YAWotMC thread (War on the Middle Class)

[Scotteq]

Got it - The CBO report is bullshit, and I don't actually pay taxes.

 

[lupi]

If the progressives didn't fuck us all to begin with by tying the income tax to all earned wage vice only the monies returned from investment we wouldn't be having these class war problems.

 

[Ldir]

From the very article he posted:

We could go on and on and on with the roster of ways the wealthy have used the government to transfer national wealth to themselves.

Of course the "liberals" answer to this is more government rather than less. /facepalm

Wrong as usual. The answer is fixing government. Take it back from the ultra rich. Stop stealing from the middle class. That is the real wealth transfer in America.

 

[trenchfoot]

And the millions of middle class and poor repubs are just fine with it all, and want more of the same, apparently.

"You can have all my money, jus' don't mess with my guns, keep them frick'in aliens out'a my back yard, death to all moozlems and-and-and....God Bless Uh-merrkuh!"

 

[blackangst1]

As usual a Craig234 post brings out all the bleating right wing sheep.

17 replies so far and the best you guys can come up with is "bad guboment" and "them liberuls"

The sad part is you guys are on the same "butt sore" end of the argument as the so called liberals you blame for everything, but either you haven't woke up and realized it yet or you just like taking it in the ass.

And as usual asshat lefties like you have no answers except "tax the rich".

WTF is the plan after taxation? Spend on what exactly? How in the fuck will taking another 5, 10, 20, or even 40% of the wealthiest 1% make it easier for those in the lower, middle, and upper middle class to afford college, housing, and health care? Can you explain how taxing the wealthiest of Americans will bring down the cost of the three fasting rising costs in America, and the biggest reasons for banruptcies?

The thing nitwits like you fail to understand is wealth is not static. Fortunes are made and lost everyday. Bill Gates having $55 billion is not preventing in any way Joe Schmoe from having his share too. And sure as fuck if the government takes 50% of that via taxes Joe Schmoe isnt going to be any better off, unless of course the government gives him some of it via redistribution. All you idiots on the left keep saying is concentrated wealth is bad for society, when in fact, taking that wealth from its owners wont do shit for anyone...except the government. Dependency on government is a bad bad thing.

 

[ElFenix]

Wrong as usual. The answer is fixing government. Take it back from the ultra rich. Stop stealing from the middle class. That is the real wealth transfer in America.

social security is a wealth transfer mechanism from the less wealthy to the more wealthy :hmm: :sneaky:

 

[BoberFett]

Wrong as usual. The answer is fixing government. Take it back from the ultra rich. Stop stealing from the middle class. That is the real wealth transfer in America.

As long as government has the power to further enrich the wealthy, you will not fix it.

 

[JD50]

Wrong as usual. The answer is fixing government. Take it back from the ultra rich. Stop stealing from the middle class. That is the real wealth transfer in America.

So which middle class Democrat/Republican did you vote for?

 

[JD50]

And the millions of middle class and poor repubs are just fine with it all, and want more of the same, apparently.

"You can have all my money, jus' don't mess with my guns, keep them frick'in aliens out'a my back yard, death to all moozlems and-and-and....God Bless Uh-merrkuh!"

I thought liberals are supposed to be on the side of the poor and uneducated? It's strange because all they ever do is mock them.

 

[Fern]

The most important issue our society faces is the war on the middle class, IMO.

This article is pretty clear and strong in laying out the issue.

It’s Official: Rich Declare War on the Middle Class
by Robert Freeman

For the past thirty years the rich have been waging war on the middle class. It’s been astonishingly effective, partly because it has been undeclared. But even that pretense is now being abandoned. The President’s National Deficit Commission has effectively declared that the rich will now go after what is left of working and middle class wealth and will take whatever steps are necessary to seize it. If allowed to succeed, their plan will reduce Americans to a state of serfdom.

Ronald Reagan began the war on the middle class with his “supply-side” economics. Its very purpose, according to David Stockman, Reagan’s Budget Director, was to transfer wealth and income upwards. It cut the marginal tax rate on the highest income earners from 75% to 35%

1. How does reducing taxes on the richest take money away from the middle and lower classes?

Isn't this really a fight between the rich and the fed government over the rich peoples' own money? Are the pro-big government people trying to mis-characterize the fight so that we middle class types will join the government side? I.e., mis-characterizing it as 'us vs them' instead stating it as 'the fed gov versus them'.

2. How does increasing taxes on the richest translate into higher wages for the middle and lower classes?

3. The point of this article, and the craig234's post concerns the middle class. I understand wealth redistribution. I can see how wealth redistribution directly benefits the lower class and poor (food stamps, unemployment, medicaid etc), but please remind me of some wealth redistribution that has flowed directly into the middle classes' bank accounts. If I can't be shown my direct benefits from this 'game' I don't see why I should care about it since I ain't playing in it.

Seems to me the only people without a clear stake in all of this IS the middle class.

Fern

 

[xj0hnx]

Wrong as usual. The answer is fixing government. Take it back from the ultra rich. Stop stealing from the middle class. That is the real wealth transfer in America.

"Fixing government"? Fixing what? Their out of control spending? Blackangst1 is exactly correct, none of your class warfare eat the rich BS is going to do anything to address the real problems, only serve as a band aid to the poor and middle class so that the politicians can pat themselves on the back for kicking the can down the road for later.

 

[theeedude]

My prediction is the full deficit commission is not going to approve the chairmen's report.

 

[Generator]

I don't think it was a war on the middle class. A war implies motive, willfully go about something with some intelligence. No this was all pure fucking greed that may eventually become this conscience war.

I don't think people understand how susceptible Americans are to greed. If you paid attention to the various recessions and busts from walstreet these past decades. There is one common element in absurd, delirious greed.

Whatever the motive, I will agree the rich are now working on a similar game plan and are LOOTING THE FUCK out of the government RIGHT NOW! At some point during this last decade the rich honed in on socialist enterprise like Toyota and Chinese SoE's. Now the rich have embraced welfare in ways that would make Ronald Reagans loony ass blush. Everything a private business does now they have their hands held out looking for subsidies. The only dumb fucks who have figured it out yet are Intel who throw tantrums asking for cash to build some facility. Just bribe someone already, they all are on the take.

It curious though how far the rich will go on looting. At some point all that cash they stole will become useless if the country becomes a dead host. The only thing that will stop this greed is the rich getting they're fill of this country's wealth. Politicians? Shit...

Barack Obama is Goldman Sachs Walstreet Waterboy. If they have the President on the take, who is going to stop this? Rand Paul?! HAHAHAHA. What a clown...as he drones on about "We will take our country back" and his serfs lap it up. Fuck it! Get yours while you can. You people aren't worth shit anyway.

 

[Paratus]

And as usual asshat lefties like you have no answers except "tax the rich".

WTF is the plan after taxation? Spend on what exactly? How in the fuck will taking another 5, 10, 20, or even 40% of the wealthiest 1% make it easier for those in the lower, middle, and upper middle class to afford college, housing, and health care? Can you explain how taxing the wealthiest of Americans will bring down the cost of the three fasting rising costs in America, and the biggest reasons for banruptcies?

The thing nitwits like you fail to understand is wealth is not static. Fortunes are made and lost everyday. Bill Gates having $55 billion is not preventing in any way Joe Schmoe from having his share too. And sure as fuck if the government takes 50% of that via taxes Joe Schmoe isnt going to be any better off, unless of course the government gives him some of it via redistribution. All you idiots on the left keep saying is concentrated wealth is bad for society, when in fact, taking that wealth from its owners wont do shit for anyone...except the government. Dependency on government is a bad bad thing.

Here's a radical fraking idea how about we provide the lower 35% with JOBS so they can pay taxes.

The "rich" could use some their windfall profits and wealth transfer from the last 30 years to provide the jobs. Then "rich" wouldn't have to pay so many taxes.

If we want the country to survive then the wealth has to be transfered back down. It can be in the form of job creation which some might call investment, or in the form of govt social services which some might call socialism. Pick one

Or we could head towards serfdom.

The rich have let down their part of the bargain.

 

[blackangst1]

Here's a radical fraking idea how about we provide the lower 35% with JOBS so they can pay taxes.

The "rich" could use some their windfall profits and wealth transfer from the last 30 years to provide the jobs. Then "rich" wouldn't have to pay so many taxes.

If we want the country to survive then the wealth has to be transfered back down. It can be in the form of job creation which some might call investment, or in the form of govt social services which some might call socialism. Pick one

Or we could head towards serfdom.

The rich have let down their part of the bargain.

What youre describing is trickle down economics, to an extent. And we all know that doesnt work. Right?

Since when do the wealthy have an obligation to provide jobs to anyone? Many of the wealthy already do! But an obligation? Come on.

Also. Lets say the wealtrhy create all these jobs you speak of. Will the top 3 fastest rising costs somehow get lowered? Will it then all of a sudden only cost $60k to educate a doctor instead of $120k+? Will housing prices suddenly fall? Will health care and medicine cost suddenly drop?

I didnt think so.

Yours is just another attempt to blast the wealthy for...well...being wealthy. I asked my grandfather 25 years ago what he thought was the biggest difference between the left and the right was. He said both sides think everyone should have the right and opportunity to earn $1 million. But the left thinks they know how to spend it better than they do. Your post is evident of that.

Instead of fostering a mindset to do as our forefathers did...work hard and if youre good and a little lucky you'll achieve success, mindsets like yours encourage Robin Hood mentality. Take from those who have, and gie it those who dont. Or, specifically in your case, TELL those who have what they should do with it. As I mentioned earlier, it fosters a dependence on everyone but themselves.

 

[xj0hnx]

Here's a radical fraking idea how about we provide the lower 35% with JOBS so they can pay taxes.

The "rich" could use some their windfall profits and wealth transfer from the last 30 years to provide the jobs. Then "rich" wouldn't have to pay so many taxes.

If we want the country to survive then the wealth has to be transfered back down. It can be in the form of job creation which some might call investment, or in the form of govt social services which some might call socialism. Pick one

Or we could head towards serfdom.

The rich have let down their part of the bargain.

Because the poor and middle class are providing all the jobs now right?

 

[crownjules]

Because the poor and middle class are providing all the jobs now right?

How can they when they haven't got any savings left to try and start a business? Where did all that money go...

 

[xj0hnx]

How can they when they haven't got any savings left to try and start a business? Where did all that money go...

Ahh, so they had the money and were getting around to it, but the evil rich people stole their savings before they could start their businesses, got it.

 

[Paratus]

What youre describing is trickle down economics, to an extent. And we all know that doesnt work. Right?

Since when do the wealthy have an obligation to provide jobs to anyone? Many of the wealthy already do! But an obligation? Come on.

Also. Lets say the wealtrhy create all these jobs you speak of. Will the top 3 fastest rising costs somehow get lowered? Will it then all of a sudden only cost $60k to educate a doctor instead of $120k+? Will housing prices suddenly fall? Will health care and medicine cost suddenly drop?

I didnt think so.

Yours is just another attempt to blast the wealthy for...well...being wealthy. I asked my grandfather 25 years ago what he thought was the biggest difference between the left and the right was. He said both sides think everyone should have the right and opportunity to earn $1 million. But the left thinks they know how to spend it better than they do. Your post is evident of that.

Instead of fostering a mindset to do as our forefathers did...work hard and if youre good and a little lucky you'll achieve success, mindsets like yours encourage Robin Hood mentality. Take from those who have, and gie it those who dont. Or, specifically in your case, TELL those who have what they should do with it. As I mentioned earlier, it fosters a dependence on everyone but themselves.

You've basically said the rich have no requirements to create jobs, though they have the means to.

I betting you don't think the government should be paying people who aren't working, nor shoould they be providing "make work".

So where in your ramblings about picking oneself up and getting a job do you expect that person to get a job?


@ xjh0nx

No shit sherlock, no one is providing jobs

 

[xj0hnx]

You've basically said the rich have no requirements to create jobs, though they have the means to.

I betting you don't think the government should be paying people who aren't working, nor shoould they be providing "make work".

So where in your ramblings about picking oneself up and getting a job do you expect that person to get a job?

@ xjh0nx

No shit sherlock, no one is providing jobs

:hmm: Sure they are, but it isn't the poor and middle class. I know that the rich holding on to their wealth instead of creating jobs is a big leftist talking point, too bad it isn't grounded in reality. There is no law that says because someone is rich they have to provide someone else with a job. You don't have to like it, but it's reality.

 

[Craig234]

LOL get rid of slavery... because the slaves are providing so much room & board. It's all just jealousy of the slave owners, who are the ones providing all the room & board.

If you get rid of slavery, all you do is punish the successful people and destroy the economy and make everyone poor, so they can't provide the room and boards for the millions they do now.

 

[crownjules]

Ahh, so they had the money and were getting around to it, but the evil rich people stole their savings before they could start their businesses, got it.

Getting around to it? How many small businesses have had to close their doors because of this recession? Those are all middle class people. But banks and auto industries can get bailouts in their troubled times. Bailouts funded by taxpayer dollars, which the rich have been contributing less and less to since the 80s.

 

[Nebor]

I've seen an every increasing standard of living for even the poor during my lifetime, and a huge increase in the standard of living for the middle class and upper class. I think often times statistics fail to capture that. "Just getting by" in the 1970s was very different from "just getting by" in 2010, which includes cell phones, cable TV and at least one car.

 

[Slew Foot]

You and Craig ARE the sheep. You believe that if we just give government a little more, that then everything will be better. We've been giving the feds more and more and more and more for decades, and things have gotten worse, not better. Do you honestly still believe the problem is that government doesn't have enough power and money?

All we have to do is give the govt a little more money and power and we wont have to have our balls grabbed when we board an airplane.

 

[jackace]

From the very article he posted:



Of course the "liberals" answer to this is more government rather than less. /facepalm

You honestly think that if we had no government involvement the economy would just regulate itself?