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(Yet) a(nother) reason not to buy iPods...

Notice that this is Foxconn and not apple... because I sure did.

Everything is made in China in crappy conditions. Ask walmart where they get all their crap from and what conditions their workers live in.
 
Originally posted by: Paulson
Notice that this is Foxconn and not apple... because I sure did.

Everything is made in China in crappy conditions. Ask walmart where they get all their crap from and what conditions their workers live in.
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a) Apple contracts Foxconn, what difference does it make? Do you think Apple is just ignorant, or apathetic of these conditions?
b) Wtf does Wal-mart have anything to do with this? If you want to equate Apple and Wal-mart then, then I'm fine with that. It's just kind of funny how some people make Apple out to be the "good" guy battling the evil empire of Microsoft, while criticizing corporations like Wal-Mart (who I imagine also contracts companies that they get their products from..and not actually own the factories) for the same practices.

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
soooooo....

you must know jack of where plenty of your electronics and clothing comes from.
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Japan, Taiwan, Korea, etc.. have their workers jailed in plants with no outisde contact allowed?
 
this is Foxconn. not apple. true apple order the ipods from Foxconn, but they don't control the work standards of Foxconn. and another question, do you ever buy anything manufactured in china? absolutly. they are all made in similar conditions.
 
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: Paulson
Notice that this is Foxconn and not apple... because I sure did.

Everything is made in China in crappy conditions. Ask walmart where they get all their crap from and what conditions their workers live in.
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a) Apple contracts Foxconn, what difference does it make?
b) Wtf does Wal-mart have anything to do with this? If you want to equate Apple and Wal-mart then, then I'm fine with that. It's just kind of funny how some people make Apple out to be the "good" guy battling the evil empire of Microsoft, while criticizing corporations like Wal-Mart (who I imagine also contracts companies that they get their products from..and not actually own the factories) for the same practices.
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Who are you talking about? The real battle is Linux vs Windows... and boy do I have some linux dirt for you that you can make a thread about.

Did you know that ~90% of all linux programmers are unpaid! It's worse than $50/month, it's slave labor I tell you!!!
 
No major company is "good"... They're all evil trying to get money money money.

Apple contracts foxconn, so what? It's not like Steve Jobs put a gun to the CEO's head of Foxconn and told him to put all those chinese people in sh!tty housing with piss poor pay. He gave them a contract that foxconn probably couldn't afford and rather than them losing it to someone else they got into some unrealistic goal and had to put so many people into such crappy lifestyles.

The government contracts Haliburton, are they a good company? Hell no! But does that mean our Government is absolutely evil (well they probably are but by everyone else's standards) no!
 
Dont knock a good thing. $50 buys a lot of ramen in China. If theres no other jobs, even a crappy one like that is still a job. Otherwise, go find another one. :light:
 
Foxconn makes a lot of sh|t. I have 3 IBMs sitting in my room right now and all 3 have foxconn written all over their cases and cables.
 
Dude....Foxconn is probably in every computer. They make interconnects and stuff. They make the AGP slots and PCI slots that get attached to motherboards, and cables and things like that. AMP is another popular one IIRC, and I doubt they lavishly pay their employees.
 
Originally posted by: Paulson
No major company is "good"... They're all evil trying to get money money money.

Apple contracts foxconn, so what? It's not like Steve Jobs put a gun to the CEO's head of Foxconn and told him to put all those chinese people in sh!tty housing with piss poor pay. He gave them a contract that foxconn probably couldn't afford and rather than them losing it to someone else they got into some unrealistic goal and had to put so many people into such crappy lifestyles.

The government contracts Haliburton, are they a good company? Hell no! But does that mean our Government is absolutely evil (well they probably are but by everyone else's standards) no!
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While I see your point, I still would say that apple is partly guilty. If you're contracting a job to someone, you need to know and accept the business practices of that someone. '

Yeah, we all "benefit" from these types of agreements via cheaper prices, but that doesn't necessarily make it right, regardless of how badly our cognitive dissonance says it should be.
 
Originally posted by: Whisper
While I see your point, I still would say that apple is partly guilty. If you're contracting a job to someone, you need to know and accept the business practices of that someone. '

Yeah, we all "benefit" from these types of agreements via cheaper prices, but that doesn't necessarily make it right, regardless of how badly our cognitive dissonance says it should be.
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Cheaper prices? We're talking about ipods here!😛

Wal-Mart at least has some excuse...they never pretend to care about anything other than cheap prices. But Apple has a sort of trendy-metrosexual-suburbanite image to uphold, and that means you recycle, you donate to Greenepeace, and you care about working conditions in the third world dammit!:|

It would be the same as if Starbucks was using non-Fair Trade coffee....oh wait.
 
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Paulson
No major company is "good"... They're all evil trying to get money money money.

Apple contracts foxconn, so what? It's not like Steve Jobs put a gun to the CEO's head of Foxconn and told him to put all those chinese people in sh!tty housing with piss poor pay. He gave them a contract that foxconn probably couldn't afford and rather than them losing it to someone else they got into some unrealistic goal and had to put so many people into such crappy lifestyles.

The government contracts Haliburton, are they a good company? Hell no! But does that mean our Government is absolutely evil (well they probably are but by everyone else's standards) no!
Click to expand...

While I see your point, I still would say that apple is partly guilty. If you're contracting a job to someone, you need to know and accept the business practices of that someone. '

Yeah, we all "benefit" from these types of agreements via cheaper prices, but that doesn't necessarily make it right, regardless of how badly our cognitive dissonance says it should be.
Click to expand...

But Apple is far from being the only company guilty of that.

I would bet that you own many products built in similar conditions.
 
Originally posted by: Syringer
Originally posted by: Paulson
Notice that this is Foxconn and not apple... because I sure did.

Everything is made in China in crappy conditions. Ask walmart where they get all their crap from and what conditions their workers live in.
Click to expand...

a) Apple contracts Foxconn, what difference does it make? Do you think Apple is just ignorant, or apathetic of these conditions?
b) Wtf does Wal-mart have anything to do with this? If you want to equate Apple and Wal-mart then, then I'm fine with that. It's just kind of funny how some people make Apple out to be the "good" guy battling the evil empire of Microsoft, while criticizing corporations like Wal-Mart (who I imagine also contracts companies that they get their products from..and not actually own the factories) for the same practices.

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
soooooo....

you must know jack of where plenty of your electronics and clothing comes from.
Click to expand...

Japan, Taiwan, Korea, etc.. have their workers jailed in plants with no outisde contact allowed?
Click to expand...

So you don't own/buy anything built in China?
 
Originally posted by: acemcmac
I love foxconn stuff. I have a PCI 802.11G adapter and a PSU made by them. I vote with my wallet!
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It's great until it's you isn't it?

I'd love to see your fat american ass in those conditions and see how you felt.
 
Originally posted by: uhohs
steve jobs doesn't care about chinese people.
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Nor do I, really, except in a very abstract way. I care about myself, my family, my friends, people I know, and so forth in a descending priority. People working sweatshops in China are pretty low on the list.
 
everyone in this thread, hell on this forum, uses a computer that most likely has a foxconn part in it, like already mentioned atleast connectors and stuff. If not, certainly each and every computer has parts that were made in china. And pretty much all of the manufacturing companies in china employ workers with conditions as mentioned.

Not only that, i'm sure all the competing mp3 players are built by some chinese electronics contract manufacturer, and if you're familiar with the biz, that whole industry is inbred as hell. If you buy any sort of electronics, you're supporting that work environment in one way or another.

On top of that, by chinese standards, those conditions may not be considered particularly abusive. The people in china with the worst lifestyles are probably country farmers, who basically don't have running water, power, the poorest of the poor in the world. The people working in those factories often come from the country looking for any work at all. They might actually be worse off if people stopped buying ipods.
 
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Paulson
No major company is "good"... They're all evil trying to get money money money.

Apple contracts foxconn, so what? It's not like Steve Jobs put a gun to the CEO's head of Foxconn and told him to put all those chinese people in sh!tty housing with piss poor pay. He gave them a contract that foxconn probably couldn't afford and rather than them losing it to someone else they got into some unrealistic goal and had to put so many people into such crappy lifestyles.

The government contracts Haliburton, are they a good company? Hell no! But does that mean our Government is absolutely evil (well they probably are but by everyone else's standards) no!
Click to expand...

While I see your point, I still would say that apple is partly guilty. If you're contracting a job to someone, you need to know and accept the business practices of that someone. '

Yeah, we all "benefit" from these types of agreements via cheaper prices, but that doesn't necessarily make it right, regardless of how badly our cognitive dissonance says it should be.
Click to expand...

But Apple is far from being the only company guilty of that.

I would bet that you own many products built in similar conditions.
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Possibly, yes. But as I find out about the various business practices of the contractors, I cease buying from the companies. I don't pretend to know everything about every company out there; but if I hear about something with which I don't agree, I choose not to support the company in question. If it ends up costing me more money, so be it.
 
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