Yet another Car Wreck thread

Arkaign

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Well, last evening my GF and I were driving to pick up some pet supplies and other stuff, and she was driving her '06 Kia Rio. She took the clover turn off of the NB access road from I-35E in Lewisville, TX to get onto WB FM 3040/Roundgrove Rd. The WB traffic on Roundgrove is pretty aggressive, and a lot of drivers try to get from the far left or middle lanes all the way to the right lane as they go over the bridge, so it bears caution coming off of this ramp.

She got to the yield sign, slowed down to let traffic clear, and WHAM, we got hit in the back by a truck that was probably doing 30mph or so. I get out, and he's pulling alongside, I pick up a piece of shattered taillight from the road. The traffic is beginning to pile up behind us, and he suggests that we cross the bridge (all you can do from that point in the road, there's no left turn, only merge with 3040 and go over) and pull into the first parking lot. I'm thinking that's a bit shady, but staying here with two operable vehicles and no obvious injuries blocking traffic sounds bad, so I say okay.

So we cross the bridge, and start to pull into the first parking lot, he makes a little movement like he's going to pull in, and then he just floors it and takes off. Luckily for us, the girl that was behind him on the clover ramp had written his license plate down, and she pulled in and gave it to us, and she stayed long enough to fill out a complete police witness report form. We called the cops, Lewisville sent one cruiser over, and we gave all the info to the officer. He was polite, but not extremely comforting really. I guess this kind of thing happens constantly. We also called GF's insurance company, and until we track this guy down and nail him, her insurance company is going to handle things, which unfortunately means a deductible and all of that mess.

Well, hindsight is 20/20, but I shouldn't have let the guy run off in the first place. I should have blocked his path or made him take his truck off-road and forcibly take his keys from him. He was on his cell phone when he hit us, stayed on his cell phone while briefly talking to me, and was on his cell phone when he blew by us. I should have shoved that cell phone so far up his ass he could talk hands-free from the back of his throat. :p

Anyhow, the guy was in his early-mid 40s, medium brown hair, clean shaven, medium build probably 150lbs, and slightly short at around 5'7", 5'8". I didn't see him standing, but he looked pretty small in his truck, and he was sitting upright and not slouched. I was probably less than two feet from him for about 20-30 seconds. He was driving a late-model Chevy Colorado (or one of the variants), regular cab, no camper or other non-standard stuff on it. His front bumper was knocked into the truck about 8 inches or so, and his license plate was significantly deformed. The guy spoke understandable english, but slurred his words slightly, could be a speech impediment but I'm thinking he was sightly drunk/buzzed.

What I'd like to know is given that I have a really good description and full TX plate, should I do any legwork on locating this dirtbag, or purely let the cops do that? I ask because we really didn't get any estimate on when or even if the 'hit and run' section would be getting back to us. We were also informed that a non-injury hit and run offense is only a misdemeanor in Texas. Given the severity of the offense, it should at least be a Felony imho.
 

PricklyPete

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Wow...sorry to hear about that...what crap shoot. Glad both of you are ok. I would say let the cops handle it at this point and see where that leads. That guy is a serious douchebag.
 

PhoKingGuy

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Put his license plate and car description on /b along with a pic of your GF. I think your problem will be taken care of in a few minutes
 

ElFenix

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What I'd like to know is given that I have a really good description and full TX plate, should I do any legwork on locating this dirtbag, or purely let the cops do that? I ask because we really didn't get any estimate on when or even if the 'hit and run' section would be getting back to us. We were also informed that a non-injury hit and run offense is only a misdemeanor in Texas. Given the severity of the offense, it should at least be a Felony imho.

give the info to your insurance. they will be able to pull that guy's records. if he's got insurance, they will be going after it.
 

Iron Woode

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give the info to your insurance. they will be able to pull that guy's records. if he's got insurance, they will be going after it.
This.

Your insurance company can get more info on this guy than you would ever be able to.

Plus here that is considered hit and run and he would be arrested by the police.
 

boomhower

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With that info he shouldn't be hard to track down. If he is not the owner of the truck the owner will be held responsible until he discloses who was driving it.

You actually did the correct thing by moving. In most states you are supposed to move the vehicles off the road if there are no injuries in the accident. If there was no place to get off the road where you were and had no choice but to move to the parking lot then that is just a crappy situation but I don't see where you did anything wrong.

Forcibly taking the keys from him is strong armed robbery, a fairly serious felony and hence not a great idea.

Between the cops and insurance company they will get it sorted out.
 

zoiks

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That extremely sucks man. Hopefully this will not be a headache for you and your gf.
 

Arkaign

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At least no one was hurt. You still have your GF and that guy will have a new BF.

ROFL :)

Thanks, guys, I guess the best course is just to let the insurance agents take the lead. I'd guess that they would be the ones most interested given the money at stake. The cop seemed extremely indifferent and noncommittal about the whole thing, maybe he was just having a long day.
 

Evadman

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Blocking someone from running off will result in an altercation that may not have a happy ending. If someone wants to run off, just let him. Tell the cops/insurance what happened, give descriptions and be done with it. That's what insurance is for.
 

Arkaign

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Blocking someone from running off will result in an altercation that may not have a happy ending. If someone wants to run off, just let him. Tell the cops/insurance what happened, give descriptions and be done with it. That's what insurance is for.

I understand, but the reality is that if the other person is never caught, you're stuck paying your deductible (this is also true I guess if the other person simply has no insurance at all).

It's just a shitty situation. We're lucky in that the description and full plate are at least available to hopefully locate and nail this guy. I'm glad my 3 year old wasn't in the car, we were planning on taking him to Chuck E Cheese, but he wasn't feeling well so he stayed with the sitter. If he had been hurt in the wreck I think I would have gone apeshit.
 

darom

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What I'd like to know is given that I have a really good description and full TX plate, should I do any legwork on locating this dirtbag, or purely let the cops do that? I ask because we really didn't get any estimate on when or even if the 'hit and run' section would be getting back to us.

You don't have to do anything. Your insurance company has enough information (at least if it were to happen in CA) to waive your deductible. The police report is a big plus, of course.

'Hit and run' won't get back at you - you weren't at fault, your rates won't go up and you won't get any points on your record.
 

Evadman

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I understand, but the reality is that if the other person is never caught, you're stuck paying your deductible (this is also true I guess if the other person simply has no insurance at all).

Only if you have a crappy insurance company, or you (hopefully) get a discount for assuming that risk. My insurance company does not charge me my deductible unless I am found 'at fault'.
 

Arkaign

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Only if you have a crappy insurance company, or you (hopefully) get a discount for assuming that risk. My insurance company does not charge me my deductible unless I am found 'at fault'.

Ah cool, I guess we will find out then. I have a USAF buddy here in TX that got hit by an uninsured drunk driver, and although he wasn't at fault, he had to pay his $500 deductible, though he got a $250 check from them several months later for some reason.
 

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Last fall, my sister was sideswiped while I was in the car. We were on a very busy highway and she immediately pulled over onto the ample shoulder (interstate intersection was coming up so the road was widening). The driver of the other car drove away and made a quick turn. As my sister was on the phone with her insurance company, I was on the phone with the police.
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Then, the driver did a drive by and we got his plate number. Amazing that the guy was stupid enough to drive past WHILE we were stopped and on phones and he still didn't pull over. My sister read it off to her insurance company and I read it off to the police. The cop showed up and took down the information. My sister was a wreck and chain smoking. I was pretty okay but then I wasn't driving. I told the cop we should make a scene and have me "getting arrested" with my legs spread and hands on the trunk but the cop was all business.

That same night, they found the guy's car with the traded paint. Automatically his fault and that was that. His insurance paid for repair and my sister was offered to press charges for him avoiding responsibility. Turns out he was still in college and this would be an automatic misdemeanor and possibly a felony depending on damages. She asked the police to put the fear of God in him and then let him off on the criminal charges.

Side note, several people asked if we were in distress and offered assistance while we were waiting for the cop to show, even on a busy Saturday evening. Very cool feeling that people cared.
 

KentState

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My brother and I were coming out a Reds game a couple summers ago. Walking up the the parking lot, we see the guy and girl parked next to us toss a bunch of empty beer cans out of their car. The girl jumps in and starts backing out, but I guess she was just too drunk to drive. So they switch drivers, he backups up straight into a car parked behind him, throws it into drive, almost hits my car and takes off. Luckily my brother has a great memory and caught the guys plate. We wait for the owners of the other car to show and they call the cops to give the plate.

Later that evening, the cops call to verify the make and model and let my brother know they found the cars owner's house. Hopefully, they got a nice ticket for fleeing.
 

exdeath

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Blocking someone from running off will result in an altercation that may not have a happy ending. If someone wants to run off, just let him. Tell the cops/insurance what happened, give descriptions and be done with it. That's what insurance is for.

If the guy has to go through you to get out, it becomes a deadly threat to you and you are obligated to defend yourself... just saying. If you are standing in the path of their car and they put it in gear, it's legally the same as pointing a gun at you, threatening deadly force, which then gives you free reign to do what you need to do to defend yourself (same reason cops shoot at the driver when the driver operates the vehicle in the vicinity of offices on foot around the vehicle). It's all about escalation and making the other guy act unlawfully in order to justify your response. As long as you ride that thin line barely not crossing it and CYA, you can't help what the other person does. Make their actions justify yours.

Two things I always carry in my car: a camera (film camera, no batteries), and at least a handgun. More than likely if you bust out of your car and start snapping pictures (them, their car, their plates) immediately, they know they are fucked and won't bother to run. And if they get offensive and road rage on you, you're prepared.
 
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alkemyst

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that sucks, but you block me or attempt to take my keys from me and that may be the time I decide to use deadly force against you.

Take a picture. Write the plate down. Call the police.
 

LTC8K6

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You don't escalate a fender bender by attempting to stop someone from leaving, and then further escalate it by pulling out a gun. You let the creep leave and give the info to the police and let them and your insurance co worry about it. That's what you pay taxes and insurance for.

A deductible is not a good reason to turn a fender bender into attempted murder, on anyone's part.
 

CptCrunch

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I got hit by a guy with no insurance a few months back. He was going to just leave because he had a court appointment meeting in 20 minutes and I said that it was up to him. I took out my blackberry and snapped pictures of my car, his car, the street, the damage, then i looked him straight in the eye and said "smile" and took a picture of him. As soon as I did that, he no longer wanted to leave.

I have Grange Insurance and my insurance agent put on a Personal Auto Plus Endorsement on my plan, it is $13 every 6 months. It gives me the deductible back if the other driver is 50&#37; or more at fault and is underinsured/uninsured. I got my deductible back from them after his insurance company denied the claim without any problems from Grange. I will always have the same kind of coverage as I do now, $13 saved me $500.

I wouldn't block the truck either, but before we moved the vehicle, I'd take a bunch of pictures. My car, his car, him, accident location, license plates, the works. You just never know these days.
 

Mermaidman

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that sucks, but you block me or attempt to take my keys from me and that may be the time I decide to use deadly force against you.
Gee . . . So what do you do when you're actually threatened with bodily harm? Kill the guy and his extended family, and piss on his ancestors graves?

Arkaign--You're among the best contributors here in The Garage, so you'd better keep this thread updated. :)
 

lurk3r

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Sorry to hear man, the reality is its $500, shrug it off if your insurance company can't get it back for you, and lol @ all the phony internet thugs in this tread, I'd love to see you pull a gun or try to restrain some drunk in a pickup ... I mean, ya you should hunt him down and kill him and his kids and his dog, and burn his house down and shit on his grave, that can't possibly backfire.