Yemen, next to fall

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sunzt

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Looks like Yemen's government is about to fall in a relatively bloodless coup. We'll see if the Saleh will flip out on his own people or not.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/03/21/yemen.protests/index.html?hpt=C2

(CNN) -- Three top generals in Yemen declared their support for anti-government protests Monday as a wave of officials, including the deputy speaker of parliament, announced their resignations.

One of the generals who broke ranks will order his troops to protect civilians demonstrating against the country's longtime president, he said in Yemen.

Maj. Gen. Ali Mohsen Al-Ahmar's announcement ramps up the pressure on President Ali Abdullah Saleh, who is seeing cracks in his support after 32 years in power.

The general belongs to an important tribe whose backing is significant for Saleh.

A high-level Yemeni source said Saleh can hang on to power if he wants to unleash the forces that are still loyal to him.

The source does not know whether the president will do that and is not sure a tipping point has been reached.

Saleh has been a key United States ally as al Qaeda turns his country into a base. Radical American-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki is believed to be hiding in Yemen.

The cleric has been linked to terror plots including the attempt to bomb a Detroit-bound plane on Christmas Day 2009, and he corresponded separately with a British Airways employee about trying to smuggle explosives onto planes.

Top American officials including U.S. President Barack Obama's counter-terror chief have traveled to Yemen to meet with Saleh, and leaked diplomatic cables suggest Saleh's government helped disguise strikes by U.S. unmanned drones on terror targets in Yemen as Yemeni actions.

Saleh may be reaching out to regional powers for support in the face of protests.

He is sending Foreign Minister Abu Bakr Al-Qirbi to Saudi Arabia with "a Presidential Letter to the Saudi Monarch," the first Yemeni source said, adding that he did not know what is in the letter.

Saudi Arabia is one of a number of Gulf nations that sent troops to Bahrain last week in the face of unrest there. The Saudis did not respond to requests for comments about the message from Saleh.

"Government officials in Yemen see what's going on today as having the signs of an early stage of a bloodless coup," the Yemeni official said.

But, according to a government official who is not authorized to speak to the media and asked not to be named, Saleh is not showing any signs of resigning.

"I'm bracing myself for military clashes," the official said.

Dozens of ambassadors and officials announced their support for the "peaceful revolution" on Monday, the source said.

They included a provincial governor, members of parliament and the governing party, and an official in the prime minister's office, plus top envoys to Saudi Arabia, China and Pakistan and diplomats in the U.S. and Russia.

Yemen's U.N. ambassador, who resigned Sunday, said Monday that Saleh should make a dignified exit for the good of the country.

"The president has done some good things, but everything has an end, and he should step down," Abdullah Al-Saidi said.

Senior U.S. officials believe that Saleh may have a hard time holding on amid all of these defections.

The officials say Al-Ahmar has strong connections, not only in the security apparatus but with the tribes, which is a powerful combination. However, it isn't at all clear what the youth and the opposition think of him, they said.

The European Union said Monday that it "strongly condemns the use of force against protesters and deeply deplores the injuries and loss of life caused. It urges the security forces to refrain from the use of violence immediately."

The EU and its members will "review their policies towards Yemen" if demonstrators are attacked again, it said.

Saleh dismissed his Cabinet on Sunday, after the weekend resignations of two top Yemeni officials to protest a government crackdown on protesters that left 52 people dead last week.

Saleh asked the officials to stay on until a new Cabinet is appointed, according to Tareq Al-Shami, a spokesman for the country's ruling party.

Yemen's embassy in the United States said there will be an investigation into the deaths of the protesters on Friday.

"The perpetrators of this heinous act will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law," the embassy said, expressing "its condolences and heartfelt sorrow for the loss of innocent lives."

Yemen's chief prosecutor has launched an investigation into the shootings in Sanaa on Friday and is questioning 17 people accused of orchestrating the massacre, the statement said.

Human Rights Minister Huda al-Bann resigned over the crackdown, according to an official in her office who is not authorized to speak to the media and asked not to be named.

The resignations came amid new signs of cracks in support for Saleh.

Senior ruling party member Mohammed Abulahoum said Sunday that Saleh "should seriously consider a good, safe exit strategy" to "prepare the foundation in Yemen for a good transfer of power from him to the next authority or president."

Abulahoum "strongly" condemned Friday's violence and, in protest, has withdrawn a plan he proposed to mediate between the president and the opposition.

Members of Saleh's own tribe are also calling for him to step down, according to Yemeni ruling party officials who have asked not to be named as they are not authorized to speak to the media.

Tens of thousands of people protested Sunday outside Sanaa University in the capital, eyewitnesses said. CNN was not able to independently confirm the size of the protests.

Funerals were held Sunday for some of the people killed in attacks Friday, with bodies of the victims carried through the streets.

In addition to the fatalities, more than 100 people were hurt Friday in clashes between tens of thousands of anti-government protesters and security forces outside the university, medical officials on the scene said.

Saleh announced that a state of emergency had been declared, and he expressed his "deep regret" over the casualties.

Witnesses said the clashes began after government supporters and anti-government demonstrators threw rocks at each other. Security forces shot into the air and then into the crowd; they also fired tear gas to try to disperse the crowd, witnesses said.

Yemen has been wracked by weeks of unrest, with thousands protesting Saleh's government.

High unemployment has fueled much of the anger among a growing young population steeped in poverty. The protesters also cite government corruption and a lack of political freedom.

The president has said he will not run for another term in the next round of elections. He also has pledged to bring a new constitution to a vote by the end of the year and transfer government power to an elected parliamentary system.
 

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The problem about saying the government of Yemen is about to fall lies in the fact that Yemen has no real government as it is.

And even if major political reform comes to Yemen, the problem in Yemen is really the lack of any real economy able to take care or help the people of Yemen.

To some extent, God forgot to give Yemen any natural resources.
 
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Looks like Yemen's government is about to fall in a relatively bloodless coup. We'll see if the Saleh will flip out on his own people or not.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/03/21/yemen.protests/index.html?hpt=C2

In one word.

No.

It might be next on the list though, there are no troops known in there to report back, it wasn't really expected and the border was shut down even harder after there was no one let in without proper papers.

You don't get to target without someone leaving a mark on a target in a zone where there are civilians.

If you are asking me, which some do and believe me and then after the fact don't think reality is real... Nebor, well, then not until August.

By then the rebels will have taken over and last missions were one month ago, at that point, if the people want it enouch...
 
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The problem about saying the government of Yemen is about to fall lies in the fact that Yemen has no real government as it is.

And even if major political reform comes to Yemen, the problem in Yemen is really the lack of any real economy able to take care or help the people of Yemen.

To some extent, God forgot to give Yemen any natural resources.

Wow, no, where did you get that from?

They have a monetary system with a central bank, a government and leadership, they also have a military...

Are you perchance daft beyond all belief?
 

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The president dumped all of his cabinet yesterday.

We have no idea how well that government will operate with some of the senior military gone as wells as the upper level of government.
 
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The president dumped all of his cabinet yesterday.

We have no idea how well that government will operate with some of the senior military gone as wells as the upper level of government.

It was the response to the previous military actions, the military are now part of the government...

It's happening real fucking fast over there and i'd say that in a couple of weeks it will be a military dictatorship much like Egypt is and will remain no matter what anyone hopes for, power over all armed forces isn't something these twats let go of.

That is also a reason why we need to show them that military power isn't much might if it's used against democratic forces.

And in the end, that is where we agree, as usual... heh... i suppose that when you watch each others six's that is where you end up... :)
 

Lemon law

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Wow, no, where did you get that from?

They have a monetary system with a central bank, a government and leadership, they also have a military...

Are you perchance daft beyond all belief?
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I submit to you JOS, that you are the only idiot daft beyond all belief. Gee Yemen has a monetary system, government and leadership, and double wow a military, but all three of them combined cannot produce the , food, fuel, and the natural resources to sustain a civilization or feed the people.

Now that Somalian fisheries have become gostoppen due to industrialized overfishing, neither can Somalia, but when the going gets tough, the tough turn to piracy.

Your problem JOS is that you can't walk 1/4 of an inch in someones else shoes, and then you are always perpetually amazed that the people and the leadership of other nations do not see things exactly like you think they should.
 
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I submit to you JOS, that you are the only idiot daft beyond all belief. Gee Yemen has a monetary system, government and leadership, and double wow a military, but all three of them combined cannot produce the , food, fuel, and the natural resources to sustain a civilization or feed the people.

Now that Somalian fisheries have become gostoppen due to overfishing, neither can Somalia, but when the going gets tough, the tough turn to piracy.

And yet they have for a long fucking time, why can't you EVER admit that you don't have the faintest fucking clue and just agree to shut up about it before making an even bigger fool out of yourself, you haven't had ONE correct statement against me yet.

I don't guess, i fucking know, you just talk out of your arse and yet you are unwilling to give up when Yemenis government per the declaration of their military have issued orders for the civilians?

Somalia is a SHEITLOAD diffent and stop trying to bring irrelevant shit of other nations into this...

But if you were to stop lying, you'd have to stop posting all together... can't have that, can we?

YES WE CAN!
 

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I see no reason why Yemen shouldn't be rich. They have a whole desert full of sunlight to produce power and a sea to convert to fresh water with the power. Desert plus water equals a garden, I think.
 

werepossum

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It was the response to the previous military actions, the military are now part of the government...

It's happening real fucking fast over there and i'd say that in a couple of weeks it will be a military dictatorship much like Egypt is and will remain no matter what anyone hopes for, power over all armed forces isn't something these twats let go of.

That is also a reason why we need to show them that military power isn't much might if it's used against democratic forces.

And in the end, that is where we agree, as usual... heh... i suppose that when you watch each others six's that is where you end up... :)
That would be my (albeit uninformed) guess, exchanging one dictator for another.

I see no reason why Yemen shouldn't be rich. They have a whole desert full of sunlight to produce power and a sea to convert to fresh water with the power. Desert plus water equals a garden, I think.
Not if you're addicted to throwing rocks. Then it equals a desert full of broken glass.
 
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That would be my (albeit uninformed) guess, exchanging one dictator for another.

An intermittent military rule, a la Egypt to hold peace (needs to be by own forces) until democratic elections (with no outside influences other than observers) can be held.

You know me well enough to know that i'm not much for believing in these nations will, i pretty much hated it when Mubarak had to give in, but if the people can get proper elections...

It is the best we can hope for, even if it will inevitably lead to corruption in the beginning, much like in Russia.

Why do you think Putin is shitting bricks right now while the elected leader finally got the guts to tell him to shut the fuck up?

I dunno, maybe i'm just nuts but it puts a smile on my face.
 
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I see no reason why Yemen shouldn't be rich. They have a whole desert full of sunlight to produce power and a sea to convert to fresh water with the power. Desert plus water equals a garden, I think.

There's only one nation that has successfully made a garden in the sheithole that is the ME and last time we tried to educate others on how to do it they attacked us.

For a man who cares more about his hate against others than his childrens well being there is no cure.
 

Zebo

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I see no reason why Yemen shouldn't be rich. They have a whole desert full of sunlight to produce power and a sea to convert to fresh water with the power. Desert plus water equals a garden, I think.

Inshallah fatalism.

For god will or will not provide and can step in on a whim no matter what you do.
 
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Inshallah fatalism.

For god will or will not provide and can step in on a whim no matter what you do.

Stange god they have, he seems to provide more than any dictator can spend in 10 lifetimes while the workers commonly starve to death.

Fatality.
 

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what has Saleh actually done for the country? besides line his and his buddies' pockets, I can't really remember any important and significant improvement he made in the lives of Yemenis. Yemen is one of the poorest countries not just in the ME but the world. The poverty there is unbelievable, the living standards are atrocious.

Also, i'd like to know who the smart ass is that declared half of Yemen's agricultural fields (which are very little btw) dedicated to Qat. Yea, great way to help the people by getting them addicted to a narcotic...
 

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Maybe they will rename in North Somalia. Anarchy and a sizeable Al Queda presence on Saudi Arabia's backdoor, what a combination.
 
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