Yes we can,,,,,but not right now.

Ozoned

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Well, He told you what you wanted,,,,change, Now he is preparing to tell your expectations are unrealistic???? Just another well funded politician,

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Obama said he's not at all comfortable with the political game of getting and staying elected, of raising money in backroom deals and manipulating an electable image (This cut and paste is not from this piece)
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Confident in an Election Day win, the campaign looks to lower supporters' expectations on concerns their hopes of 'change' are unrealistic, a senior aide says

FOXNews.com

Friday, 2008-31-305


By Tim Reid, The Times of London

Barack Obama's senior advisers have drawn up plans to lower expectations for his presidency if he wins next week's election, amid concerns that many of his euphoric supporters are harboring unrealistic hopes of what he can achieve.

The sudden financial crisis and the prospect of a deep and painful recession have increased the urgency inside the Obama team to bring people down to earth, after a campaign in which his soaring rhetoric and promises of "hope" and "change" are now confronted with the reality of a stricken economy.

One senior adviser told The Times that the first few weeks of the transition, immediately after the election, were critical, "so there's not a vast mood swing from exhilaration and euphoria to despair."

The aide said that Obama himself was the first to realize that expectations risked being inflated.

In an interview with a Colorado radio station, Obama appeared to be engaged already in expectation lowering. Asked about his goals for the first hundred days, he said he would need more time to tackle such big and costly issues as health care reform, global warming and Iraq.

"The first hundred days is going to be important, but it's probably going to be the first thousand days that makes the difference," he said. He has also been reminding crowds in recent days how "hard" it will be to achieve his goals, and that it will take time.

"I won't stand here and pretend that any of this will be easy -- especially now," Obama told a rally in Sarasota, Florida, yesterday, citing "the cost of this economic crisis, and the cost of the war in Iraq." Obama's transition team is headed by John Podesta, a Washington veteran and a former chief-of-staff to Bill Clinton. He has spent months overseeing a virtual Democratic government-in-exile to plan a smooth transition should Obama emerge victorious next week.

The plans are so far advanced that an Obama Cabinet has been largely decided upon, with the expectation that most of his senior appointments could be announced shortly after election day.
 

OrByte

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A pragmatic, rational, and intelligent approach to governing.

Imagine that! :thumbsup:
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: OrByte
A pragmatic, rational, and intelligent approach to governing.

Imagine that! :thumbsup:

McCain likely has similar plans. The situation is bleak, no one is going to turn around things quickly.
 

Starbuck1975

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The Obama campaign's soaring rhetoric has set unrealistic expectations for what his Administration can hope to achieve.

Hopefully, he is equally competent in managing, and inevitably lowering, the expectations he has set.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The Obama campaign's soaring rhetoric has set unrealistic expectations for what his Administration can hope to achieve.

Hopefully, he is equally competent in managing, and inevitably lowering, the expectations he has set.

All great movements start with great rhetoric. MLK, Ghandi, US Founding Fathers, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, etc...

Obama may not succeed, only time will tell, but first one needs to Inspire.
 

jpeyton

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Awesome! Glad to see he's grounded in reality.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: OrByte
A pragmatic, rational, and intelligent approach to governing.

Imagine that! :thumbsup:

McCain likely has similar plans. The situation is bleak, no one is going to turn around things quickly.

agreed. What isn't need are people like the OP looking to spin the outlook towards a partisan advantage.

reality folks...the next President is going to have a sh!tload of things to do and none of it easy.
 

Moonbeam

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Obama is the change we have been waiting for. I have always seen that as change in the realm of the possible. I have no expectations. I plan to ad my voice to the will of the people. I will try to push.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: sandorski
All great movements start with great rhetoric. MLK, Ghandi, US Founding Fathers, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, etc...

Wow! So you are really going to lump Obama in with those historical characters eh?
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The Obama campaign's soaring rhetoric has set unrealistic expectations for what his Administration can hope to achieve.

Hopefully, he is equally competent in managing, and inevitably lowering, the expectations he has set.

All great movements start with great rhetoric. MLK, Ghandi, US Founding Fathers, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, etc...

Obama may not succeed, only time will tell, but first one needs to Inspire.

Yes, but then there are some bad movements that started with great rhetoric:

Hitlers raise to power
Bolsheviks revolution
The Mao cultural revolution
Pol Pots

And on a more relevant, Jimmy Carters - "hope and change" administration, that by more historians was a rather weak administration...
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The Obama campaign's soaring rhetoric has set unrealistic expectations for what his Administration can hope to achieve.

Hopefully, he is equally competent in managing, and inevitably lowering, the expectations he has set.

All great movements start with great rhetoric. MLK, Ghandi, US Founding Fathers, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, etc...

Obama may not succeed, only time will tell, but first one needs to Inspire.

Yes, but then there are some bad movements that started with great rhetoric:

Hitlers raise to power
Bolsheviks revolution
The Mao cultural revolution
Pol Pots

And on a more relevant, Jimmy Carters - "hope and change" administration, that by more historians was a rather weak administration...
LOL, Hitler, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot and Carter. What a silly gat you are.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: techs
Let's see:
Not Bush? Check.
Not McCain? Check.

Expectations met.

Wow.. .you are easily satisfied... Do you not even care if his "redistribute the wealth" will cause companies to scale back hiring people and ultimately lead to more unemployment? Probably not.. as long as its not Bush or McCain, correct? ;-)
 

RY62

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So, does this mean that the waters aren't receding and the planet hasn't begun to heal?

 

techs

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Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: techs
Let's see:
Not Bush? Check.
Not McCain? Check.

Expectations met.

Wow.. .you are easily satisfied... Do you not even care if his "redistribute the wealth" will cause companies to scale back hiring people and ultimately lead to more unemployment? Probably not.. as long as its not Bush or McCain, correct? ;-)

You mean tax the wealthiest at the same rate as under Bill Clinton?

Let me see.

Bill Clintons economy versus George Bushes economy?

Yes, please, may I have another eight years of the Clinton economy.
 

eleison

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The Obama campaign's soaring rhetoric has set unrealistic expectations for what his Administration can hope to achieve.

Hopefully, he is equally competent in managing, and inevitably lowering, the expectations he has set.

All great movements start with great rhetoric. MLK, Ghandi, US Founding Fathers, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, etc...

Obama may not succeed, only time will tell, but first one needs to Inspire.

Yes, but then there are some bad movements that started with great rhetoric:

Hitlers raise to power
Bolsheviks revolution
The Mao cultural revolution
Pol Pots

And on a more relevant, Jimmy Carters - "hope and change" administration, that by more historians was a rather weak administration...
LOL, Hitler, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot and Carter. What a silly gat you are.


What do all these historical figures have in common? They are considered the greatest orators of their time. Hitler was consider one of the greatest speakers of the century by speech experts. And he did it w/o a teleprompter. As a matter of fact, people still study his speeches.

I'm not trying to compare Obama to these tyrants... I'm just saying having good "rhetoric" doesn't always make a great leader. "Spread the wealth" my friend :)
 

Starbuck1975

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All great movements start with great rhetoric. MLK, Ghandi, US Founding Fathers, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, etc... Obama may not succeed, only time will tell, but first one needs to Inspire.
Revolution is a social movement.
Equal rights is a social movement.
Spiritual enlightenment is a social movement.

Executing an effective withdrawal strategy from Iraq...containing the spread of Al Quaida...devising a feasible health care plan that covers all Americans...changing our tax structure to create a more equitable distribution of wealth...promoting economic growth with smart policy decisions...implementing laws that protect our environment.

These are not social movements...these are policy decisions made by competent leaders...competence and visionary are two very different leadership skills.

The challenges that Obama will face you cannot defeat with the sword of change...Obama will win this election because Americans are tired of Republican leadership, and he smartly met that discontent with a highly effective message.

Being an effective leader takes more than inpiring others...Inpiration is a technique, not a prerequisite.

Yes, please, may I have another eight years of the Clinton economy.
Clinton had very little to do with the economy America enjoyed under his Administration.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: RY62

So, does this mean that the waters aren't receding and the planet hasn't begun to heal?

Yes we can... maybe sorta think about possibly doing some stuff at a future point in time.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: sandorski
All great movements start with great rhetoric. MLK, Ghandi, US Founding Fathers, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, etc...

Wow! So you are really going to lump Obama in with those historical characters eh?

Not really my point, but all they had to start with was Inspiring those around them. I'm sure in their time each one were criticized about their "Empty Promises/Rhetoric". Well, look at them now. Obama's future will be revealed in the future.
 

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Change, you can believe in*


*Change is not to be associated with actions of any kind, side effects may include disappointment, anger and apathy. Use only under government direction.