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torpid

Lifer
Sep 14, 2003
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Yeah, I don't know... I figured we would all die because of entropy... Eventually all the stars will die and a super-super-massive singularity will just eat it all up. Is there something wrong with this logic? I figured eventually everything, including all the light that shot out into space at the beginning would come back after trillions/10^8738 years because of gravity, or am I wrong? Maybe a big-bang would happen again, I don't know... That's how I conceive it without any real scientific knowledge.

I think that we no longer expect this to happen based on observations in the last 50 or so years. "Dark Energy" would seem to be causing the dispersion of mater and expansion of the universe to be happening at higher than expected rates. I could be wrong.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Yeah, I don't know... I figured we would all die because of entropy... Eventually all the stars will die and a super-super-massive singularity will just eat it all up. Is there something wrong with this logic? I figured eventually everything, including all the light that shot out into space at the beginning would come back after trillions/10^8738 years because of gravity, or am I wrong? Maybe a big-bang would happen again, I don't know... That's how I conceive it without any real scientific knowledge.

Iron-56 is the most stable element in the universe. If the universe ran long enough and all the atoms that could fiss, fissed and all the atoms that could fuse, fused, there would be nothing but big chucks of iron-56 floating in an absolutely dark, cold void. If your thoughts are to have permanent meaning they must be written with that type of dark finality, preferably written on a block of iron using isotopically pure welding rod. Anything less would be pointless.
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555

Yeah, I don't know... I figured we would all die because of entropy... Eventually all the stars will die and a super-super-massive singularity will just eat it all up. Is there something wrong with this logic? I figured eventually everything, including all the light that shot out into space at the beginning would come back after trillions/10^8738 years because of gravity, or am I wrong? Maybe a big-bang would happen again, I don't know... That's how I conceive it without any real scientific knowledge.

Iron-56 is the most stable element in the universe. If the universe ran long enough and all the atoms that could fiss, fissed and all the atoms that could fuse, fused, there would be nothing but big chucks of iron-56 floating in an absolutely dark, cold void. If your thoughts are to have permanent meaning they must be written with that type of dark finality, preferably written on a block of iron using isotopically pure welding rod. Anything less would be pointless.

Wouldn't it eventually just crush itself due to the gravity? All of it so close together, wouldn't that make it collapse or something?
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
My questions probably should go to the highly technical staff, meh?

The L&R forum would be most appropriate.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Yeah, I don't know... I figured we would all die because of entropy... Eventually all the stars will die and a super-super-massive singularity will just eat it all up. Is there something wrong with this logic? I figured eventually everything, including all the light that shot out into space at the beginning would come back after trillions/10^8738 years because of gravity, or am I wrong? Maybe a big-bang would happen again, I don't know... That's how I conceive it without any real scientific knowledge.

Well see, that's a very long time from now. Most likely will be beyond the lifespan of mankind, unless we find a way to spread ourselves through space to ensure our survival... aka human parity, our fail-safe for when one planet we're on suddenly goes lifeless for some reason. It's very theoretical numerous world-ending events can happen to Earth. One of them could render Earth like Mars, stripped of the atmosphere it once had, so our planet would be cold and yet no water ice on the surface even though obviously plenty of water exists on Earth. What happened to Mars was it's liquid metal core cooled down and solidified, stopping its magnetic shielding and letting the planet get bombarded with solar radiation, which basically nuked the atmosphere. It's likely at some point, Earth's outer core will solidify or at least partially solidify, because I cannot imagine how, with no external input, it could continue cranking the heat up enough to maintain molten. Maybe I don't know geophysics enough, but even geophysicists have argued it might happen some day far out in the future (wouldn't/couldn't happen overnight).

Okay, so I ran with random thoughts right there... but basically, we need to colonize nearby space. Then again, that won't be able to happen for awhile as 'nearby' space, as in inhabitable, is lightyears away, and we are no where near even 1% of lightspeed... so it'll take us forever to get anywhere as of current tech.
Hopefully in 100 years that'll change.
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Yeah, I don't know... I figured we would all die because of entropy... Eventually all the stars will die and a super-super-massive singularity will just eat it all up. Is there something wrong with this logic? I figured eventually everything, including all the light that shot out into space at the beginning would come back after trillions/10^8738 years because of gravity, or am I wrong? Maybe a big-bang would happen again, I don't know... That's how I conceive it without any real scientific knowledge.

Well see, that's a very long time from now. Most likely will be beyond the lifespan of mankind, unless we find a way to spread ourselves through space to ensure our survival... aka human parity, our fail-safe for when one planet we're on suddenly goes lifeless for some reason. It's very theoretical numerous world-ending events can happen to Earth. One of them could render Earth like Mars, stripped of the atmosphere it once had, so our planet would be cold and yet no water ice on the surface even though obviously plenty of water exists on Earth. What happened to Mars was it's liquid metal core cooled down and solidified, stopping its magnetic shielding and letting the planet get bombarded with solar radiation, which basically nuked the atmosphere. It's likely at some point, Earth's outer core will solidify or at least partially solidify, because I cannot imagine how, with no external input, it could continue cranking the heat up enough to maintain molten. Maybe I don't know geophysics enough, but even geophysicists have argued it might happen some day far out in the future (wouldn't/couldn't happen overnight).

Okay, so I ran with random thoughts right there... but basically, we need to colonize nearby space. Then again, that won't be able to happen for awhile as 'nearby' space, as in inhabitable, is lightyears away, and we are no where near even 1% of lightspeed... so it'll take us forever to get anywhere as of current tech.
Hopefully in 100 years that'll change.

I'm saying even if we colonize the whole universe... eventually we're all going to die because all the stars will die... right?
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: manowar821
Why do you need a point? Make your own point.

Why do you live? Don't live.

Because I have a hell of a lot of fun.

By posting on the ATOT forums??? O_O (Looks at the 4500 post count in only two years...)
 

manowar821

Diamond Member
Mar 1, 2007
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: manowar821
Why do you need a point? Make your own point.

Why do you live? Don't live.

Because I have a hell of a lot of fun.

By posting on the ATOT forums??? O_O (Looks at the 4500 post count in only two years...)

Not hard when you had an IT job for 1 1/2 years. :p
 

BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Yeah, I don't know... I figured we would all die because of entropy... Eventually all the stars will die and a super-super-massive singularity will just eat it all up. Is there something wrong with this logic? I figured eventually everything, including all the light that shot out into space at the beginning would come back after trillions/10^8738 years because of gravity, or am I wrong? Maybe a big-bang would happen again, I don't know... That's how I conceive it without any real scientific knowledge.

Well see, that's a very long time from now. Most likely will be beyond the lifespan of mankind, unless we find a way to spread ourselves through space to ensure our survival... aka human parity, our fail-safe for when one planet we're on suddenly goes lifeless for some reason. It's very theoretical numerous world-ending events can happen to Earth. One of them could render Earth like Mars, stripped of the atmosphere it once had, so our planet would be cold and yet no water ice on the surface even though obviously plenty of water exists on Earth. What happened to Mars was it's liquid metal core cooled down and solidified, stopping its magnetic shielding and letting the planet get bombarded with solar radiation, which basically nuked the atmosphere. It's likely at some point, Earth's outer core will solidify or at least partially solidify, because I cannot imagine how, with no external input, it could continue cranking the heat up enough to maintain molten. Maybe I don't know geophysics enough, but even geophysicists have argued it might happen some day far out in the future (wouldn't/couldn't happen overnight).

Okay, so I ran with random thoughts right there... but basically, we need to colonize nearby space. Then again, that won't be able to happen for awhile as 'nearby' space, as in inhabitable, is lightyears away, and we are no where near even 1% of lightspeed... so it'll take us forever to get anywhere as of current tech.
Hopefully in 100 years that'll change.

I'm saying even if we colonize the whole universe... eventually we're all going to die because all the stars will die... right?

Its possible we could escape our doom and transport dimensions to a new universe that bubbled off of ours. Though, i'm not sure how likely it is we will even survive another few hundred thousand years.
 

SagaLore

Elite Member
Dec 18, 2001
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You'll have to step away from the computer if you want to feel like there is a purpose to life.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
there is no point to life and why even think about it because... there is no point... Why post this, if there is no point?

I want to be some kind of God religious person or something but... I just can't do it. I am an atheist. I want to feel like there is a purpose to me living... Sometimes I just contemplate suicide and almost go for the gun, just to find out what the fuck happens after I die. If there really is an afterlife or not because... this world seems to have nothing for me.

ever feel like that? Because I tell you, it sucks... and I have class tomorrow and I know this feeling is going to pass but... KNOWING THAT IT WILL PASS MAKES ME FEEL WORSE. >_<

take it from a God, it ain't what it's cracked up to be baby.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: BudAshes
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Yeah, I don't know... I figured we would all die because of entropy... Eventually all the stars will die and a super-super-massive singularity will just eat it all up. Is there something wrong with this logic? I figured eventually everything, including all the light that shot out into space at the beginning would come back after trillions/10^8738 years because of gravity, or am I wrong? Maybe a big-bang would happen again, I don't know... That's how I conceive it without any real scientific knowledge.

Well see, that's a very long time from now. Most likely will be beyond the lifespan of mankind, unless we find a way to spread ourselves through space to ensure our survival... aka human parity, our fail-safe for when one planet we're on suddenly goes lifeless for some reason. It's very theoretical numerous world-ending events can happen to Earth. One of them could render Earth like Mars, stripped of the atmosphere it once had, so our planet would be cold and yet no water ice on the surface even though obviously plenty of water exists on Earth. What happened to Mars was it's liquid metal core cooled down and solidified, stopping its magnetic shielding and letting the planet get bombarded with solar radiation, which basically nuked the atmosphere. It's likely at some point, Earth's outer core will solidify or at least partially solidify, because I cannot imagine how, with no external input, it could continue cranking the heat up enough to maintain molten. Maybe I don't know geophysics enough, but even geophysicists have argued it might happen some day far out in the future (wouldn't/couldn't happen overnight).

Okay, so I ran with random thoughts right there... but basically, we need to colonize nearby space. Then again, that won't be able to happen for awhile as 'nearby' space, as in inhabitable, is lightyears away, and we are no where near even 1% of lightspeed... so it'll take us forever to get anywhere as of current tech.
Hopefully in 100 years that'll change.

I'm saying even if we colonize the whole universe... eventually we're all going to die because all the stars will die... right?

Its possible we could escape our doom and transport dimensions to a new universe that bubbled off of ours. Though, i'm not sure how likely it is we will even survive another few hundred thousand years.

Yeah, that was precisely the point I was attempting to make, then never exactly got around to completing that thought. ;)

If we survive long enough, we'll spread out, and potentially colonize our nearby sector. Unless we figure a way to tunnel a wormhole through to a completely different end of the Universe, we'll likely be stuck in our own neighborhood.
One potential problem is if a massive star explodes, it could still wipe us all out if we're close enough (and the distance we are from each other will always be limited to how effective we are at traveling between)... or something else could happen. Hell, a more evil race than us could just come and wipe us out because we came to close to their planet. We'd probably do the same if some race set up shop in our solar system, just because we'd be threatened. Then PETA would come in and say we shouldn't kill other creatures, blah blah blah. If that happens, we should send PETA activists as negotiators. :p

Regardless, there is always something that is a potential threat. And I seriously doubt our species will live for billions of years.
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: BudAshes
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Yeah, I don't know... I figured we would all die because of entropy... Eventually all the stars will die and a super-super-massive singularity will just eat it all up. Is there something wrong with this logic? I figured eventually everything, including all the light that shot out into space at the beginning would come back after trillions/10^8738 years because of gravity, or am I wrong? Maybe a big-bang would happen again, I don't know... That's how I conceive it without any real scientific knowledge.

Well see, that's a very long time from now. Most likely will be beyond the lifespan of mankind, unless we find a way to spread ourselves through space to ensure our survival... aka human parity, our fail-safe for when one planet we're on suddenly goes lifeless for some reason. It's very theoretical numerous world-ending events can happen to Earth. One of them could render Earth like Mars, stripped of the atmosphere it once had, so our planet would be cold and yet no water ice on the surface even though obviously plenty of water exists on Earth. What happened to Mars was it's liquid metal core cooled down and solidified, stopping its magnetic shielding and letting the planet get bombarded with solar radiation, which basically nuked the atmosphere. It's likely at some point, Earth's outer core will solidify or at least partially solidify, because I cannot imagine how, with no external input, it could continue cranking the heat up enough to maintain molten. Maybe I don't know geophysics enough, but even geophysicists have argued it might happen some day far out in the future (wouldn't/couldn't happen overnight).

Okay, so I ran with random thoughts right there... but basically, we need to colonize nearby space. Then again, that won't be able to happen for awhile as 'nearby' space, as in inhabitable, is lightyears away, and we are no where near even 1% of lightspeed... so it'll take us forever to get anywhere as of current tech.
Hopefully in 100 years that'll change.

I'm saying even if we colonize the whole universe... eventually we're all going to die because all the stars will die... right?

Its possible we could escape our doom and transport dimensions to a new universe that bubbled off of ours. Though, i'm not sure how likely it is we will even survive another few hundred thousand years.

Yeah, that was precisely the point I was attempting to make, then never exactly got around to completing that thought. ;)

If we survive long enough, we'll spread out, and potentially colonize our nearby sector. Unless we figure a way to tunnel a wormhole through to a completely different end of the Universe, we'll likely be stuck in our own neighborhood.
One potential problem is if a massive star explodes, it could still wipe us all out if we're close enough (and the distance we are from each other will always be limited to how effective we are at traveling between)... or something else could happen. Hell, a more evil race than us could just come and wipe us out because we came to close to their planet. We'd probably do the same if some race set up shop in our solar system, just because we'd be threatened. Then PETA would come in and say we shouldn't kill other creatures, blah blah blah. If that happens, we should send PETA activists as negotiators. :p

Regardless, there is always something that is a potential threat. And I seriously doubt our species will live for billions of years.

I seriously doubt our species will live for a million years.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: BudAshes
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Yeah, I don't know... I figured we would all die because of entropy... Eventually all the stars will die and a super-super-massive singularity will just eat it all up. Is there something wrong with this logic? I figured eventually everything, including all the light that shot out into space at the beginning would come back after trillions/10^8738 years because of gravity, or am I wrong? Maybe a big-bang would happen again, I don't know... That's how I conceive it without any real scientific knowledge.

Well see, that's a very long time from now. Most likely will be beyond the lifespan of mankind, unless we find a way to spread ourselves through space to ensure our survival... aka human parity, our fail-safe for when one planet we're on suddenly goes lifeless for some reason. It's very theoretical numerous world-ending events can happen to Earth. One of them could render Earth like Mars, stripped of the atmosphere it once had, so our planet would be cold and yet no water ice on the surface even though obviously plenty of water exists on Earth. What happened to Mars was it's liquid metal core cooled down and solidified, stopping its magnetic shielding and letting the planet get bombarded with solar radiation, which basically nuked the atmosphere. It's likely at some point, Earth's outer core will solidify or at least partially solidify, because I cannot imagine how, with no external input, it could continue cranking the heat up enough to maintain molten. Maybe I don't know geophysics enough, but even geophysicists have argued it might happen some day far out in the future (wouldn't/couldn't happen overnight).

Okay, so I ran with random thoughts right there... but basically, we need to colonize nearby space. Then again, that won't be able to happen for awhile as 'nearby' space, as in inhabitable, is lightyears away, and we are no where near even 1% of lightspeed... so it'll take us forever to get anywhere as of current tech.
Hopefully in 100 years that'll change.

I'm saying even if we colonize the whole universe... eventually we're all going to die because all the stars will die... right?

Its possible we could escape our doom and transport dimensions to a new universe that bubbled off of ours. Though, i'm not sure how likely it is we will even survive another few hundred thousand years.

Yeah, that was precisely the point I was attempting to make, then never exactly got around to completing that thought. ;)

If we survive long enough, we'll spread out, and potentially colonize our nearby sector. Unless we figure a way to tunnel a wormhole through to a completely different end of the Universe, we'll likely be stuck in our own neighborhood.
One potential problem is if a massive star explodes, it could still wipe us all out if we're close enough (and the distance we are from each other will always be limited to how effective we are at traveling between)... or something else could happen. Hell, a more evil race than us could just come and wipe us out because we came to close to their planet. We'd probably do the same if some race set up shop in our solar system, just because we'd be threatened. Then PETA would come in and say we shouldn't kill other creatures, blah blah blah. If that happens, we should send PETA activists as negotiators. :p

Regardless, there is always something that is a potential threat. And I seriously doubt our species will live for billions of years.

I seriously doubt our species will live for a million years.

True that. We're a retarded species that has lost way with nature. But there's something to be said about the amount of fun we have this way versus living in caves and trees. :p

In the grand scheme of things, I don't care if humanity lives another 100 years. But as long as we're alive, I feel like I have found what I need to do to ensure I enjoy what I have, and in doing so provide that opportunity for others, especially my family.

I find it entertaining, when you have a different view on life - an objective, almost outside-looking-in view - from ditching illogical beliefs, you begin to realize how natural we really are. We may look advanced, but everything boils down to doing best with what we evolved with. We very advanced animals, and we behave like animals, only now we're animals with fancy things. But we suppress some of those instincts through false limitations on society, and in doing so are seriously holding back our own species. Civilization is both a blessing and a curse. It assumes we are the best we can be as a species, and thus let's go ahead and build up all these fancy things... instead of pondering...hmm, we only have history of a few thousand years, and assume no evidence of evolution in that time means we're done. Yet, as we know, it takes a hell of a long time for new species to crop up.
The only ugly thing we'd have to deal with, is what to do if we ever do evolve. Obviously there would be a split... everyone just doesn't turn into a new species. In our history, we've had a lot of war, including war with another potential human species (neanderthals).

I really need to write a book. :laugh:
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
28,799
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
WTF...was the above a combination of Star Trek and Redbook?

eh?

I wanted to ask what the hell both of those were... then I realized I know what Star Trek is... I assume you reference that due to the whole space colonization thing?
WTH is Redbook?
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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45
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i don't care what happens to humanity after I die... :) It doesn't matter to me after then, does it? :p (Unless I do cryo)
 

BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
13,991
3,348
146
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
i don't care what happens to humanity after I die... :) It doesn't matter to me after then, does it? :p (Unless I do cryo)

Well that is your problem right there. If you don't care about anyone else you will never be happy.
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
16,800
45
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Originally posted by: BudAshes
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
i don't care what happens to humanity after I die... :) It doesn't matter to me after then, does it? :p (Unless I do cryo)

Well that is your problem right there. If you don't care about anyone else you will never be happy.

I care about other people, but when I die... It doesn't matter does it? o_O