Yes, I've enjoyed AMD processors, but why am I waiting for AMD now?

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aigomorla

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

I can't believe in over 15 responses not a single person asked: "What do you do with your computer ???"

Originally posted by: bupkus
I like AMD processors to a large degree cause I liked the cheap motherboards with real good IGPs that you could find thrown in for peanuts.

Hands down the AMD 690g IGP is the finest on the market - and in the next month or so the AMD 780G should roll out with IGP dx10, pixel shader 3.0 and UVD.

X2 5400+ 2.8GHz AM2 65W $100

GIGABYTE GA-MA69GM-S2H AM2 AMD 690G HDMI $90
(seems to me the price has gone up $15 in the last month or so - but what do I know? I'm frugal and retarded :) )


Or feel free to spend $220-$280 on the Intel CPUs recommended herein if 2.8GHz (probably 3.3 OC on stock volts) isn't ""snappy"" enough for you ....

because that question is pointless.

AMD is lower quality in performance compared to intel.
Intel is faster, uses less power, runs cooler.
More board are out for intel LGA775. Wolfdale would slaughter any AMD processor out right now, lets not get into yorkfield.

And lets say you bought the chip because you heard a rumor saying they were more interesting to overclock..

no... 3 days of headaches trying to get the system stable, having it crash whenever you played with bios. BAH

no... gave AMD a chance with phenom even knowing they had less performance, and they failed horribly. There not fun at all to overclock.
 

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Originally posted by: bupkus
I like AMD processors to a large degree cause I liked the cheap motherboards with real good IGPs that you could find thrown in for peanuts.

So what the heck is going on with AMD? I want to pass my current 939 X2 6150 computer on to someone else and upgrade to where I can use some of that DDR2 memory I bought just before the bottom fell out of the price. :frown:

I'm getting a little chubby over Wolfdale but man I'm just not used to spending over $100 for dual core processors anymore. My, what's a girl to do?*

*Line stolen from the movie Radio Days.

Edit of title

I am having alot of problems with your post . A lot! Do you build systems for others.

I see you say that you are running a 939 X2 6150. When did you buy this system ?

If its for gaming why do you need to upgrade? AMD works just fine. What socket did AMD drop that everyone got upset about?

Are you thinking of going to qcore? I just don't get it. You have a nice system that had to have been built after C2D was released. Because of the $100 price you put on X2 3800.

Before C2D X2 3800 was selling for outragious amount of money.

Do I build for others? Yes, so I often have a few unused parts sitting here.
I built my current system over a year ago and my need for power diminished when I stopped playing UT2004. I have more than enough IGP now to play the game Risk.
I can't say I really need a new system at the moment. This one is doing everything I need for now. If I find an opportunity to sell it which can happen almost any time I will want to upgrade for the next few years. I had 2x1gb sticks of Corsair DDR that I parted out to a customer so I now have only 1 stick. I tend to sell what I'm using with of course an understanding with the buyer.
A Wolfdale would probably take me well into the next decade should that scenario occur.
I don't think I am or will be in need of a quad system. I expect to do some programming (php, web, etc) but multimedia is as yet unexpected.
Should I come into some bucks I would like to build a new DDR2 system and I have become less interested in OCing and more in small quiet yet nice performing systems. I guess that's why I want something built on the 45nm scaling. Is the purchase imminent? Not until I can make some sales and I don't know for sure when that will be.
All the best to you all for so many interesting comments and all done with politeness to each other.
I will hold onto this system until I sell it at which time I will probably go with a Wolfdale core.
I don't think the nehalem will use anything but DDR3, so if I'm ever going to use my stock of DDR2 with a 45nm it'll probably be a Wolfdale. Yes, I do wish I had not purchased the DDR2 but that's just not useful.

 

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It really is too bad about phenom. From what I have read it should be a pretty good product. It was a late response to conroe, and it launched at absurdly low speeds, but it does make AMDs desktop products competitive with conroe/kentsfield at stock speeds. But as I said, it was too late, since Intel was ready to release penryn by the time phenom launched. It looks like AMD sat on their K8 laurels for too long, and then had all of the predictable engineering difficulties when a relatively small company tries to out R&D a giant a like Intel on a deadline.

The errata is a real backbreaker for AMD. It makes their only potentially attractive mid-range product a complete joke. Why buy a bugged product when someone else is offering a faster better product at a similar price? Especially on the server/business front. And I haven't even started talking about the overclocking overhead gap between C2D and X2 that really kills AMd in the enthusiast market. So the combination is a complete disaster, they have managed to remove themselves completely from the enthusiast and server markets in just over one calendar year. Hopefully they can survive through '08 and come back in 2009/2010 with a competitive griffin or spider. But it's hard imagine a worse short term outlook for AMD...


and V8envy: you can always buy that 3600 manchester and build an HTPC with your old rig, rather than wasting that shiny, pimped out Platinum Rev 2 DDR!
 

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That's the ram indeed! If I were the e-baying kind I'd see if I can unload it there. Should pay for a lion's share of my upgrade. BTW, a 3600x2 isn't enough for an HD HTPC. Not enough to play back / decrypt an HD disk under Linux, anyway. I'd have to spend another $40-50 bucks on a modern video card to make it go. Just simply not worth messing with.

For $200 bucks (cpu, motherboard, 2 gigs ram) I got a shiny new platform that should last me a couple of years. And it is powerful enough to decode HD video on cpu with a basic PCIe video card.

But speaking of shiny ram did give me an idea. Right now I have the G.Skill 800 mhz stuff in my 2180 based HTPC -- at 300 fsb (should take it to 333, really) that ram is very very underclocked. OTOH, I have 4 gigs of PC667 ram in my desktop, which is limiting my Xeon's OC. I think I'll do a bit of ram swapping when I get home and see if I can get another 330 mhz out of the 2180 and 400 mhz out of my Xeon. =)
 

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oops, I don't have an hdtv or any sort of hd-dvd/blu-ray player, so I do tend to underestimate the processing power required for hd DVR work. although i'd be suprised if an OC'd 3600+ was completely incapable of basic DVR functionality. But the need for a good graphics card is definitely still a hitch. And, of course, if you already have an htpc then this whole discussion is moot. good luck with the ram-swap, it sounds like the right thing to do.

and thanks for mentioning ebay. now that I see that 2x1GB of OCZ plat. rev 2 is going for $70-$100 there I might just try and sell my own...
 

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I was just like you, I had a 939 x4200 running 2.4ghz, when E8400 first came out, I jumped on the bandwagen, man, now I am so glad I did, when my old system run fully loaded with 2xF@H, it used 195-200 watts ver killawatt), I upgraded it with a E8400 and abit ip35pro, now my rig uses 140 watts at default speed, 150 watts at 3.6ghz, that's 50 watts saving, and most importantly it is 2-3 times faster than x2 4200 at 2.4ghz when F@H. currently the most power hurry component in my rig is the 8800gts 320m.
Go with a E8400, it is so efficient, you won't be disappointed.
 

Killrose

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Over in the Hotdeals forums people are saying Frys is unloading their dual-core Intel CPU's. $30 for a Conroe 6300 which i'm sure you could OC like a mother is pretty tempting.
 

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Originally posted by: Killrose
Over in the Hotdeals forums people are saying Frys is unloading their dual-core Intel CPU's. $30 for a Conroe 6300 which i'm sure you could OC like a mother is pretty tempting.

Dude!
I just called Frys local and I now have one on willcall!
Thank you for a $30 deal.
It's oem and may be a return (don't know) but I have a few days to find out and I have a $10 store credit to boot.

Now, until I sell the one I have I can set up that linux server and work on my php/mysql/apache... sweet.
 

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I'll probably stick with AMD for my future system builds. Most current CPUs are fast enough for me and the only time I noticed any difference is when I benchmark them -- but for actual use, I can't really feel any difference between my slower and faster systems unless I'm doing something like encoding videos or playing a game with state of the art graphics.

Since we all have multiple computers I think we should all make at least one of our systems be an AMD system to help them survive through this tough period. AMD needs to survive this tough period -- having competition is a good thing.
 

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Originally posted by: StormRider
Since we all have multiple computers I think we should all make at least one of our systems be an AMD system to help them survive through this tough period. AMD needs to survive this tough period -- having competition is a good thing.

I've been buying AMD for years. In fact, I'd say my builds have been in the ratio of 20:1 in AMD's favor but I don't have the resources to sustain AMD through this trial. I sincerely hope AMD rebounds with a new stepping post errata and can again secure some market share.

However, today I'm a new owner of an E6300 at a price point that made this purchase easy. My thanks goes out again to Killrose for the heads up. :thumbsup:
 

bigpow

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bupkus, I was like that before I jumped on E8400 bandwagon
Couldn't be happier!

AMD was good (fast-n-cheap) for a good 5-6years, but like they said: All good things must come to an end.

When AMD scrapped s939, I knew I'd jump to Intel.

I spent $300 for my X2 3800+ (running @2.5G since day one) and $200 for my new E8400 (running @4G since day one)
Intel is the new AMD :D
 

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Running an XP3000+, Opteron 148, Opteron 180. I've also owned a K63-450, AMD386dx-40 and tbird 1.4. The 180 is my main rig right now and I don't forsee upgrading for quite some time. When it is time for me to upgrade, I'm hoping that AMD has a more refined and sexy solution for me. As much as I'm not a fanboy, I am a long-time and happy AMD owner. I'm just glad that I'm not in the market for a new rig right now otherwise I'd be pretty bummed since the Phenom is out of the gate without much of a trot. I suspect in 1 to 2 years time, AMD's offerings will be much more interesting.
 

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Ive enjoyed plenty of AMD processors in the past, but as of right now... rubbing my nuts on a cheese grater > AMD Phailnom.

I have not constructed an AMD system for 14 months now (im a system builder).
 

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Last time I bought an AMD processor, it was in the mid-1980s, when they'd produced a 15 Mhz replacement for the 5 Mhz Intel 8088. Or maybe it was only 8 or 9 Mhz -- I don't remember exactly.

Here's what I think about all this, knowing that I could've sprung for an AMD-compatible parts-array in '03 or '04, but I went with Pentium 4 Northwood and Prescott. If I had caught the initial dual-core wave to surf, as I've attempted the metaphor many times before, I don't know what I'd be doing today. I let that one pass me by, and kept treading water until the Conroe hit. I waited as Smithfield and Presler rolled by. I had friends who went through two builds and lost money -- first, disgruntled with an Athlon 64 X2 system finding the motherboard lacking, then, upset that their Presler was the early production run with thermals that seemed worse than Prescott.

There are two dominant firms in this market. It looks almost like a duopoly, even though there are other alternatives to the i386 instruction-set architecture. Even Apple, as a maverick OEM with its own OS, has swung over to Intel.

I saw the reviews for Phenom pitted against the QX9650, and it just doesn't look good for AMD at all. I imagine that Intel had made real technological advances over the last three years, and, as counterpart to the surfing analogy, used a carefully planned marketing strategy to shut down AMD.

And even for Intel aficianados, this is not good if AMD continues to limp along one step behind. For a lot of reasons. I'd like to seem them both slugging it out, with no clear winner carrying the lead for more than a year's time.

So you wonder what it is exactly that Intel's got going, yet to implement a merging of memory controller and processor with Nehalem as AMD had done for a long, long time. I'm averse to industrial espionage, and would like to see AMD . . . . do something . . . on its own . . . to level the playing field. Even if I stick with Intel.

What are we gonna do, if Intel just rests on its laurels and slows down Moore's Law, exempt from competitive pressures? Heaven forbid -- I might even get my credit card paid off.

 

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When it came time to build another computer last Nov/Dec I had decided that regardless of what I read I would stay loyal to AMD. I built a little rig with a 5600+ and used it for a bit and while it was generations better than my last computer I was nagged by what I read...
I decided to start from scratch and got whats in my sig. I still use that other computer (at work now) and it does alright but at home where I do a lot of re-encoding it cannot keep up. The 5600+ was at 3.0 and the C2D is at 3.2 and I knocked almost 12 minutes of a dvd encode and not only that. While encoding on my 3200+ you couldn't do anything else even with low priority encodes, that got better with the 5600+ but you still got stutters running an MKV to a large TV if encoding.

Not the C2D, I can encode/download/play an MKV and probably more but since I'm only human and only have 2 eyes theres only so much I can do.

I will buy AMD again and remain loyal to ATI also but I couldn't ignore these C2D chips, I may grab an E8400 just to see how it fairs too.
 

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Originally posted by: bupkus

I've been buying AMD for years. In fact, I'd say my builds have been in the ratio of 20:1 in AMD's favor but I don't have the resources to sustain AMD through this trial. I sincerely hope AMD rebounds with a new stepping post errata and can again secure some market share.

However, today I'm a new owner of an E6300 at a price point that made this purchase easy. My thanks goes out again to Killrose for the heads up. :thumbsup:

Grats :)

I was in the same boat... Loved all my Athlon systems, but as soon as the Phenom reviews came out and it flopped, I went with the better product. I did at least buy an ATI (owned by AMD) video card -- partly for the lower power consumption, and partly to throw a dollar their way while they recover.
 

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Originally posted by: StormRider
I'll probably stick with AMD for my future system builds. Most current CPUs are fast enough for me and the only time I noticed any difference is when I benchmark them -- but for actual use, I can't really feel any difference between my slower and faster systems unless I'm doing something like encoding videos or playing a game with state of the art graphics.

Since we all have multiple computers I think we should all make at least one of our systems be an AMD system to help them survive through this tough period. AMD needs to survive this tough period -- having competition is a good thing.


Well said. I buy AMD for the exact same reasons. I would only buy and Intel system right now for a ICH9R chipset and a low power CPU for a server if I were to buy.
 

batmang

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Maybe your like me and just did want to go with AMD... just because. Check out my sig, JUST built it a week ago. I love it.
 

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I've produced some long detailed posts about my view on AMD in the past about their current situation but to sum it up I would say they have, and still are kicking themselves in the foot and therefore keep on suffering from a dead leg.

They are slow to react, pointlessly over hype something yet manage to virtually ruin their share price, have no clear vision how to get out of this mess, are bleeding money, have no means to produce a better performing chip for at least 6 months and their confidence seems to be yet unchanged which leads to this dire performance.

It's basically what you get if you throw a bunch of ego maniacs all in one room all thinking they're kings and queens of this world but the fact of the money is they are, but only in theory.

Nothing to wait for unless you like a long ride. 2008 will be a poor year for AMD, there just isn't anything they can or seem to want to do. They have been slapped in the face and act as if the wound is still sour so can't move on and setup a true fight by getting their act really together. 45nm won't rescue AMD over night. They will just add more cache and leave the northbridge/L3 cache at 2GHz so the net result will be 5% performance boost per clock overall/generally speaking.

It's both striking and amusing how AMD thought they could pull the Phenom off at 65nm, I could laugh over a few beers with the big buys at Intel all night as it really makes your eyes pop out in amazement. For those unaware what I'm talking about. AMD always had problems with their 65nm, X2's till this day top out at 2.6GHz for this very reason. AMD thought they could do magic and considered making Phenoms will be easier. How? Perhaps they had a bit too much to drink on the night they made this decision. Phenom is a massive 281mm2 die size. If you have problems making a die 50% smaller than this at 65nm, there is no way in hell you'll have less problems making one that's 200% the size. AMD thinking they're a magician decided to go ahead with the monolithic idea anyway and bingo, yields are average at best. On one side you get a bunch of dies that have at least 1 core damaged and on the other, you get dies that won't clock above 2.4GHz unless you feed them a lot of voltage (a clear indicator of bad silicon).

AMD never wanted to make tri-cores, they just don't want to be left with all these foul dies that's lost money for them. They need to recover some of that at least, even if only to on the surface try and impress investors of their smart thinking and devotion to making good business.

Folks who decide these things are paid handsomely plus get great stock options and yet still prove they're not worth the money. No true MSc + PhD + MBA guy would make such a bad move unless he doesn't care for his career, at all. If whoever made this move at AMD isn't already fired, then it just shows how cocked up AMD management is.

If there is a time frame worth waiting for in terms of AMD, it's 2009 however I fear AMD won't pull out of this itself. It's going to be a buyout for them I reckon. AMD may be left with 51% control, time will tell.

Business has no sweethearts, they did wrong and now they're paying for it and it's only their fault.

The only reason AMD did well with the K7/K8 is that they bought a lot of knowledge with their buyout of Nexgen back in the 1990's, which the then K6 was living proof, a first in a series of CPU's we all know very well. The problem is they got over-confident in the process and forgot they're a small company.

Buying ATI, ahh well, too much too early is how to sum this up. They could have just brought in the knowledge to design chipsets. They don't need GPU's really to be successful at selling CPU's, unless you could the IGP's. I guess Hector Ruiz wanted to go out with a bang, and he surely will, time is ticking :)
 

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Originally posted by: FoxeryI did at least buy an ATI (owned by AMD) video card -- partly for the lower power consumption
According to one review, the per watt performance of ATI's 38xx parts is lower than Nvidia's 88xx parts. They said the power consumption is lower if you don't take performance into account. When you do, the power consumption is higher.

That's pretty bad since the ATI chips are made with a smaller process.