Yay, I freaking LOVE it when people I didn't vote for increase my taxes

[Mill]

Complete and total fvcking bullsh!t. I didn't vote for any of these morons, and I certainly wouldn't have voted for this tax incease. It will be administered by Larry Langford(who created Visionland(my current employer), and allowed it to go bankrupt)) and Sheila Smoot, who freaking out tonight on the news and said people were trying to shoot her. I hope they do shoot her. I thought there was the whole issue of no taxation without representation?

You've GOT to see how gerrymandered the damn districts are to fully understand it. They purposely drew it so certain candidates would always get elected.

 

[Pers]

wow this definately seems to be unprecedented.






:roll:

 

[LordMagnusKain]

District 2 Commissioner Shelia Smoot cast the deciding vote in a 3-2 vote during Tuesday morning's meeting. Larry Langford and Mary Buckelew also voted for the measure.

I?m sorry, but do you not get to vote for any of the commissioners in your county?

But some commissioners believe children learn better when they're in a positive environment.

media bias.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Pers
wow this definately seems to be unprecedented.






:roll:

What's your point? Having a cursory, non-caring reaction is exactly what got these peckerheads elected. It is a damn shame that you we can't vote for all members of the CC, and I think that is quite dastardly. If people don't speak out and bitch about it then they will keep doing the same thing time after time. I'm tired of my money being stolen to help build schools in areas which I don't live. I don't have kids, so why should I pay for the brat down the street to be in a brand new school? The HS I went to was built in 1951. It was good enough for me, and it is good enough for them. Hell, they just remodeled the damn thing, so why do they need a new building? Ah, because it SOUNDS good on paper, and all they care about is getting reelected. Obviously my fellow voters that CAN vote for these asshats are myopic little pissants who are so naive that they don't understand this is costing them money. These little feel-good bullsh!t resolutions and tax increases completely bamboozle the average citizen, but perhaps most just stopped giving a fvck. If you don't want to give a damn then that's your right.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

District 2 Commissioner Shelia Smoot cast the deciding vote in a 3-2 vote during Tuesday morning's meeting. Larry Langford and Mary Buckelew also voted for the measure.

I?m sorry, but do you not get to vote for any of the commissioners in your county?

But some commissioners believe children learn better when they're in a positive environment.

media bias.

I get to vote for one out of 5. So obviously that is complete crap! And for the record I wrote in my cousin's name, because I wasn't about to vote for Mary freaking Buckelew. She brings pork barrel projects and taxes to a freaking head-pounding extreme.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

District 2 Commissioner Shelia Smoot cast the deciding vote in a 3-2 vote during Tuesday morning's meeting. Larry Langford and Mary Buckelew also voted for the measure.

I?m sorry, but do you not get to vote for any of the commissioners in your county?

But some commissioners believe children learn better when they're in a positive environment.

media bias.

I get to vote for one out of 5. So obviously that is complete crap!

No, because 1.) you voted for the legislature that allowed these people to rase taxes and 2.) a representative democracy of representatives from equal districts is still a representative democracy.

On the other hand, it looks like they are trying to line the pockets of a construction firm, and the media is happy to smile about the regressive tax hike because it?s ?for the children?

Go to districts from which these bozo?s that passed this are elected and encourage your citizens not to give money to your local corrupt politicians.
And for the record I wrote in my cousin's name, because I wasn't about to vote for Mary freaking

Buckelew. She brings pork barrel projects and taxes to a freaking head-pounding extreme.

That you didn?t vote for the particular candidates that wone doesn?t mean you didn?t get a chance not to have them in office.

 

[Mill]

No, because 1.) you voted for the legislature that allowed these people to rase taxes and 2.) a representative democracy of representatives from equal districts is still a representative democracy.

No, I didn't vote for the legislature that allowed this. Secondly, it isn't a representative democracy when by someone who is criminally unfit, and who you didn't vote for.

On the other hand, it looks like they are trying to line the pockets of a construction firm, and the media is happy to smile about the regressive tax hike because it?s ?for the children?

Well minus the media part I agree. The media has actually been very hard on them about it(what little coverage there has been).

Go to districts from which these bozo?s that passed this are elected and encourage your citizens not to give money to your local corrupt politicians.

Well, one is from my local district, so I plan to talk about her a lot, and I always have. The other two are from districts that would be hazardous to my health. i.e. the ghetto, and I'm white.

That you didn?t vote for the particular candidates that wone doesn?t mean you didn?t get a chance not to have them in office.

Sure it does, care to elaborate?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Sure it does, care to elaborate?

if i vote for bush and kerry wins and rases taxes, that doesn't mean that i wasn't represented in said tax hike; just that my view lost.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Sure it does, care to elaborate?

if i vote for bush and kerry wins and rases taxes, that doesn't mean that i wasn't represented in said tax hike; just that my view lost.

Right. but speaking in symbolic terms I don't believe that you can be represented by someone who doesn't agree with you at all. Perhaps you are right semantically, but let's actually think about the whole situation, and not just words. I'd consider myself to be represented here if they had said, yes we understand those of you that are against this, and this is why we think you are too dumb to vote. They didn't do that and just went ahead and voted. For me to be represented I have to be given a voice, and some type of acknowledgment that they hear me. That's how it used to be.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: Mill
Complete and total fvcking bullsh!t. I didn't vote for any of these morons, and I certainly wouldn't have voted for this tax incease. It will be administered by Larry Langford(who created Visionland(my current employer), and allowed it to go bankrupt)) and Sheila Smoot, who freaking out tonight on the news and said people were trying to shoot her. I hope they do shoot her. I thought there was the whole issue of no taxation without representation?

You've GOT to see how gerrymandered the damn districts are to fully understand it. They purposely drew it so certain candidates would always get elected.

Well, go to their district and start a movement to recall them. It's what the law allows for you to do in such cases.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: Mill
Complete and total fvcking bullsh!t. I didn't vote for any of these morons, and I certainly wouldn't have voted for this tax incease. It will be administered by Larry Langford(who created Visionland(my current employer), and allowed it to go bankrupt)) and Sheila Smoot, who freaking out tonight on the news and said people were trying to shoot her. I hope they do shoot her. I thought there was the whole issue of no taxation without representation?

You've GOT to see how gerrymandered the damn districts are to fully understand it. They purposely drew it so certain candidates would always get elected.

Well, go to their district and start a movement to recall them. It's what the law allows for you to do in such cases.

Not in Alabama...

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Mill
What's your point? Having a cursory, non-caring reaction is exactly what got these peckerheads elected. It is a damn shame that you we can't vote for all members of the CC, and I think that is quite dastardly. If people don't speak out and bitch about it then they will keep doing the same thing time after time. I'm tired of my money being stolen to help build schools in areas which I don't live. I don't have kids, so why should I pay for the brat down the street to be in a brand new school? The HS I went to was built in 1951. It was good enough for me, and it is good enough for them. Hell, they just remodeled the damn thing, so why do they need a new building? Ah, because it SOUNDS good on paper, and all they care about is getting reelected. Obviously my fellow voters that CAN vote for these asshats are myopic little pissants who are so naive that they don't understand this is costing them money. These little feel-good bullsh!t resolutions and tax increases completely bamboozle the average citizen, but perhaps most just stopped giving a fvck. If you don't want to give a damn then that's your right.

Wah. Grow up. I do not like paying for the war on Iraq. I did not get a vote on 98 of the Senators. I did not get a vote on 434 of the Representatives. I did not vote for Dubya. I am still stuck paying for their recklessness. That is not taxation without representation.

Everyone pays taxes for things they do not use or do not want. If you do not like it, get out and campaign against it. If enough voters agree, you get it your way. If not, boo hoo. That is the way a democracy works. If you can not handle that, move to an uninhabited island where you call the shots.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Mill
What's your point? Having a cursory, non-caring reaction is exactly what got these peckerheads elected. It is a damn shame that you we can't vote for all members of the CC, and I think that is quite dastardly. If people don't speak out and bitch about it then they will keep doing the same thing time after time. I'm tired of my money being stolen to help build schools in areas which I don't live. I don't have kids, so why should I pay for the brat down the street to be in a brand new school? The HS I went to was built in 1951. It was good enough for me, and it is good enough for them. Hell, they just remodeled the damn thing, so why do they need a new building? Ah, because it SOUNDS good on paper, and all they care about is getting reelected. Obviously my fellow voters that CAN vote for these asshats are myopic little pissants who are so naive that they don't understand this is costing them money. These little feel-good bullsh!t resolutions and tax increases completely bamboozle the average citizen, but perhaps most just stopped giving a fvck. If you don't want to give a damn then that's your right.

Wah. Grow up. I do not like paying for the war on Iraq. I did not get a vote on 98 of the Senators. I did not get a vote on 434 of the Representatives. I did not vote for Dubya. I am still stuck paying for their recklessness. That is not taxation without representation.

Everyone pays taxes for things they do not use or do not want. If you do not like it, get out and campaign against it. If enough voters agree, you get it your way. If not, boo hoo. That is the way a democracy works. If you can not handle that, move to an uninhabited island where you call the shots.

Are you voting for John Kerry?

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Mill
What's your point? Having a cursory, non-caring reaction is exactly what got these peckerheads elected. It is a damn shame that you we can't vote for all members of the CC, and I think that is quite dastardly. If people don't speak out and bitch about it then they will keep doing the same thing time after time. I'm tired of my money being stolen to help build schools in areas which I don't live. I don't have kids, so why should I pay for the brat down the street to be in a brand new school? The HS I went to was built in 1951. It was good enough for me, and it is good enough for them. Hell, they just remodeled the damn thing, so why do they need a new building? Ah, because it SOUNDS good on paper, and all they care about is getting reelected. Obviously my fellow voters that CAN vote for these asshats are myopic little pissants who are so naive that they don't understand this is costing them money. These little feel-good bullsh!t resolutions and tax increases completely bamboozle the average citizen, but perhaps most just stopped giving a fvck. If you don't want to give a damn then that's your right.

Wah. Grow up. I do not like paying for the war on Iraq. I did not get a vote on 98 of the Senators. I did not get a vote on 434 of the Representatives. I did not vote for Dubya. I am still stuck paying for their recklessness. That is not taxation without representation.

Everyone pays taxes for things they do not use or do not want. If you do not like it, get out and campaign against it. If enough voters agree, you get it your way. If not, boo hoo. That is the way a democracy works. If you can not handle that, move to an uninhabited island where you call the shots.

Are you voting for John Kerry?

Are you able to stay on-topic?

 

[AEB]

Ill stay on topic a penny sales tax would be welcome here in AK we have no sales tax(in anchroage at elast), instead the tax that just passed is a DOLLAR per pack of cigarettes phased in over 4 years. This is on top of the already current 90% tabacco tax imposed on merchants.

Targeting a group of people is BS at least sales tax targets you weather you choose to kill yourself with cigarettes or oreos.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Mill
What's your point? Having a cursory, non-caring reaction is exactly what got these peckerheads elected. It is a damn shame that you we can't vote for all members of the CC, and I think that is quite dastardly. If people don't speak out and bitch about it then they will keep doing the same thing time after time. I'm tired of my money being stolen to help build schools in areas which I don't live. I don't have kids, so why should I pay for the brat down the street to be in a brand new school? The HS I went to was built in 1951. It was good enough for me, and it is good enough for them. Hell, they just remodeled the damn thing, so why do they need a new building? Ah, because it SOUNDS good on paper, and all they care about is getting reelected. Obviously my fellow voters that CAN vote for these asshats are myopic little pissants who are so naive that they don't understand this is costing them money. These little feel-good bullsh!t resolutions and tax increases completely bamboozle the average citizen, but perhaps most just stopped giving a fvck. If you don't want to give a damn then that's your right.

Wah. Grow up. I do not like paying for the war on Iraq. I did not get a vote on 98 of the Senators. I did not get a vote on 434 of the Representatives. I did not vote for Dubya. I am still stuck paying for their recklessness. That is not taxation without representation.

Everyone pays taxes for things they do not use or do not want. If you do not like it, get out and campaign against it. If enough voters agree, you get it your way. If not, boo hoo. That is the way a democracy works. If you can not handle that, move to an uninhabited island where you call the shots.

Are you voting for John Kerry?

Are you able to stay on-topic?

I'll tie it together, I promise your honor. Answer the question. It is very relevant because Kerry voted for the War, thus if you vote for him then you are BEING represented by someone you voted for.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Mill
I'll tie it together, I promise your honor. Answer the question. It is very relevant because Kerry voted for the War, thus if you vote for him then you are BEING represented by someone you voted for.

That is a dumb argument. It misses the point entirely. I did not have a vote on Kerry before the war. I did not have a vote on 98 Senators and 434 Representatives. I do have to pay for their war. I do have to pay for their spending. When I disagree with them, I still do not get a vote. That is the way it works in the United States.

 

[AEB]

I think he means if you vote for kerry as pres then you are supporting his choice on the war so in essence even tho you didn't directly get to vote for the funding etc, your result would have been the same even if kerry would have been pres...



EDIT: as a side note the reason you dont get to vote for EVERYONE is because it is much harder for people to be represented by someone elected this way. look at what your senator votes on and how they vote you may be surprised. The guy running for local district up here put his home phone on his fliers telling people to call and ask him his positions on things. i doubt any senator would be willing to do this.

 

[1EZduzit]

AEB

The quote in your sig made me laugh. 🙂 Maybe it had something to do with this thread? 😉

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: AEB
I think he means if you vote for kerry as pres then you are supporting his choice on the war so in essence even tho you didn't directly get to vote for the funding etc, your result would have been the same even if kerry would have been pres...

I think that's what he means, too. But it's a pretty falacious argument. At the time he voted against Bush, war in Iraq was not an issue; and the relevant leader is (I assume) Gore.

Even then we all vote for people we don't entirely agree with; it's one of the compromises of representative democracy; we vote for the best representative available, and that is very rarely someone who we view as perfect.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: AEB
I think he means if you vote for kerry as pres then you are supporting his choice on the war so in essence even tho you didn't directly get to vote for the funding etc, your result would have been the same even if kerry would have been pres...



EDIT: as a side note the reason you dont get to vote for EVERYONE is because it is much harder for people to be represented by someone elected this way. look at what your senator votes on and how they vote you may be surprised. The guy running for local district up here put his home phone on his fliers telling people to call and ask him his positions on things. i doubt any senator would be willing to do this.

Yes, I think that is his argument too. I think his argument is missing the point. His situation is no more taxation without representation than mine. No one gets to vote for everyone. That is not how our democracy works. We all have to pay for things we disagree with. We all have to pay for things passed by people we did not get to vote for/against. This is true at all levels of government.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mill
Complete and total fvcking bullsh!t. I didn't vote for any of these morons, and I certainly wouldn't have voted for this tax incease. It will be administered by Larry Langford(who created Visionland(my current employer), and allowed it to go bankrupt)) and Sheila Smoot, who freaking out tonight on the news and said people were trying to shoot her. I hope they do shoot her. I thought there was the whole issue of no taxation without representation?

You've GOT to see how gerrymandered the damn districts are to fully understand it. They purposely drew it so certain candidates would always get elected.

Yay, I freaking LOVE it when people I didn't vote for increase my taxes
Topic Summary: This is utter BS. There was no public vote allowed, nor did I vote for these idiots!


Interesting indeed. It is normal for a new Tax to be put up for public ballot vote and not by Commissioners themselves. I would say that you and your fellow residents have a case to take to court.

With no vote, the Commissioners essentially are Kings & Queens and you do not have Taxation with Representation.


They just had a Tax vote here where the Sheriff was looking for a 1 cent additional Tax which would've put the Tax here over 10% to 10.25%. Mind you, the Sheriff has gotten a 9.83% increase in his budget every year including this year from growth alone of new Business and Homes (Millage Tax). This is the 5th fastest growing County in the Nation.

The Tax was defeated. On Monday he immediately fired the lowest paid of his personnel, the 22 School Crossing Guards that their combined salaries was $165,000. Of couse he has 30 Supervisor positions all over $100,000 Salaries and none of them are being cut.

He also immediately cut all public Programs such as the program to keep kids off Drugs known as D.A.R.E., Neighborhood Watch, Elderly Watch etc etc.

Tells you where the priorties of this Country are. :|

 

[tallest1]

Imagine getting a tax increase to fund an unneccessary courthouse and then after its done, being told that it needs a parking garage and then after the garage is built for public use, they raise the rate for parking in the entire downtown area. I hate to say it but local politics ain't always grand

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tallest1
Imagine getting a tax increase to fund an unneccessary courthouse and then after its done, being told that it needs a parking garage and then after the garage is built for public use, they raise the rate for parking in the entire downtown area. I hate to say it but local politics ain't always grand

Oh wow, they did that where I used to live in Gainesville Georgia too. Even local corrupt Politicians work well Nationwide now don't they, isn't Communication Technology wonderful, more efficient to screw us over.

:|

 

[ReiAyanami]

there was a vote in san jose a few years back on a $200 million library improvement measure that got passed easily (i mean seriously who would say no! to improving our libraries). but there are only 1 million ppl in san jose which effectively means each man, woman, and child is shelling out $200 to improve libraries. $200 can buy a lot of books, and to put it in perspective a family of 4 would be effectively paying $800/household

but hey i've heard dumber, the news mentioned some place (some city in canada?) that is still paying off its debts from the olympic in the 1970's. and our phone bills still tax us for the Spanish-American War (although SBC pockets it)