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AreaCode707

AreaCode707

Lifer
Sep 21, 2001
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SMOGZINN said:
Do the parents get to chose which children to keep? Who decides this? Do we only take the youngest, that would seem counterproductive they will be the ones we have to support the longest. Maybe we should only take the oldest, but that might set up a revolving door sort of thing where if a parent doesn’t like one they can effectively replace it.

Really, I don’t know what sort of answers we can have. All of it becomes silly really fast. Personally, I think we need to hurry up and invent safe effective mass birth control that people have to opt-out of to have children.
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You have too many kids on the government dime, you have demonstrated yourself to be a parent incapable of modeling a self-sufficient functional adult life, and all your kids will be placed in homes where they can learn that modeling.
 
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Skillet49

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AreaCode707 said:
You have too many kids on the government dime, you have demonstrated yourself to be a parent incapable of modeling a self-sufficient functional adult life, and all your kids will be placed in homes where they can learn that modeling.
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I'm not saying that I am ok with people having more kids and mooching off the government.

But, there are not nearly enough homes for abused/neglected children as is.

Some parents may not care if their children are taken away from them, but I have worked with some parents who lost their parental rights to their children. Some of them were screwed over by the system. Others it was their own fault for not making changes. But I can say that those I worked with were all devastated by the loss of their rights, even when they could admit that it was better for their child to remain in their foster home or soon-to-be adoptive home.

Yes, there are people that just mooch off the government, but the system is not exactly designed well to prevent this. For example, imagine you are a single parent with only a high school diploma. The only job you can probably find is a minimum wage job with the take home pay of probably $1200/month (@40 hrs/week) give or take a few hundred. That money wouldn't probably even pay for childcare, not to mention rent, groceries, utilities, diapers (if they are young). Or maybe you live in a rural area with few opportunities for work and you can't afford to move your family or even buy a car.

Of course people should consider their financial situation before deciding to have children, but that doesn't always happen.

I'm just saying that we shouldn't pretend to know how these people feel about their situations unless we have truly known what it is like to be low-income (and I'm not talking about being a broke college student. That's different).

It is just unfortunate that we hear so many stories of people who leech off the government like octomom and not enough stories of people who have used the assistance to put their family in a better position.
 
SMOGZINN

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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Skillet49 said:
I'm not saying that I am ok with people having more kids and mooching off the government.

But, there are not nearly enough homes for abused/neglected children as is.
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Seems pretty obvious to me, if we can use force to take children away from people that can't afford them, we can use that same force to make people that can afford them to take those children!

I'm just saying that we shouldn't pretend to know how these people feel about their situations unless we have truly known what it is like to be low-income (and I'm not talking about being a broke college student. That's different).

It is just unfortunate that we hear so many stories of people who leech off the government like octomom and not enough stories of people who have used the assistance to put their family in a better position.
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I agree with just about everything you said, I've done my share of social work as well. There is a lot of good these programs do, but there is a lot of fraud and waste in these programs. Sometimes I'm abashed by just how arrogant the cheaters are, because they know nothing will happen to them even if they are caught. So, IMHO that is where we really need to start, with severe punishments for people that are defrauding the government.
 
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Lifer
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It's a modern society problem. To many of you idiots put to high of a value on life.
 
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LumbergTech

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there have always been people like this..it isnt a sign of the times...people are ignorant and love to pretend like some new shit is happening when in reality its the same shit thats been playing out since humanity began
 
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Skillet49

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SMOGZINN said:
Seems pretty obvious to me, if we can use force to take children away from people that can't afford them, we can use that same force to make people that can afford them to take those children!



I agree with just about everything you said, I've done my share of social work as well. There is a lot of good these programs do, but there is a lot of fraud and waste in these programs. Sometimes I'm abashed by just how arrogant the cheaters are, because they know nothing will happen to them even if they are caught. So, IMHO that is where we really need to start, with severe punishments for people that are defrauding the government.
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Yes. I completely agree the system needs serious reform. I worked at a grocery store during grad school and it makes no sense that people with food stamps can buy luxury food items like snow king crab legs just because IMO if you have enough money or food stamps to buy that, then you are receiving more than you need. At least people can't buy pet food with food stamps anymore.
 
Lithium381

Lithium381

Lifer
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the worst is the EBT card we have in california.... you cant use it to buy cigs or alcohol, but you can use it at an ATM to withdraw cash.....to buy your cigs and alcohol. there should be a very specific list of things that can be bought on welfare....and while it would cost more up front, put a few people to work verifying some of the information and lifestyles. those people driving 2010 BMWs' with big flat screen tv's probably don't need the assistance, regardless of what their income statements might say. many sell drugs or work under the table jobs to avoid loosing their benefits
 
RocksteadyDotNet

RocksteadyDotNet

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Damn there are some retarded people in this thread.

Taking children away from their parents and giving them to the state is about the worst thing you can do to a child!

You morons dont think about your so called 'solutions'.

You take money away from the mother and the kids starves. Great.
You put the kid in foster care and the kid becomes fucked up. Great.

Why do you think things are the way they are? There is no other way to do it.

Saying things are like this because of the bleeding hearts is just ignorant.
 
Ns1

Ns1

No Lifer
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RocksteadyDotNet said:
Damn there are some retarded people in this thread.

Taking children away from their parents and giving them to the state is about the worst thing you can do to a child!

You morons dont think about your so called 'solutions'.

You take money away from the mother and the kids starves. Great.
You put the kid in foster care and the kid becomes fucked up. Great.

Why do you think things are the way they are? There is no other way to do it.

Saying things are like this because of the bleeding hearts is just ignorant.
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spay/neuter is the only solution
 
RocksteadyDotNet

RocksteadyDotNet

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HamburgerBoy said:
No clue. I thought you were upholding Godwin's Law.
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Nah, I meant it like 'You don't want to be that guy'.

You don't want to be the country that does crazy shit like forced sterilization. You have a bad enough rep already with your insane execution policys.
 
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