomerang]

Of course not. The Judiciary needs to be as independent of political influence as possible, which is the reason they currently don't have term limits. It would drive them to do more legislating from the bench than they already do as said limit approaches. Additionally knowing precisely when a justice was going to be booted would be very useful political ammo for anyone running for President, which turns the Judiciary into a political weapon.

Neither are something we want. You can disagree with the current SCOTUS all you like, you can think they're old fogies who aren't fit to make decisions in the information age and should be replaced with younger models periodically, you might even have a point. But with term limits, they'd be even worse.

My argument would be that they are not independent because they are appointed. They are beholden to someone, to a political party. Which is why we need a turnover with them.

As to your second point, short of sudden illness or death, they already know when their term is up and they are free to legislate as they see fit just as they were during their entire tenure. They determine when they will retire. Further, they have control over their retirement to the extent that they can choose to do so under the reign of the party they identify with. Ginsburg could retire within the reign of Obama and be certain the mix of the court retains it's current makeup for example.

Common sense thinking does not apply with a government that is wholly corrupt. We have no reason to believe that people within our government will take some moral high ground because it's the right thing to do. No, the only hope the nation has of curtailing the power of the three branches of government is to limit how long any one individual has power. That is unless an Article V Convention can be held that would successfully clip the wings of our out of control government. A convention of states is the only means to restore power to the people short of bloodshed. And term limits won't work because just one bad apple remaining will spoil the bunch. Our government is a bumper crop of bad apples.

It's how governments throughout history have evolved. The rise and the eventual fall. We might be able to slow it, but whether we can stop it is up in the air. History says no.