Yet another autocratic regime falls...China looks on worryingly

Narmer

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I read a book last summer called "China's Communist Party: Atrophy and Adaptation". In it, it showed how the Communist government learned from the mistakes of the ex-Soviet republics. Well, with rising protests in China (there are usually 10,000/year), the latest fall of yet another autocratic regime should have them worrying again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/world/asia/08bishkek.html?hp

Upheaval in Kyrgyzstan as Leader Flees
By CLIFFORD J. LEVY
MOSCOW — Large-scale protests appeared to overthrow the government of Kyrgyzstan on Wednesday and its president fled before an outbreak of mayhem and violence in the capital of Bishkek and elsewhere in the country, an important Amerian ally in Central Asia. Government officials said at least 41 people had been killed in fighting between riot police officers and demonstrators.

While the opposition declared that it was forming its own government, President Kurmanbek Bakiyev left Bishkek in the presidential plane, though it was not clear whether he was leaving the country or heading to another Kyrgyz city. Earlier in the day, the police used live ammunition, tear gas and stun grenades against a crowd of thousands that massed in front of the presidential office in Bishkek, according to witness accounts.

Dinara Saginbayeva, a Kyrgyz health official, said in a telephone interview that at least 41 people had been killed, “but it could end up being much more.” She said more than 350 people had been wounded in Bishkek alone, with scores of others wounded in protests around the country.

Opposition leaders said the toll could be as high as 100 people.

The upheaval raised questions about the future of an important American air base that operates in Kyrgyzstan in support of the NATO mission in nearby Afghanistan. American officials said that as of Wednesday evening the base was functioning normally.

It also posed a potential embarrassment for the Obama administration, which angered the Kyrgyz opposition last summer by courting Mr. Bakiyev in an ultimately successful attempt to reverse his decision to close the base.

Tensions had been growing in Kyrgyzstan over what human rights groups contended were the increasingly repressive policies of President Bakiyev, but it appeared that the immediate catalyst for the violence was anger over a reported quadrupling in the prices for utilities.

Mr. Bakiyev made no public comment on Wednesday, and an official at the airport in Bishkek said in a telephone interview that Mr. Bakiyev took off from the airport in the early evening. The airport official said Mr. Bakiyev was flying to Osh, a major city in the southern part of the country, but that could not be confirmed.

On Wednesday afternoon, fighting continued in the streets of Bishkek and other provincial centers. Video shot by protesters and uploaded to the Internet showed scenes of people clashing with and in some cases pushing back heavily armed riot police.

Reports from Bishkek said crowds of opposition members had entered government offices as well as those of the national television channels.

Dmitri Kabak, director of a local human rights group in Bishkek, said in a telephone interview that he was monitoring the protest on the central square when riot police officers started shooting. He said he had the sense that the officers had panicked and were not being supervised.

“When people started marching toward the presidential office, snipers on the roof of the office started to open fire, with live bullets,” Mr. Kabak said. “I saw several people who were killed right there on the square.”

The United States Embassy in Bishkek issued a statement saying that it was “deeply concerned about reports of civil disturbances.”

By late evening in Bishkek, it appeared that the opposition had succeeded in taking over the national television channels. In a speech to the nation, an opposition leader, Omurbek Tekebaev, a former speaker of Parliament, demanded that Mr. Bakiyev and the rest of his government resign.

Mr. Tekebaev was arrested earlier in the day along with some other opposition leaders, but later released.

Kyrgyzstan, with five million people in the mountains of Central Asia, is one of the poorest countries of the former Soviet Union, and has long been troubled by political conflict and corruption.

On Wednesday, the Kyrgyz government accused the opposition of provoking violence. “Their goal is to create instability and confrontation in society,” the Kyrgyz Parliament said in a statement.

The government said it would deal severely with the protesters, but they did not appear to be deterred. The first unrest occurred on Tuesday in the provincial center of Talas, when opposition members stormed government offices.

Russia, which also has military facilities in Kyrgyzstan and a close relationship with the government, appealed for calm.

“We believe that it is important that under the circumstances, all current issues should be resolved in a lawful manner,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

Mr. Bakiyev easily won another term as president as president last year over Mr. Atambaev in an election that independent monitors said was tainted by massive fraud.

Mr. Bakiyev first took office in 2005 after the Tulip Revolution, the third in what was seen at the time as a series of so-called color revolutions that offered hope of more democratic governments in former Soviet republics.

But since then, he has consolidated power, cracking down on the opposition and independent news outlets.
 

halik

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European looking muslims with asian eyes and russian names... so confused.
 
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Moonbeam

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Utilities went up 400%? Every idiot knows that if you boil frogs real slow you don't need a lid on your pot.
 

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The world keeps on a changing for the better or the worse, from the rocking of the cradle to the rolling of the Hearst.

404 link to China not found, but I wonder if Afghan instability is also a cause? Yet another place where government corruption runs rampant.
 
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Lemon law

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didn't see that one coming.
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Either did King Louie of France, the Shah of Iran, and a long list of other idiots. They still got the old heave ho from an enraged population of the angry governed people.

The big loser may be the US, who may lose a key military base supporting the Afghan war.
 
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Patranus

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Obama is projecting weakness around the world and the Russians are taking advantage of the situation.

The current situation has Russia's fingerprint all over it.

Watch the USA give up their air base in the country.
 

Moonbeam

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Obama is projecting weakness around the world and the Russians are taking advantage of the situation.

The current situation has Russia's fingerprint all over it.

Watch the USA give up their air base in the country.

You were made to feel like a sissy who pees in his pants and now you project your insecurity out on the world. You look for strength and power to hide you shitty butt in the hopes nobody will smell your fear. Get a fucking spine, you worm.
 

Zorkorist

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Obama is projecting weakness around the world and the Russians are taking advantage of the situation.

The current situation has Russia's fingerprint all over it.

Watch the USA give up their air base in the country.
You're saying that people fighting for freedom in ZXYXYZXY, has Russia's signature on it?

Russia's signature is to beat people into submission.

-John
 

SunSamurai

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You were made to feel like a sissy who pees in his pants and now you project your insecurity out on the world. You look for strength and power to hide you shitty butt in the hopes nobody will smell your fear. Get a fucking spine, you worm.

Easy to talk like that behind a computer. Satire or not.
 

TwinsenTacquito

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What's China got to fear? They keep the rich in their hyper capitalist paradises and rape the poor on the mainland. Not until the rich side with the poor are you going to see anything happen. I don't see it.

I am naive and never see war coming though.
 

Colt45

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5 years ago they had a revolution; Apparently things still weren't working out, so it's time for another. Whatever. I don't see a connection to China, at all. None.

The current (err last ~5 years) ruler wasn't too hot on the American airbase, and tried to shut it down, so I'm not entirely sure what they're on about. The replacement is going to be even less cooperative?
 

Narmer

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5 years ago they had a revolution; Apparently things still weren't working out, so it's time for another. Whatever. I don't see a connection to China, at all. None.

The current (err last ~5 years) ruler wasn't too hot on the American airbase, and tried to shut it down, so I'm not entirely sure what they're on about. The replacement is going to be even less cooperative?

Obama wrote a personal letter to the now-deposed president praising him. This pissed off the opposition. Now they may get their revenge, although siding with Russia is a long-term losing prospect.

As for China in this, protests have a habit of spewing out of control, especially over economics compared to politics. With their countless economic protests, the Chinese government should not easily dismiss reports of inflation, economic misallocation, etc...
 

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um, yeah... china is watching and laughing that the us crony is getting whacked and that the crony couldn't even get enough firepower to ward off some peasants...

we all know how things like this in prc end up...
 

Moonbeam

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Easy to talk like that behind a computer. Satire or not.

But Patranus shit on my computer screen so I was wiping it off. Remind him it's easy to be a moron on the computer. He's an asshole who needs attention so I gave it to him. You are a little slow, but that's OK. You're probably just a little punk who is used to punching people who says things you don't like, and here you are on the internet stripped of your physical threats and feeling bereft.

If it is any comfort to you it doesn't matter in the slightest what is said to Patranus. He is unaffected because he's brain dead. His idea of living is to shit and shit and shit and watch people wretch.
 

DesiPower

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did you just compare a fail boat country with no money and no jobs and 5mil pop to China, one of the fastest growing economy..

its like saying the hamster was run over by a bicycle, the elephant should be scared... the streets are getting busier...
 
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Patranus

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What's China got to fear? They keep the rich in their hyper capitalist paradises and rape the poor on the mainland. Not until the rich side with the poor are you going to see anything happen. I don't see it.

I am naive and never see war coming though.

One of the biggest pipe lines for oil into China runs through the country.