Yet Another Institutional Racism Thread: Exhibit X

UNCjigga

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Is it time to start a catch-all thread for real, present-day examples of institutional racism alive and at work in the US? Since we’re no longer allowed to talk about this in schools, I figured it might be worthwhile?

Let’s start with exhibit A1: Jury selection in the Ahmaud Arbery case.
Defense attorneys removed 11 of the 12 Black potential jurors Wednesday, ensuring that the three white men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery will face a nearly all-white jury in their trial.

How’s that for “a jury of your peers”!

Now here’s the institutional racism part:

“[Prosecutors asked] Judge Timothy Walmsley to reseat eight of them. Prosecutors argued the Black panelists were removed from the jury pool simply because of their race. Walmsley declined to reseat them, citing state law, even as he acknowledged the racial overtones of the case.

"This court has found that there appears to be intentional discrimination on the panel," the judge said, "but that doesn't mean the court has the authority to reseat simply because we have this prima facie case."

Boom. There it is. That’s it. Nevermind that the judge agrees there’s intentional discrimination happening. Nevermind that 26% of the community is black while only 8% of the jury is black. Nothing can be done about it! The Judge’s hands are tied!! Why? Because the law has no recourse! That’s what institutional racism IS! It is often the ABSENCE of law or mechanisms to correct for scenarios like this.

I’m not saying that 11 white jurors will automatically acquit the 3 defendants. It’s quite possible (even likely) that they may decide the case fairly, impartially and either acquit or convict these defendants accordingly. But it doesn’t matter what they do—institutional racism has already impacted the case. The bar (or goalposts) of justice for Arbery’s family have already been moved.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Is it time to start a catch-all thread for real, present-day examples of institutional racism alive and at work in the US? Since we’re no longer allowed to talk about this in schools, I figured it might be worthwhile?

Let’s start with exhibit A1: Jury selection in the Ahmaud Arbery case.
Defense attorneys removed 11 of the 12 Black potential jurors Wednesday, ensuring that the three white men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery will face a nearly all-white jury in their trial.

How’s that for “a jury of your peers”!

Now here’s the institutional racism part:

“[Prosecutors asked] Judge Timothy Walmsley to reseat eight of them. Prosecutors argued the Black panelists were removed from the jury pool simply because of their race. Walmsley declined to reseat them, citing state law, even as he acknowledged the racial overtones of the case.

"This court has found that there appears to be intentional discrimination on the panel," the judge said, "but that doesn't mean the court has the authority to reseat simply because we have this prima facie case."

Boom. There it is. That’s it. Nevermind that the judge agrees there’s intentional discrimination happening. Nevermind that 26% of the community is black while only 8% of the jury is black. Nothing can be done about it! The Judge’s hands are tied!! Why? Because the law has no recourse! That’s what institutional racism IS! It is often the ABSENCE of law or mechanisms to correct for scenarios like this.

I’m not saying that 11 white jurors will automatically acquit the 3 defendants. It’s quite possible (even likely) that they may decide the case fairly, impartially and either acquit or convict these defendants accordingly. But it doesn’t matter what they do—institutional racism has already impacted the case. The bar (or goalposts) of justice for Arbery’s family have already been moved.
That judge admitting that there was intentional discrimination on the jury panel but refusing to do anything about it should be grounds for a) a mistrial and b) disbarment. Absolutely disgusting.
 

UNCjigga

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That judge admitting that there was intentional discrimination on the jury panel but refusing to do anything about it should be grounds for a) a mistrial and b) disbarment. Absolutely disgusting.

Hey may not be in the wrong judicially—he’s relying on state law, not federal law. Georgia may not have anything on the books to address this.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Hey may not be in the wrong judicially—he’s relying on state law, not federal law. Georgia may not have anything on the books to address this.
Does the judge not have the ability to tell them both to fuck off (so as not to appear one-sided), get an entirely new panel in, as well as new prosecution/defense?
 

UNCjigga

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Does the judge not have the ability to tell them both to fuck off (so as not to appear one-sided), get an entirely new panel in, as well as new prosecution/defense?

Not sure. Maybe he’s just letting things play out and washing his hands of it. Maybe he wants to avoid a potential mistrial or overturn on appeal if he gets too involved. I can’t speak to what’s going on in his head.
 

HomerJS

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Hey may not be in the wrong judicially—he’s relying on state law, not federal law. Georgia may not have anything on the books to address this.
It's the history of the south. Black people were found guilty and executed based on all white juries. Because black people took the brunt they didn't see a need to fix it in law.
 
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nakedfrog

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"You can't have black jurors because they will be biased"
- Then what's with all the white jurors?
Gosh, everybody knows white people are the default from which bias is determined, JUST THE WAY OUR WHITE GOD INTENDED IT!

/s
 

UNCjigga

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In that area? Almost seems like a slam dunk. But what do I know....I only grew up in GA.

I guess the point I’m trying to make is that it isn’t about whether or not the defense attorneys are biased/racist, the white jurors are biased/racist or whether the judge is biased/racist—that’s besides the point. They don’t have to be—racism has already reared it’s ugly head in this jury selection process regardless of the actions/beliefs of these individuals.
 
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Don't think about pink elephants. See, I didn't tell you to think about a pink elephant. If you're thinking about a pink elephant, how is it my fault that you are now thinking about a pink elephant? In fact, I seem to remember saying at the start to not think about a pink elephant, so you thinking about a pink elephant is your fault. I absolutely don't want you to think about a pink elephant.

The whole voir dire process is a complete joke. I didn't ask the potential juror if they were black, so my dismissal request was totally not race based! Look at the record, did I ask them if they were black?!?

Hilariously tragic, and a great representation of the United States as a whole.
 
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Amol S.

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Is it time to start a catch-all thread for real, present-day examples of institutional racism alive and at work in the US? Since we’re no longer allowed to talk about this in schools, I figured it might be worthwhile?

Let’s start with exhibit A1: Jury selection in the Ahmaud Arbery case.
Defense attorneys removed 11 of the 12 Black potential jurors Wednesday, ensuring that the three white men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery will face a nearly all-white jury in their trial.

How’s that for “a jury of your peers”!

Now here’s the institutional racism part:

“[Prosecutors asked] Judge Timothy Walmsley to reseat eight of them. Prosecutors argued the Black panelists were removed from the jury pool simply because of their race. Walmsley declined to reseat them, citing state law, even as he acknowledged the racial overtones of the case.

"This court has found that there appears to be intentional discrimination on the panel," the judge said, "but that doesn't mean the court has the authority to reseat simply because we have this prima facie case."

Boom. There it is. That’s it. Nevermind that the judge agrees there’s intentional discrimination happening. Nevermind that 26% of the community is black while only 8% of the jury is black. Nothing can be done about it! The Judge’s hands are tied!! Why? Because the law has no recourse! That’s what institutional racism IS! It is often the ABSENCE of law or mechanisms to correct for scenarios like this.

I’m not saying that 11 white jurors will automatically acquit the 3 defendants. It’s quite possible (even likely) that they may decide the case fairly, impartially and either acquit or convict these defendants accordingly. But it doesn’t matter what they do—institutional racism has already impacted the case. The bar (or goalposts) of justice for Arbery’s family have already been moved.
There should have been 6 white and 6 black jurors, that would not be racism.
 
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — A Tennessee appeals court has granted a new trial for a Black man who was convicted of aggravated assault by an all-white jury that deliberated in a room containing Confederate symbols.

The Tennessee Court of Criminal Appeals ruled Friday that Tim Gilbert deserves a new trial on charges stemming from a December 2018 altercation, The Tennessean reported.

Gilbert was sentenced to six years in prison after his conviction on charges of aggravated assault, reckless endangerment, unlawful possession of a weapon by a convicted felon and resisting arrest.

His attorney appealed, arguing that Gilbert's right to a fair trial was violated because the jury deliberated in a room adorned with an antique Confederate flag and a portrait of Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

The appeal court’s ruling came after a circuit court judge denied Gilbert’s motion for a new trial.

The appeals court ruling said that allowing the jury to decide whether Gilbert was innocent or guilty in a room at the Giles County Courthouse maintained by the United Daughters of the Confederacy “exposed the jury to extraneous prejudicial information and violated his constitutional rights to a fair trial conducted by an impartial jury.”

The trial court also made a mistake by allowing a challenged witness statement, an error that “cannot be classified as harmless,” the appeals court said.


I mean, c'mon .... really??
 

MrSquished

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I'm pretty sure the white trump base in the shithole South thinks they are oppressed, the black man has all the privilege, and the Confederate flag stands for sweet tea and bbq ribs, or whatever they consider southern heritage.

I know because they literally say this shit.

What horrific people.
 

Leeea

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I don't know if the guy did it or not, but seems like some major rights violations here.




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That my friends is why you do not go to the deep south.

Drive around if you can.

If you have to drive through, fill up and use the bathroom before entering the state, drive with the flow of traffic in the slower lane, and drive straight through without stopping.
 

HomerJS

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That my friends is why you do not go to the deep south.

Drive around if you can.

If you have to drive through, fill up and use the bathroom before entering the state, drive with the flow of traffic in the slower lane, and drive straight through without stopping.
Another good rule, stay on the interstate. I learned that while working in West Va.

BTW - I though our resident 12 white sheet apologists claim systemic racism doesn't exist.
 

MrSquished

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Another good rule, stay on the interstate. I learned that while working in West Va.

BTW - I though our resident 12 white sheet apologists claim systemic racism doesn't exist.
The whole trump base thinks systemic racism doesn't exist, while they fly the fucking Confederate flag. Hell, they literally think whites are the most oppressed.

These people are ill at best, but mostly evil
 
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He was sent to prison by a corrupt Boston police detective. Now, 26 years later, prosecutors want him freed

www.bostonglobe.com.ico
The Boston Globe|16 minutes ago
A review of the decades-old conviction of James Lucien found that key evidence went missing and crucial witnesses were coached or ignored, and "significant evidence of police misconduct and perjured testimony.




These are not isolated cases. How did the system get so broken? How many more are in prison that simply did not do what they were accused of?