YES! Russians storm building, take care of chechen scum!

[Martin]

go to any news site.

 

[XMan]

Umm . . . I know you know there's already a thread on this, cause you posted in it. So what gives? Just curious.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: X-Man
Umm . . . I know you know there's already a thread on this, cause you posted in it. So what gives? Just curious.

title doesn't say what happened though...

 

[Stifko]

title doesn't say what happened though...

according to cnn, like 20 dead, they dunno how many hostages, but the ringleader got killed. Why are the Russians in Chechna again ?

 

[Desslok]

Who are the real scum here? The Checens or the Soviets? Ok lets tally the score up here.

Who invade whom first and made them live in a state where they were cruely repressed for more than 50 years.

Who dumped tons of toxic material in the others land because they were to worried about not keeping up with the West in the arms race instead of disposing of it in the proper manner.

Do I agree with what the Rebel's did? NO. They should have gone after a military target. On the other hand payback is a bit#h and the Soviets have a ton coming their way.

 

[XMan]

On the other hand payback is a bit#h and the Soviets have a ton coming their way.

Which of the people in the theater dumped toxic waste in Chechnya?

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: Desslok
Who are the real scum here? The Checens or the Soviets? Ok lets tally the score up here.

Who invade whom first and made them live in a state where they were cruely repressed for more than 50 years.

Who dumped tons of toxic material in the others land because they were to worried about not keeping up with the West in the arms race instead of disposing of it in the proper manner.

Do I agree with what the Rebel's did? NO. They should have gone after a military target. On the other hand payback is a bit#h and the Soviets have a ton coming their way.

That's a post that contradicts itself a few times.

So you liken this to the twin towers were deserved? It's terrorism in any way shape or form you place it. Killing people going about their normal lives that have no interest or were no fault of the terrorists agenda.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: X-Man

On the other hand payback is a bit#h and the Soviets have a ton coming their way.

Which of the people in the theater dumped toxic waste in Chechnya?

Ok which of the people in the World Trade Center made the foriegn policy on the Middle East?

Did I say that I agreed with what the rebels did? no i didn't, but just like the WTC the terrorist picked that target for the effect it would have.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: Kiyup

Originally posted by: Desslok Who are the real scum here? The Checens or the Soviets? Ok lets tally the score up here. Who invade whom first and made them live in a state where they were cruely repressed for more than 50 years. Who dumped tons of toxic material in the others land because they were to worried about not keeping up with the West in the arms race instead of disposing of it in the proper manner. Do I agree with what the Rebel's did? NO. They should have gone after a military target. On the other hand payback is a bit#h and the Soviets have a ton coming their way.

That's a post that contradicts itself a few times. So you liken this to the twin towers were deserved? It's terrorism in any way shape or form you place it. Killing people going about their normal lives that have no interest or were no fault of the terrorists agenda.

How do I contradict myself in that statement? I gave examples what the Soviets did the the Chechens, then said I didn't agree with it, and thensaid that this sort of attack was created by what the Soviets did to the Chechens.

 

[fornax]

Desslok, you have quite a strong opinion for an ignorant person. Chechnya has been a part of Russia longer than most states have been part of the USA. Who's armies invaded (put your favorite Southern state name here...) Who's dumped (or will dump) tons of toxic/radioactive material in Nevada, Washington State, etc., etc.? So in a few years someone from Nevada will be justified in taking a few hundred hostages in Washington DC and killing a few of them? You wouldn't know cruel repression if it rang your bell with a bottle of wine and slept with you.

 

[SuperTool]

The morons on this board amaze me.
Chechnya has been a part of Russia for more than 200 years. Sure the Russians "invaded" the Caucases in the 1600s when they fought the Turks.
Keep in mind that Russians weren't Soviet then, and they aren't the Soviets anymore.
Chechnyan terrorists = Al Qaeda terrorists. Do you think it's a coincidence that the terrorists communicated their demands through Al-Jazeera?

 

[XCLAN]

Originally posted by: fornax
Desslok, you have quite a strong opinion for an ignorant person. Chechnya has been a part of Russia longer than most states have been part of the USA. Who's armies invaded (put your favorite Southern state name here...) Who's dumped (or will dump) tons of toxic/radioactive material in Nevada, Washington State, etc., etc.? So in a few years someone from Nevada will be justified in taking a few hundred hostages in Washington DC and killing a few of them? You wouldn't know cruel repression if it rang your bell with a bottle of wine and slept with you.

Woot....my thoughts exactly{errr at least the anaology}

 

[Kadarin]

Remember also that the Russians already had previously withdrawn from Chechnya, but the Chechens then invaded a neighboring republic with the goal of creating a pan-Islamic state, and undertook a terrorist campaign of bombing Moscow apartment buildings. We're talking about Islamic terrorists here who are associated with Al Quaeda, who need to be exterminated like a fire-ant infestation.

 

[Archenion]

Desslock is incompetent in Chechen matters. Russian special forces did great job. 34 terrorists killed and some arested. Less then 10 hostages died and more then 500 freed. Great success. More then 200 people died in previous similar Chechen terrorist acts , when Chechens cuptured hospitals and used folks there as "alive shild".

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: XCLAN

Originally posted by: fornax Desslok, you have quite a strong opinion for an ignorant person. Chechnya has been a part of Russia longer than most states have been part of the USA. Who's armies invaded (put your favorite Southern state name here...) Who's dumped (or will dump) tons of toxic/radioactive material in Nevada, Washington State, etc., etc.? So in a few years someone from Nevada will be justified in taking a few hundred hostages in Washington DC and killing a few of them? You wouldn't know cruel repression if it rang your bell with a bottle of wine and slept with you.

Woot....my thoughts exactly{errr at least the anaology}

Damn talk about ignorant. The North "invaded" the South to put an end to slavery, not to gain land or repress the local population.

As far as me not knowing "cruel repression..even if it slept with me" Maybe you should take your head out of your as$ and read a little more.


"The ninth total deportation of the Chechen people to Central Asia and Siberia was carried out on February 23, 1944. This deportation is one of the most tragic papers of the history of Chechen people. The Soviet authority officially accused the Chechen people for mass desertion from the Red Army and collaboration with the German fascist command. "
"The plan for total deportation of the Chechens and Ingush had been worked out long before 1944 and was kept in strict secret. About 200 thousand soldiers and officers of the People's Committee of Internal Affairs and Red Army were involved in the military operation of moving people from their homes, which began on February 23 and lasted for three days. The operation was conducted under the leadership of the Chief of PCIA Lavrenti Beria. In the course of this monstrous operation 12 thousand people were killed only during one day. Almost in every house there were killed people. The people were shot, burnt, exploded, drawn in the lakes and reservoirs. They killed people everywhere, in schools and hospitals, as well as in the offices of village administration.
The horrors of the Chechen people's tragedy continued on their way to Siberia and Central Asia. People were carried in luggage vans, without food and water. The lack of food, any kind of medical aid, and the fact that the vans were overcrowded and the trip lasted for several weeks and even months, caused mass prevalence of diseases. In the way 50 per cent of the deported people died of typhus. In the places of deportation it was strictly forbidden to render any kind of help to the unfortunate people. The local inhabitants were afraid of being arrested if they showed their sympathy towards the dying women and children."

Hmm that sounds like cruel repression to me.

Read more at Link

Now shall we see how his analogy about dumping is wrong? Have you seen the area in Nevada where they are going to dump? Well I have and you could seriously set off a tactical nuke and not hurt anyone with the blast. So how is dumping sealed waste there going to harm anyone? Now let see how the Russians/Soviets handle the same matter. They turned a majority of the Black Sea and pretty much all their military sites into a dead zones.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: XCLAN

Originally posted by: fornax Desslok, you have quite a strong opinion for an ignorant person. Chechnya has been a part of Russia longer than most states have been part of the USA. Who's armies invaded (put your favorite Southern state name here...) Who's dumped (or will dump) tons of toxic/radioactive material in Nevada, Washington State, etc., etc.? So in a few years someone from Nevada will be justified in taking a few hundred hostages in Washington DC and killing a few of them? You wouldn't know cruel repression if it rang your bell with a bottle of wine and slept with you.

Woot....my thoughts exactly{errr at least the anaology}

Damn talk about ignorant. The North "invaded" the South to put an end to slavery, not to gain land or repress the local population.

As far as me not knowing "cruel repression..even if it slept with me" Maybe you should take your head out of your as$ and read a little more.


"The <STRONG>ninth </STRONG>total deportation of the Chechen people to Central Asia and Siberia was carried out on February 23, 1944. This deportation is one of the most tragic papers of the history of Chechen people. The Soviet authority officially accused the Chechen people for mass desertion from the Red Army and collaboration with the German fascist command. "
"The plan for total deportation of the Chechens and Ingush had been worked out long before 1944 and was kept in strict secret. About 200 thousand soldiers and officers of the People's Committee of Internal Affairs and Red Army were involved in the military operation of moving people from their homes, which began on February 23 and lasted for three days. The operation was conducted under the leadership of the Chief of PCIA Lavrenti Beria. In the course of this monstrous operation 12 thousand people were killed only during one day. Almost in every house there were killed people. The people were shot, burnt, exploded, drawn in the lakes and reservoirs. They killed people everywhere, in schools and hospitals, as well as in the offices of village administration.
The horrors of the Chechen people's tragedy continued on their way to Siberia and Central Asia. People were carried in luggage vans, without food and water. The lack of food, any kind of medical aid, and the fact that the vans were overcrowded and the trip lasted for several weeks and even months, caused mass prevalence of diseases. In the way 50 per cent of the deported people died of typhus. In the places of deportation it was strictly forbidden to render any kind of help to the unfortunate people. The local inhabitants were afraid of being arrested if they showed their sympathy towards the dying women and children."

Hmm that sounds like cruel repression to me.

Read more at <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ichkeria.org/a/2002/2/his2802-en81028.html" target=blank>Link </A>

Now shall we see how his analogy about dumping is wrong? Have you seen the area in Nevada where they are going to dump? Well I have and you could seriously set off a tactical nuke and not hurt anyone with the blast. So how is dumping sealed waste there going to harm anyone? Now let see how the Russians/Soviets handle the same matter. They turned a majority of the Black Sea and pretty much all their military sites into a dead zones.

Yes, let's all get our news from a terrorist website (Ichkeria being the terrorists' name for a nonexistent state. Kindof like Kurdistan)
Let's pretend like this deportation happenned in total isolation from the events of the time. Let's pretend that it was only the Chechen's peoples tragedy that unfolded in 1944, and everyone else was just having a ball.

You do realize that a lot of tragic things happened in 1944, not all of them to the Chechens? Do you realize that more than 30 million people died in USSR as result of WW2 and Stalin's purges? Do you realize that Stalin killed millions of Russians too? You realize that Stalin killed anyone who challenged his rule, regardless of nationality? You realize that people were killed for a lot less than what the Chechens did? People were killed for not turning Stalin's speeches on the radio loud enough, much less colloborating with the Germans. You realize that Stalin wasn't Russian? Those were the times. It was WW2, all people of USSR were stuck between Hitler's and Stalin's murder machines. Some suffered more than others, but all suffered. You are trying to judge the current situation by 1944 standards, and you are trying to blame the Russians of today for what Stalin did 60 years ago.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: XCLAN

Originally posted by: fornax Desslok, you have quite a strong opinion for an ignorant person. Chechnya has been a part of Russia longer than most states have been part of the USA. Who's armies invaded (put your favorite Southern state name here...) Who's dumped (or will dump) tons of toxic/radioactive material in Nevada, Washington State, etc., etc.? So in a few years someone from Nevada will be justified in taking a few hundred hostages in Washington DC and killing a few of them? You wouldn't know cruel repression if it rang your bell with a bottle of wine and slept with you.

Woot....my thoughts exactly{errr at least the anaology}

Damn talk about ignorant. The North "invaded" the South to put an end to slavery, not to gain land or repress the local population. As far as me not knowing "cruel repression..even if it slept with me" Maybe you should take your head out of your as$ and read a little more. "The ninth total deportation of the Chechen people to Central Asia and Siberia was carried out on February 23, 1944. This deportation is one of the most tragic papers of the history of Chechen people. The Soviet authority officially accused the Chechen people for mass desertion from the Red Army and collaboration with the German fascist command. " "The plan for total deportation of the Chechens and Ingush had been worked out long before 1944 and was kept in strict secret. About 200 thousand soldiers and officers of the People's Committee of Internal Affairs and Red Army were involved in the military operation of moving people from their homes, which began on February 23 and lasted for three days. The operation was conducted under the leadership of the Chief of PCIA Lavrenti Beria. In the course of this monstrous operation 12 thousand people were killed only during one day. Almost in every house there were killed people. The people were shot, burnt, exploded, drawn in the lakes and reservoirs. They killed people everywhere, in schools and hospitals, as well as in the offices of village administration. The horrors of the Chechen people's tragedy continued on their way to Siberia and Central Asia. People were carried in luggage vans, without food and water. The lack of food, any kind of medical aid, and the fact that the vans were overcrowded and the trip lasted for several weeks and even months, caused mass prevalence of diseases. In the way 50 per cent of the deported people died of typhus. In the places of deportation it was strictly forbidden to render any kind of help to the unfortunate people. The local inhabitants were afraid of being arrested if they showed their sympathy towards the dying women and children." Hmm that sounds like cruel repression to me. Read more at Link Now shall we see how his analogy about dumping is wrong? Have you seen the area in Nevada where they are going to dump? Well I have and you could seriously set off a tactical nuke and not hurt anyone with the blast. So how is dumping sealed waste there going to harm anyone? Now let see how the Russians/Soviets handle the same matter. They turned a majority of the Black Sea and pretty much all their military sites into a dead zones.

Yes, let's all get our news from a terrorist website (Ichkeria being the terrorists' name for a nonexistent state. Kindof like Kurdistan) Let's pretend like this deportation happenned in total isolation from the events of the time. Let's pretend that it was only the Chechen's peoples tragedy that unfolded in 1944, and everyone else was just having a ball.

You do realize that a lot of tragic things happened in 1944, not all of them to the Chechens? Do you realize that more than 30 million people died in USSR as result of WW2 and Stalin's purges? Do you realize that Stalin killed millions of Russians too? You realize that Stalin killed anyone who challenged his rule, regardless of nationality? You realize that people were killed for a lot less than what the Chechens did? People were killed for not turning Stalin's speeches on the radio loud enough, much less colloborating with the Germans. You realize that Stalin wasn't Russian? Those were the times. It was WW2, all people of USSR were stuck between Hitler's and Stalin's murder machines. Some suffered more than others, but all suffered. You are trying to judge the current situation by 1944 standards, and you are trying to blame the Russians of today for what Stalin did 60 years ago.

Yes Stalin killed millions of others, he made Hitler seem small time. Stalin was born in Georgia(Southern Russia) was he not? My point is that after what Stalin did not to mention the other "leaders" of the old USSR did is it any surprise that you have these groups fighting back now?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: XCLAN

Originally posted by: fornax Desslok, you have quite a strong opinion for an ignorant person. Chechnya has been a part of Russia longer than most states have been part of the USA. Who's armies invaded (put your favorite Southern state name here...) Who's dumped (or will dump) tons of toxic/radioactive material in Nevada, Washington State, etc., etc.? So in a few years someone from Nevada will be justified in taking a few hundred hostages in Washington DC and killing a few of them? You wouldn't know cruel repression if it rang your bell with a bottle of wine and slept with you.

Woot....my thoughts exactly{errr at least the anaology}

Damn talk about ignorant. The North "invaded" the South to put an end to slavery, not to gain land or repress the local population. As far as me not knowing "cruel repression..even if it slept with me" Maybe you should take your head out of your as$ and read a little more. "The <STRONG>ninth </STRONG>total deportation of the Chechen people to Central Asia and Siberia was carried out on February 23, 1944. This deportation is one of the most tragic papers of the history of Chechen people. The Soviet authority officially accused the Chechen people for mass desertion from the Red Army and collaboration with the German fascist command. " "The plan for total deportation of the Chechens and Ingush had been worked out long before 1944 and was kept in strict secret. About 200 thousand soldiers and officers of the People's Committee of Internal Affairs and Red Army were involved in the military operation of moving people from their homes, which began on February 23 and lasted for three days. The operation was conducted under the leadership of the Chief of PCIA Lavrenti Beria. In the course of this monstrous operation 12 thousand people were killed only during one day. Almost in every house there were killed people. The people were shot, burnt, exploded, drawn in the lakes and reservoirs. They killed people everywhere, in schools and hospitals, as well as in the offices of village administration. The horrors of the Chechen people's tragedy continued on their way to Siberia and Central Asia. People were carried in luggage vans, without food and water. The lack of food, any kind of medical aid, and the fact that the vans were overcrowded and the trip lasted for several weeks and even months, caused mass prevalence of diseases. In the way 50 per cent of the deported people died of typhus. In the places of deportation it was strictly forbidden to render any kind of help to the unfortunate people. The local inhabitants were afraid of being arrested if they showed their sympathy towards the dying women and children." Hmm that sounds like cruel repression to me. Read more at <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ichkeria.org/a/2002/2/his2802-en81028.html" target=blank>Link </A>Now shall we see how his analogy about dumping is wrong? Have you seen the area in Nevada where they are going to dump? Well I have and you could seriously set off a tactical nuke and not hurt anyone with the blast. So how is dumping sealed waste there going to harm anyone? Now let see how the Russians/Soviets handle the same matter. They turned a majority of the Black Sea and pretty much all their military sites into a dead zones.

Yes, let's all get our news from a terrorist website (Ichkeria being the terrorists' name for a nonexistent state. Kindof like Kurdistan) Let's pretend like this deportation happenned in total isolation from the events of the time. Let's pretend that it was only the Chechen's peoples tragedy that unfolded in 1944, and everyone else was just having a ball.

You do realize that a lot of tragic things happened in 1944, not all of them to the Chechens? Do you realize that more than 30 million people died in USSR as result of WW2 and Stalin's purges? Do you realize that Stalin killed millions of Russians too? You realize that Stalin killed anyone who challenged his rule, regardless of nationality? You realize that people were killed for a lot less than what the Chechens did? People were killed for not turning Stalin's speeches on the radio loud enough, much less colloborating with the Germans. You realize that Stalin wasn't Russian? Those were the times. It was WW2, all people of USSR were stuck between Hitler's and Stalin's murder machines. Some suffered more than others, but all suffered. You are trying to judge the current situation by 1944 standards, and you are trying to blame the Russians of today for what Stalin did 60 years ago.

Yes Stalin killed millions of others, he made Hitler seem small time. Stalin was born in Georgia(Southern Russia) was he not? My point is that after what Stalin did not to mention the other "leaders" of the old USSR did is it any surprise that you have these groups fighting back now?

You need a little education on Russian geopolitics.
Georgia is not southern Russia. Georgia is an independent country now. Chechnya is southern Russia. It's not an independent country.
It's a common misconseption, because there are two types of Russians.
One Russian is spelled: Russkiy. That is the major ethnic group within Russian Federation.
Second Russian is spelled: Rossiyskiy. That reffers to any subject of Russian federation, whether Russkiy or Jew or Chechen or Avar or Bashkir or Tatar or anyone. For example Russian Federation in Russian is Rossiyskaya Federacia, which means it includes all the ethnic groups who live there, and there are several dozen if not hundreds.
That of course gets lost in translation, and wasn't explained in Rocky IV, so most Americans aren't aware of it.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: XCLAN

Originally posted by: fornax Desslok, you have quite a strong opinion for an ignorant person. Chechnya has been a part of Russia longer than most states have been part of the USA. Who's armies invaded (put your favorite Southern state name here...) Who's dumped (or will dump) tons of toxic/radioactive material in Nevada, Washington State, etc., etc.? So in a few years someone from Nevada will be justified in taking a few hundred hostages in Washington DC and killing a few of them? You wouldn't know cruel repression if it rang your bell with a bottle of wine and slept with you.

Woot....my thoughts exactly{errr at least the anaology}

Damn talk about ignorant. The North "invaded" the South to put an end to slavery, not to gain land or repress the local population. As far as me not knowing "cruel repression..even if it slept with me" Maybe you should take your head out of your as$ and read a little more. "The ninth total deportation of the Chechen people to Central Asia and Siberia was carried out on February 23, 1944. This deportation is one of the most tragic papers of the history of Chechen people. The Soviet authority officially accused the Chechen people for mass desertion from the Red Army and collaboration with the German fascist command. " "The plan for total deportation of the Chechens and Ingush had been worked out long before 1944 and was kept in strict secret. About 200 thousand soldiers and officers of the People's Committee of Internal Affairs and Red Army were involved in the military operation of moving people from their homes, which began on February 23 and lasted for three days. The operation was conducted under the leadership of the Chief of PCIA Lavrenti Beria. In the course of this monstrous operation 12 thousand people were killed only during one day. Almost in every house there were killed people. The people were shot, burnt, exploded, drawn in the lakes and reservoirs. They killed people everywhere, in schools and hospitals, as well as in the offices of village administration. The horrors of the Chechen people's tragedy continued on their way to Siberia and Central Asia. People were carried in luggage vans, without food and water. The lack of food, any kind of medical aid, and the fact that the vans were overcrowded and the trip lasted for several weeks and even months, caused mass prevalence of diseases. In the way 50 per cent of the deported people died of typhus. In the places of deportation it was strictly forbidden to render any kind of help to the unfortunate people. The local inhabitants were afraid of being arrested if they showed their sympathy towards the dying women and children." Hmm that sounds like cruel repression to me. Read more at Link Now shall we see how his analogy about dumping is wrong? Have you seen the area in Nevada where they are going to dump? Well I have and you could seriously set off a tactical nuke and not hurt anyone with the blast. So how is dumping sealed waste there going to harm anyone? Now let see how the Russians/Soviets handle the same matter. They turned a majority of the Black Sea and pretty much all their military sites into a dead zones.

Yes, let's all get our news from a terrorist website (Ichkeria being the terrorists' name for a nonexistent state. Kindof like Kurdistan) Let's pretend like this deportation happenned in total isolation from the events of the time. Let's pretend that it was only the Chechen's peoples tragedy that unfolded in 1944, and everyone else was just having a ball.

You do realize that a lot of tragic things happened in 1944, not all of them to the Chechens? Do you realize that more than 30 million people died in USSR as result of WW2 and Stalin's purges? Do you realize that Stalin killed millions of Russians too? You realize that Stalin killed anyone who challenged his rule, regardless of nationality? You realize that people were killed for a lot less than what the Chechens did? People were killed for not turning Stalin's speeches on the radio loud enough, much less colloborating with the Germans. You realize that Stalin wasn't Russian? Those were the times. It was WW2, all people of USSR were stuck between Hitler's and Stalin's murder machines. Some suffered more than others, but all suffered. You are trying to judge the current situation by 1944 standards, and you are trying to blame the Russians of today for what Stalin did 60 years ago.

Yes Stalin killed millions of others, he made Hitler seem small time. Stalin was born in Georgia(Southern Russia) was he not? My point is that after what Stalin did not to mention the other "leaders" of the old USSR did is it any surprise that you have these groups fighting back now?

You need a little education on Russian geopolitics. Georgia is not southern Russia. Georgia is an independent country now. Chechnya is southern Russia. It's not an independent country. It's a common misconseption, because there are two types of Russians. One Russian is spelled: Russkiy. That is the major ethnic group within Russian Federation. Second Russian is spelled: Rossiyskiy. That reffers to any subject of Russian federation, whether Russkiy or Jew or Chechen or Avar or Bashkir or Tatar or anyone. For example Russian Federation in Russian is Rossiyskaya Federacia, which means it includes all the ethnic groups who live there, and there are several dozen if not hundreds. That of course gets lost in translation, and wasn't explained in Rocky IV, so most Americans aren't aware of it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Georgia was a part of the USSR at the time that Stalin was born and ruled.

Also is there not alot of for a lack of a better term racism towards the Rossiyskaya's by the Russkiy's?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: XCLAN

Originally posted by: fornax Desslok, you have quite a strong opinion for an ignorant person. Chechnya has been a part of Russia longer than most states have been part of the USA. Who's armies invaded (put your favorite Southern state name here...) Who's dumped (or will dump) tons of toxic/radioactive material in Nevada, Washington State, etc., etc.? So in a few years someone from Nevada will be justified in taking a few hundred hostages in Washington DC and killing a few of them? You wouldn't know cruel repression if it rang your bell with a bottle of wine and slept with you.

Woot....my thoughts exactly{errr at least the anaology}

Damn talk about ignorant. The North "invaded" the South to put an end to slavery, not to gain land or repress the local population. As far as me not knowing "cruel repression..even if it slept with me" Maybe you should take your head out of your as$ and read a little more. "The <STRONG>ninth </STRONG>total deportation of the Chechen people to Central Asia and Siberia was carried out on February 23, 1944. This deportation is one of the most tragic papers of the history of Chechen people. The Soviet authority officially accused the Chechen people for mass desertion from the Red Army and collaboration with the German fascist command. " "The plan for total deportation of the Chechens and Ingush had been worked out long before 1944 and was kept in strict secret. About 200 thousand soldiers and officers of the People's Committee of Internal Affairs and Red Army were involved in the military operation of moving people from their homes, which began on February 23 and lasted for three days. The operation was conducted under the leadership of the Chief of PCIA Lavrenti Beria. In the course of this monstrous operation 12 thousand people were killed only during one day. Almost in every house there were killed people. The people were shot, burnt, exploded, drawn in the lakes and reservoirs. They killed people everywhere, in schools and hospitals, as well as in the offices of village administration. The horrors of the Chechen people's tragedy continued on their way to Siberia and Central Asia. People were carried in luggage vans, without food and water. The lack of food, any kind of medical aid, and the fact that the vans were overcrowded and the trip lasted for several weeks and even months, caused mass prevalence of diseases. In the way 50 per cent of the deported people died of typhus. In the places of deportation it was strictly forbidden to render any kind of help to the unfortunate people. The local inhabitants were afraid of being arrested if they showed their sympathy towards the dying women and children." Hmm that sounds like cruel repression to me. Read more at <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.ichkeria.org/a/2002/2/his2802-en81028.html" target=blank>Link </A>Now shall we see how his analogy about dumping is wrong? Have you seen the area in Nevada where they are going to dump? Well I have and you could seriously set off a tactical nuke and not hurt anyone with the blast. So how is dumping sealed waste there going to harm anyone? Now let see how the Russians/Soviets handle the same matter. They turned a majority of the Black Sea and pretty much all their military sites into a dead zones.

Yes, let's all get our news from a terrorist website (Ichkeria being the terrorists' name for a nonexistent state. Kindof like Kurdistan) Let's pretend like this deportation happenned in total isolation from the events of the time. Let's pretend that it was only the Chechen's peoples tragedy that unfolded in 1944, and everyone else was just having a ball.

You do realize that a lot of tragic things happened in 1944, not all of them to the Chechens? Do you realize that more than 30 million people died in USSR as result of WW2 and Stalin's purges? Do you realize that Stalin killed millions of Russians too? You realize that Stalin killed anyone who challenged his rule, regardless of nationality? You realize that people were killed for a lot less than what the Chechens did? People were killed for not turning Stalin's speeches on the radio loud enough, much less colloborating with the Germans. You realize that Stalin wasn't Russian? Those were the times. It was WW2, all people of USSR were stuck between Hitler's and Stalin's murder machines. Some suffered more than others, but all suffered. You are trying to judge the current situation by 1944 standards, and you are trying to blame the Russians of today for what Stalin did 60 years ago.

Yes Stalin killed millions of others, he made Hitler seem small time. Stalin was born in Georgia(Southern Russia) was he not? My point is that after what Stalin did not to mention the other "leaders" of the old USSR did is it any surprise that you have these groups fighting back now?

You need a little education on Russian geopolitics. Georgia is not southern Russia. Georgia is an independent country now. Chechnya is southern Russia. It's not an independent country. It's a common misconseption, because there are two types of Russians. One Russian is spelled: Russkiy. That is the major ethnic group within Russian Federation. Second Russian is spelled: Rossiyskiy. That reffers to any subject of Russian federation, whether Russkiy or Jew or Chechen or Avar or Bashkir or Tatar or anyone. For example Russian Federation in Russian is Rossiyskaya Federacia, which means it includes all the ethnic groups who live there, and there are several dozen if not hundreds. That of course gets lost in translation, and wasn't explained in Rocky IV, so most Americans aren't aware of it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Georgia was a part of the USSR at the time that Stalin was born and ruled.

Also is there not alot of for a lack of a better term racism towards the Rossiyskaya's by the Russkiy's?

Well, Russkiys are a subset of Rossiyskiy, so this question is equivalent to asking if Texans are racist towards Americans.
Georgia was part of USSR, but not part of the Russia. There were 15 republics in USSR, like Ukraine, Kazahstan, Georgia, Russia, Belarus. They are all now independent states.

 

[Desslok]

Well I know a few Texan's that are racist towards other Americans. Isn't the same true over there?

 

[SuperTool]

I guess it would be more closer to white Americans being prejudiced against all Americans including themselves.
Yes, some Russkiys don't like other peoples living in Russian Federation, just like some whites in US don't like other races living here. But it's no excuse for Compton to declare independence

 

[Desslok]

No it isn't an excuse to declare independance. At the same time however what difference does it make to the avg ivan if they are a part of Russia?

 

[SuperTool]

OK I am going to sleep.
If Russia lets Chechnya go, eventually the whole country will desintegrate. A strong centralized state is the glue that holds all the pieces together.
It's not going to happen. Russians have been fighting in Chechnya for 200 years, they'll fight for another 200 years.

 

[MadRat]

This is the second time Chechen rebels kidnapped a Russian crowd. Glad to see that they didn't let them get away this time.

The first kidnapping turned into a farce as the rebel leader made super hero status in Chechnya. This time the leader perished which is a good thing for the Russians.