YAWT: Yet another geek workout thread

[Alphathree33]

Okay, so about four months ago, I got interested in working out because I was a scrawny pathetic geek .

I started with stupid stuff, like a dumbbell in my room.

Eventually I discovered the gym. Then I discovered proper form. Then I discovered higher weight, fewer reps, concentrated exercising, letting muscles rest, etc. etc. etc.

Then I discovered NUTRITION. I discovered protein, carbs, calories, water, and all of those fun things. I modified my diet so that I eat smaller, healthier, high protein meals more often.

Then I discovered Whey protein isolate, HUGE weight gainer, and Creatine (which I've stopped because I don't want to die, but that's another story.)

Basically, I feel that I have now developed some *VERY GOOD* habits over the course of four months of learning and experimenting. (Although I haven't noticed anything other than small results, I've only recently started on a truly good diet.)

MY QUESTION IS: Can anyone see anything that I could modify to make this better?

FYI: I weigh 140 pounds and I have zero fat, currently.

EVERY DAY MEALS:
Morning: 3 scoops weight gainer in milk (1200 calories, 60 grams protein, ~120 grams carbs)
Snacks all day: Peanuts, raisin bran, beef jerky, carrots...
Decent lunch
Workout at 4:30 followed by 1 scoop Whey protein isolate (300 cal, 45 g protein)
Decent dinner

WORKOUTS:
Monday - Friday: Different muscle group each day: back, shoulders, arms, chest, legs
Saturday - Sunday: Abs or resting

Comments?

 

[RagingBITCH]

Technically you can't have zero fat Why are you taking weight gainer? Unless you're just massively trying to bulk up, you have no real reason to take that. Just go straight whey protein or something with some eggs or oatmeal in the morning. And taking Creatine means you'll die? Where did you learn that pile of bullsh!t from?

I'm a fan of the MaxOT training from ast-ss.com although I've gotten away from that the past few months. I used to follow their workouts and supplement regiments but it got a lil expensive for my wallet.

 

[Gurck]

What's wrong with creatine?

I'd keep a closer count on your calories, you should probably be eating 3k+ per day but it's not unusual for you high-metabolism toothpick bastards to require 4 or more to gain weight

 

[Alphathree33]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Technically you can't have zero fat Why are you taking weight gainer? Unless you're just massively trying to bulk up, you have no real reason to take that. Just go straight whey protein or something with some eggs or oatmeal in the morning. And taking Creatine means you'll die? Where did you learn that pile of bullsh!t from?

I'm a fan of the MaxOT training from ast-ss.com although I've gotten away from that the past few months. I used to follow their workouts and supplement regiments but it got a lil expensive for my wallet.

Well, I couldn't have LESS fat than I have right now, how about that?

I'm taking weight gainer because it has protein and lots of calories, and you need 3000+ extra calories for each pound of muscle you want to put on. I won't get fat, trust me, my metabolism runs faster than Osama when he sees a B-2 Spirit. If that energy goes anywhere, it will be for building muscles. (And even if I did put on some fat, I wouldn't care)

As for the Creatine, I was just kidding. But it does have some risks associated with it, and it is untested in general. I'm just as interested in being healthy as I am in being big.

 

[screw3d]

Creatine has been tested for over a very long period of time and nothing harmful was found about it.. I'd say go for it.

 

[TheBDB]

You seem to be doing some good things, but I would expect significant change after 4 months. The last time I started working out I saw progress starting in the 3rd week. Maybe you will see more now that you have a complete diet/exercise plan.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Technically you can't have zero fat Why are you taking weight gainer? Unless you're just massively trying to bulk up, you have no real reason to take that. Just go straight whey protein or something with some eggs or oatmeal in the morning. And taking Creatine means you'll die? Where did you learn that pile of bullsh!t from?

I'm a fan of the MaxOT training from ast-ss.com although I've gotten away from that the past few months. I used to follow their workouts and supplement regiments but it got a lil expensive for my wallet.

Well, I couldn't have LESS fat than I have right now, how about that?

I'm taking weight gainer because it has protein and lots of calories, and you need 3000+ extra calories for each pound of muscle you want to put on. I won't get fat, trust me, my metabolism runs faster than Osama when he sees a B-2 Spirit. If that energy goes anywhere, it will be for building muscles. (And even if I did put on some fat, I wouldn't care)

As for the Creatine, I was just kidding. But it does have some risks associated with it, and it is untested in general. I'm just as interested in being healthy as I am in being big.

It's not hard intaking 3000+ calories on a regular basis with regular food. I'm Asian and if you know what an Asian diet consists of, you'd know it normally has less calories than "normal" food (if that makes sense) You could always instead of snacking through the day, make 2 smaller meals inbetween breakfast-lunch and lunch-dinner - that's what I do.

 

[StageLeft]

and Creatine (which I've stopped because I don't want to die, but that's another story.)

Creatine has been shown consistently to be safe, in study after study. For all intents and purposes it has no risks associated with it and it has been _very_ well tested. I abhor anything that I feel may give me gains now at risk of paying for it later in life, and creatine remains the only supplement (beyond whey, obviously, and multi vits)), that I consume.

Anyway, I'd say your biggest fault there is probably the snacks. Beef jerky, for instance, is just a huge dollup of sodium. Generally non-flesh sources of protein are pretty low in quality. For instance peanuts are ok, but not as good as something from an animal.

The weight gainer is ok if you're scrawny as sh*t, but 1200 calories in that amount is, in great part, going to go in to fat. If possible you should have half of it in the morning and then half of it later as one of your snacks.

Also be sure to have some protein last thing before bed. I don't know when your dinner is, but you want to have a good stock of protein in you as you sleep.

As mentioned, Max-OT is a good place to start for weights, if you want to learn more about the lifting part of it. Your approach overall is a lot better than some of the newbs I see on bodybuilding.com (like one guy who wanted to lose fat chose the "atkins approach", which for him was one meal a day of a big rack of ribs).

 

[Alphathree33]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: Alphathree33

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Technically you can't have zero fat Why are you taking weight gainer? Unless you're just massively trying to bulk up, you have no real reason to take that. Just go straight whey protein or something with some eggs or oatmeal in the morning. And taking Creatine means you'll die? Where did you learn that pile of bullsh!t from?

I'm a fan of the MaxOT training from ast-ss.com although I've gotten away from that the past few months. I used to follow their workouts and supplement regiments but it got a lil expensive for my wallet.

Well, I couldn't have LESS fat than I have right now, how about that?

I'm taking weight gainer because it has protein and lots of calories, and you need 3000+ extra calories for each pound of muscle you want to put on. I won't get fat, trust me, my metabolism runs faster than Osama when he sees a B-2 Spirit. If that energy goes anywhere, it will be for building muscles. (And even if I did put on some fat, I wouldn't care)

As for the Creatine, I was just kidding. But it does have some risks associated with it, and it is untested in general. I'm just as interested in being healthy as I am in being big.

It's not hard intaking 3000+ calories on a regular basis with regular food. I'm Asian and if you know what an Asian diet consists of, you'd know it normally has less calories than "normal" food (if that makes sense) You could always instead of snacking through the day, make 2 smaller meals inbetween breakfast-lunch and lunch-dinner - that's what I do.

I *DO* snack throughout the day IN ADDITION to the weight gain. You have no idea how much my metabolism can take, but it's a damn tank! I could consume a horse and not gain any weight.

As for Creatine... I am trying it... I'm just a bit weary. Only had two scoops so far, so I don't think I'll die yet.

As for not seeing results yet, there are two reasons:

1. I've only VERY recently (past week) started on this 'good' diet. I wasn't doing anything right up until recently when it started to come together.

2. My muscles are firmer and denser now... I had 'negative' muscle. I had to sort of... fill in the empty space... before I noticed any outward gains. Does that make any sense?

My arms dont LOOK much bigger right now, but before you could squeeze them and get a good idea what my bone feels like. Now you can squeeze them and they feel firm. That's progress, it's just not visible.

 

[cchen]

Originally posted by: Alphathree33
Okay, so about four months ago, I got interested in working out because I was a scrawny pathetic geek .

I started with stupid stuff, like a dumbbell in my room.

Eventually I discovered the gym. Then I discovered proper form. Then I discovered higher weight, fewer reps, concentrated exercising, letting muscles rest, etc. etc. etc.

Then I discovered NUTRITION. I discovered protein, carbs, calories, water, and all of those fun things. I modified my diet so that I eat smaller, healthier, high protein meals more often.

Then I discovered Whey protein isolate, HUGE weight gainer, and Creatine (which I've stopped because I don't want to die, but that's another story.)

Basically, I feel that I have now developed some *VERY GOOD* habits over the course of four months of learning and experimenting. (Although I haven't noticed anything other than small results, I've only recently started on a truly good diet.)

MY QUESTION IS: Can anyone see anything that I could modify to make this better?

FYI: I weigh 140 pounds and I have zero fat, currently.

EVERY DAY MEALS:
Morning: 3 scoops weight gainer in milk (1200 calories, 60 grams protein, ~120 grams carbs)
Snacks all day: Peanuts, raisin bran, beef jerky, carrots...
Decent lunch
Workout at 4:30 followed by 1 scoop Whey protein isolate (300 cal, 45 g protein)
Decent dinner

WORKOUTS:
Monday - Friday: Different muscle group each day: back, shoulders, arms, chest, legs
Saturday - Sunday: Abs or resting

Comments?

your "breakfast" is too much... just use 2 scoops and eat again after 3 hours

 

[Spamela]

you only lack this.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Anyway, I'd say your biggest fault there is probably the snacks. Beef jerky, for instance, is just a huge dollup of sodium. Generally non-flesh sources of protein are pretty low in quality. For instance peanuts are ok, but not as good as something from an animal.

I'm not sure what the problem with beef jerky is, I always thought it was a good source of protein. It says so on the bag! I don't eat jerky every day, but once and awhile I will eat it for one of my six meals, along with a peanut butter sandwich or something. Isn't sodium only really a problem if one has high blood pressure already?

Oh and my feeling about creatine is that it isn't for beginners, which I am. I may consider taking it when I hit some sort of plateau, but I see no reason right now.

 

[thegimp03]

Look on www.bodybuilding.com...they have pretty extensive forums about diets, weightlifting, etc...and those guys could probably answer any questions you may have.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Anyway, I'd say your biggest fault there is probably the snacks. Beef jerky, for instance, is just a huge dollup of sodium. Generally non-flesh sources of protein are pretty low in quality. For instance peanuts are ok, but not as good as something from an animal.

I'm not sure what the problem with beef jerky is, I always thought it was a good source of protein. It says so on the bag! I don't eat jerky every day, but once and awhile I will eat it for one of my six meals, along with a peanut butter sandwich or something. Isn't sodium only really a problem if one has high blood pressure already?

Oh and my feeling about creatine is that it isn't for beginners, which I am. I may consider taking it when I hit some sort of plateau, but I see no reason right now.

I agree with the creatine. I think it's good to tweak with, but not worth doing if you're fairly close to beginning.

Sodium can make you dehydrated, but excess can be bad for you in other areas. I can't really say which, but i am sure you'll find various info on it if you look it up. It's not somethig you want to be taking in shovels.