yet another Republican debate thread

[Ausm]

I want to know... are there people that take these republican debates serious? Really?
I thought the twitter that one CNN analysis talked about hit on the mark, "these people should not be running for office, they should all be locked up".
Now I know Romney is not as bat shit crazy as all the rest on that stage, but why he sold out and plays up to these tea bagger nut cases is totally beyond me.
So what if he wins them over, so what? What will he have gained?
That a bunch of bat shit crazy, Obama hating people accept him?
Is that any badge to be proud of? And what about the whores and drug addicts? Why not shoot to also win them over?
I mean... in the end... just what was all that spent effort for anyway?
That you won over a group not that much more advanced from the Bin Laden Taliban?
A group that cheers at 30 year olds dying from illness, or cheers at the suggestion some executed by a Texas governor might have actually been innocent?
A whole new meaning to those three little letters "WTF".....

I want to know...!!! On the next loosely labeled televised "debate", I want all the candidates on stage asked if they had the ability, would they hijack an airplane full of innocent people, then fly that plane head first into a building killing all aboard including themselves, so they could earn their place in a heaven of 72 waiting virgins, in order to kill off Obamacare AND social security as we know it?
I want that question asked! I want to know just how insane these people really are?
Because I have a good idea at what their answer would be. And so do we all.

I enjoyed the Debate it's between a Mormon (who doesn't have a cold chance in hell with the religious right and Perry (Who considers SS to be unconstitutional and a Ponzi Scheme) who caters to the batshit crazy of the Republican party...it's looking good for President Obama in 2012 With these facts established, the Right Wing in Congress are going to do everything in there power to nix President Obama's job bill so they can further drag down his Presidency because they KNOW that the GOP Presidential hopefuls are a fucking joke.

 

[Pens1566]

Perry is a complete joke. He's trolling the country.

 

[kage69]

Weasels, not mongooses.

That's a nasty picture of that snake.

Not that I disagree, but your pic is of otters, not weasels. Actually I think the stoat is the best example for these folks, on account of the distracting dance they rely on (particularly Bachmann)


Couldn't bring myself to watch the whole thing, just too much fail.

 

[fskimospy]

Context is everything. The question was, what if you had someone who decided willingly that they did not want insurance, that they didn't need it, who refused to get insurance. What should happen if that person ends up needing major medical care? Ron Paul basically said "that's part of freedom, you make your own decisions and live with the consequences" -- ie, too bad for you, you'll have to rely on the generosity of others for your care, it's not up to the government to pay for your stupidity. That's what several audience members agreed with and cheered.

Sounds good in theory, I'm a big fan of personal responsibility as opposed to relying on government for everything, but in emergency situations I don't want time wasted trying to determine coverage/insurance stuff. It's just not going to fly, and that means right now everyone else ends up picking up the tab when that person needs major medical care. :\

Well here's the video, people can decide for themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=irx_QXsJiao

There is a segment where Ron Paul talks about what you mentioned, and people cheer. I find that deeply misguided, but not particularly offensive. Then Blitzer follows up and says 'do you think society should just let him die'? And from there you hear a number of people in the audience cheer exactly that. (that's why I said the guy, and not the whole audience)

I've never in my life heard people enthusiastically call for the death of people like this, it was easily the most disgusting moment I have ever seen in a national televised debate. These people are truly horrifying.

 

[ultimatebob]

This is a lot of modern campaign consulting. "Obamacare has a near 100% negative among the target audience, so attack it no matter what you are asked."

They seem to forget that 45% of Americans still support Obamacare, though. How to they expect pick up any pro-Obamacare swing voters with rhetoric like this?

 

[fskimospy]

They seem to forget that 45% of Americans still support Obamacare, though. How to they expect pick up any pro-Obamacare swing voters with rhetoric like this?

It's the Republican primary, they aren't competing for the general election. The people who vote in Republican primaries are the furthest right wing people in an extremely right wing party. The proportion of voters who oppose it there is basically 100%. She's not thinking about the voting public at large, because she can't afford to.

Oh, and she's nuts.

 

[HomerJS]

Funniest review posted by Mike Murphy, GOP political strategist...

"Listening to Perry try to a put a complicated policy sentence together is like watching a chimp play with a locked suitcase"

 

[ultimatebob]

It's the Republican primary, they aren't competing for the general election. The people who vote in Republican primaries are the furthest right wing people in an extremely right wing party. The proportion of voters who oppose it there is basically 100%. She's not thinking about the voting public at large, because she can't afford to.

Oh, and she's nuts.

Yeah, but they seem to be forgetting that these things are recorded. Sure, it's profitable to kiss the tea parties asses right now, but what they're saying now is going to bite them in the ass once one of them gets the Republican nomination and goes against Obama.

You know that Obama going to use every dirty trick in the book to keep Obamacare alive... like using campaign ads with recovering cancer patents who were "saved" by his healthcare reforms. Pair that scene up with some clips coming from these Republican debates, and you have a big PR problem.

 

[PokerGuy]

They seem to forget that 45% of Americans still support Obamacare, though. How to they expect pick up any pro-Obamacare swing voters with rhetoric like this?

If someone is dumb enough to support obamacare then there's no point trying to pick up their vote, it's locked into the democrat side anyway.

 

[PokerGuy]

And from there you hear a number of people in the audience cheer exactly that.

What's wrong with people being responsible for their actions? You make your bed, you lie in it. Problem not found.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What's wrong with people being responsible for their actions? You make your bed, you lie in it. Problem not found.

Nothing wrong with being responsible. Something wrong with loudly cheering the suggestion to just let someone die.

 

[frostedflakes]

Nothing wrong with being responsible. Something wrong with loudly cheering the suggestion to just let someone die.

It was definitely in poor taste. Sounds like it was just one loon in the audience, though.

 

[fskimospy]

What's wrong with people being responsible for their actions? You make your bed, you lie in it. Problem not found.

If you don't understand it, you're far too broken a person for me to be able to explain it to you. I don't imagine this is actually the case, you're far more likely to be just an internet tough guy.

Basically you're either mentally ill, or a pathetic jackass. That's what you get when you claim not to see a problem with cheering someone's death though. You make your bed, you lie in it.

 

[alphatarget1]

Well here's the video, people can decide for themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=irx_QXsJiao

There is a segment where Ron Paul talks about what you mentioned, and people cheer. I find that deeply misguided, but not particularly offensive. Then Blitzer follows up and says 'do you think society should just let him die'? And from there you hear a number of people in the audience cheer exactly that. (that's why I said the guy, and not the whole audience)

I've never in my life heard people enthusiastically call for the death of people like this, it was easily the most disgusting moment I have ever seen in a national televised debate. These people are truly horrifying.

Ron Paul afterwards said back in the 60s, he came across something similar and a Catholic charity saved a guy who didn't have insurance, and people clapped enthusiastically. You are just biased.

 

[HomerJS]

Yeah, but they seem to be forgetting that these things are recorded. Sure, it's profitable to kiss the tea parties asses right now, but what they're saying now is going to bite them in the ass once one of them gets the Republican nomination and goes against Obama.

You know that Obama going to use every dirty trick in the book to keep Obamacare alive... like using campaign ads with recovering cancer patents who were "saved" by his healthcare reforms. Pair that scene up with some clips coming from these Republican debates, and you have a big PR problem.

Yeah like playing back their own words

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, but they seem to be forgetting that these things are recorded. Sure, it's profitable to kiss the tea parties asses right now, but what they're saying now is going to bite them in the ass once one of them gets the Republican nomination and goes against Obama.

You know that Obama going to use every dirty trick in the book to keep Obamacare alive... like using campaign ads with recovering cancer patents who were "saved" by his healthcare reforms. Pair that scene up with some clips coming from these Republican debates, and you have a big PR problem.

Obama won't really need to use any dirty tricks at all, nor will the Democrats need to. Even if they lose big in 2012, the chances of the Republicans having a filibuster proof majority in the Senate are pretty exceedingly small. Any attempt to repeal the health care bill will simply be filibustered to death, no dirty tricks needed. (or at least no dirtier tricks than those which were used to try and prevent it) They might try and scare voters with Republicans trying to return to the bad old days of our health care system, but it's not an actual threat.

If Bachmann said a bunch of moderate sounding things, she would lose the primary and then it wouldn't matter that she might not have hurt herself by saying dumb things. That's why you generally see the front runners saying moderate sounding things. Perry seems to be an exception to this, but I fully expect him to lose the primary. (I hope he doesn't, because he would be an easy candidate to defeat in the general election)

 

[fskimospy]

Ron Paul afterwards said back in the 60s, he came across something similar and a Catholic charity saved a guy who didn't have insurance, and people clapped enthusiastically. You are just biased.

What you just wrote made no sense whatsoever. It didn't address what I wrote or the part of the video I was writing about.

 

[kage69]

Funniest review posted by Mike Murphy, GOP political strategist...

"Listening to Perry try to a put a complicated policy sentence together is like watching a chimp play with a locked suitcase"

I'm glad to finally see some conservatives wake up about this, I just wish it could have happened a little more back in 2000.

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for this realization to spread. The vast majority of conservatives didn't make a peep when Bush showed how ignorant he was on stem cell research and funding. I expect they would behave similarly for a slightly less retarded, more religious figure like Perry.

 

[PokerGuy]

If you don't understand it, you're far too broken a person for me to be able to explain it to you.

Why should the government have to pick up the tab for someone who willfully decided they didn't want to pick up that tab for themselves despite being able to do so?? Not talking about those who aren't able to pay for themselves, the example was specifically for someone who could pay but simply did not want to. Why should the government pay for his care?

 

[PokerGuy]

Even if they lose big in 2012, the chances of the Republicans having a filibuster proof majority in the Senate are pretty exceedingly small. Any attempt to repeal the health care bill will simply be filibustered to death, no dirty tricks needed.

Sadly, this is true. I like Romney's idea: if you can't reverse the law, provide every company and every state in the country a waiver, and with firm control of the house, remove all funding from any aspect of obamacare. That's the best the country can hope for.

 

[fskimospy]

Why should the government have to pick up the tab for someone who willfully decided they didn't want to pick up that tab for themselves despite being able to do so?? Not talking about those who aren't able to pay for themselves, the example was specifically for someone who could pay but simply did not want to. Why should the government pay for his care?

Maybe when the health care bill goes into effect we can get you some psychological treatment, you clearly need it.

There is a large difference between supporting policies that you believe are for the greater good which happen to have the unfortunate effect of allowing such a person to die, and cheering the fact that such a person would die. The mere fact that I need to explain this to you speaks volumes about how broken your brain must be.

 

[Ausm]

If someone is dumb enough to support obamacare then there's no point trying to pick up their vote, it's locked into the democrat side anyway.

If anyone believed that America's healthcare system didn't need to be fixed is truly out of touch with reality...I do agree that the Healthcare bill is MUCH waeaker then it needed to be though. I have been working in the private sector for 35 years. I can't remember one time when the company I worked for got a different Healthcare insurance provider and I came out of that meeting say WOW my costs went down and my coverage is much better now!

 

[nageov3t]

If anyone believed that America's healthcare system didn't need to be fixed is truly out of touch with reality...I do agree that the Healthcare bill is MUCH waeaker then it needed to be though.

most people would agree that America's healthcare system is in serious need of reforms.

I would argue that Obamacare doesn't reform the system at all, and instead, simply mandates that all Americans buy into said broken system or else.

it's like Congress passing a bill requiring all Americans to buy an Edsel.

 

[Ausm]

most people would agree that America's healthcare system is in serious need of reforms.

I would argue that Obamacare doesn't reform the system at all, and instead, simply mandates that all Americans buy into said broken system or else.

it's like Congress passing a bill requiring all Americans to buy an Edsel.

Everyone has personal healthcare needs but not everyone needs a car.

 

[werepossum]

most people would agree that America's healthcare system is in serious need of reforms.

I would argue that Obamacare doesn't reform the system at all, and instead, simply mandates that all Americans buy into said broken system or else.

it's like Congress passing a bill requiring all Americans to buy an Edsel.

This is my biggest problem with it.
Problem: People can't afford to buy health insurance.
Solution: We MAKE them buy health insurance.

I'm a big fan of Romneycare. I think every state should be trying to provide health care to 100% of its citizens. I just don't think that a huge, bloated one-size-fits-all federal program is a smart way to do it. I'm much rather see fifty different solutions competing in the market of states, with each state free to adopt the best solution.