YATT: Cash cows keep tax farm thriving

wyvrn

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Cash cows keep tax farm thriving

09:14 AM CDT on Sunday, October 15, 2006


Today's awkward situation: Suppose the rich and the affluent were cows. Suppose the rest of us ran the farm.

Question: Are we treating the herd right?

The answer, according to the most recent IRS statistics, is a resounding yes. We're doing right well by the herd. And they are treating us well in return.

The herd is growing. It is providing a good deal of milk in the form of tax payments. And year after year, the productivity of the herd appears to be growing because it is yielding ever more tax milk.

The most productive cows on the farm are otherwise known as corporate executives. Their special, genetically engineered tax milk comes from stock options, which are generally taxed at ordinary income tax rates when realized. So it's the rich and creamy 35 percent stuff. The more of these cows we have in the herd, the greater the productivity of our tax farm.

Needless to say, this isn't the conventional way of looking at the income tax statistics. Even corporate executives, who get called lots of things, might object to being thought of as cash cows.

The usual view is to bemoan the growth of income at the top. After that, we worry about how it is depriving the rest of us of our ability to pay for cellphone minutes, lattes, lottery tickets and other essentials.

In fact, if "taxes are the price of civilization," most of us are getting our civilization cheap.

DallasNews.com/Extra

Study the IRS data for yourself
Why? Because the rich and affluent ? our cash cows ? are paying most of the bill.

In 1986, according to the Internal Revenue Service, the top 10 percent of all households had incomes of $48,656 or more, collected 35.1 percent of all income and paid 54.7 percent of all income taxes. They paid an average tax rate of 22.6 percent.

By the recently released figures for 2004, the top 10 percent of all households enjoyed adjusted gross incomes of $99,112 or more. They collected 44.3 percent of all income. And they paid 68.2 percent of all taxes at an average rate of 18.6 percent.

Lower tax rates on top-earner income had the beneficial result of reducing the portion of the tax burden the other 90 percent had to pick up.


Minority payers

Viewed from the other end of the pyramid, the bottom 90 percent of all households collected 55.7 percent of all income. But they paid only 31.8 percent of all taxes. Better still, they paid at an average rate of only 6.9 percent.

As a practical matter, you're pretty much excused as a taxpayer if your income is in the bottom 50 percent, about $30,124 or less in 2004, because your average tax rate will be only 2.94 percent.

If human beings didn't adjust their behavior when taxes were changed ? and the idea that they don't is one of the most persistent delusions of politicians ? we could see some very interesting changes in tax policy.


Beasts of tax burden

Suppose, for instance, that the average tax rate on the cash cows in the top 10 percent was increased from 18.6 percent to an average tax rate of 27.3 percent.

The poor cash cows would be trapped into paying enough income tax that the other 90 percent wouldn't have to pay a cent.

Daring journalist that I am, I'd bet heavy money that more than 51 percent of all voters would be in favor of such a plan. Indeed, I can imagine the positive vote going to nearly 90 percent.

Then again, if you yanked an additional 8.7 percent from those fabulously well-off households who earn $99,112 or more, there's a good chance that much of the income being taxed would disappear.

So the bottom 90 percent would still have some income taxes to pay.


A starting point

Needless to say, this is not the end-all tax discussion. Much could be said about the regressive impact of the employment tax. We could also worry about the long-term impact of the increasing concentration of income among the top earners. Or the difficulty many workers have in increasing their real income.

The one thing we really can't talk about is whether the affluent are paying their fair share. They are.

Thursday: A reader says a flat tax would be "a wolf in sheep's clothing."

Scott Burns' columns appear on Sundays and Thursdays. Readers can send questions to scott@scott burns.com and visit www.scott burns.com. Questions of general interest will be answered in future columns.

E-mail scott@scottburns.com

 

ElFenix

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but rich people use tax loopholes to keep from paying taxes!
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
but rich people use tax loopholes to keep from paying taxes!
That's the crazy thing, even with all the money not paid in taxes, so much is still paid.
 

wyvrn

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
but rich people use tax loopholes to keep from paying taxes!

:D

Despite loopholes, taxes have to come in from somewhere. And the rich always end up paying in the end. The disturbing thing about the article is the difference in percentages from 1986 to 2004, where the rich pay even more overall percent. In an era where people want to roast politicians for allowing any sort of tax break for the rich, we see that the biggest breaks are obviously for the poor and middle class.

 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: ElFenix
but rich people use tax loopholes to keep from paying taxes!

:D

Despite loopholes, taxes have to come in from somewhere. And the rich always end up paying in the end. The disturbing thing about the article is the difference in percentages from 1986 to 2004, where the rich pay even more overall percent. In an era where people want to roast politicians for allowing any sort of tax break for the rich, we see that the biggest breaks are obviously for the poor and middle class.

Yep, for all the complaining about the Bush tax cuts, it took millions of people off the income tax rolls altogether. The bottom 50% of income earners in the nation contribute less than 3% of the total income tax revenues that the gov't collects.

But hey, at least it is good to know that Charles Rangel has promised across the board tax increases should teh Dems get control of Congress.
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: ElFenix
but rich people use tax loopholes to keep from paying taxes!

:D

Despite loopholes, taxes have to come in from somewhere. And the rich always end up paying in the end. The disturbing thing about the article is the difference in percentages from 1986 to 2004, where the rich pay even more overall percent. In an era where people want to roast politicians for allowing any sort of tax break for the rich, we see that the biggest breaks are obviously for the poor and middle class.

Yep, for all the complaining about the Bush tax cuts, it took millions of people off the income tax rolls altogether. The bottom 50% of income earners in the nation contribute less than 3% of the total income tax revenues that the gov't collects.

But hey, at least it is good to know that Charles Rangel has promised across the board tax increases should teh Dems get control of Congress.

That is because the bottom has no wealth. You can't get blood from a stone.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: ElFenix
but rich people use tax loopholes to keep from paying taxes!

:D

Despite loopholes, taxes have to come in from somewhere. And the rich always end up paying in the end. The disturbing thing about the article is the difference in percentages from 1986 to 2004, where the rich pay even more overall percent. In an era where people want to roast politicians for allowing any sort of tax break for the rich, we see that the biggest breaks are obviously for the poor and middle class.

They also account for a higher percentage of the total income in this country. Proportionally, nothing has changed.
 

imported_Baloo

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Figures never lie, but liars know how to figure. Consider the source, oh, hey, he does not cite the source, I guess he just made up those statistics.
 

wyvrn

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: ElFenix
but rich people use tax loopholes to keep from paying taxes!

:D

Despite loopholes, taxes have to come in from somewhere. And the rich always end up paying in the end. The disturbing thing about the article is the difference in percentages from 1986 to 2004, where the rich pay even more overall percent. In an era where people want to roast politicians for allowing any sort of tax break for the rich, we see that the biggest breaks are obviously for the poor and middle class.

They also account for a higher percentage of the total income in this country. Proportionally, nothing has changed.


True, but you wouldn't know that by politics. According to some, the administration's tax cuts have given the wealthy an unfair advantage! When the truth is, the wealthy still pay more taxes and the tax cuts were very even. Howerver one interesting note is that a higher percentage of poor/middle class are liable for NO taxes than before. Thanks for helping me clear that up :)
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: Baloo
Figures never lie, but liars know how to figure. Consider the source, oh, hey, he does not cite the source, I guess he just made up those statistics.

"according to the Internal Revenue Service"
 

wyvrn

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Originally posted by: Baloo
Figures never lie, but liars know how to figure. Consider the source, oh, hey, he does not cite the source, I guess he just made up those statistics.

If you are talking about the author, Scott Burns, he is one of the most respected writers in Dallas, and is employed by the Dallas Morning News. His columns appear in national media outlets. He has been writing for decades. He has an economics degree from MIT. Somehow I think he is credible.
 

spidey07

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Yes, yes...it's a well known fact that rich people pay a much higer percentage of their income in taxes. If anything rich need more tax cuts, particularily around capital gains.
 

acemcmac

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Originally posted by: Hugenstein
Yes and as we all know, income taxes are the only tax we all pay.

I think this article is talkign about total tax burden.

The reason taxes have to go up has nothing to do with equality and everything to do with out of control defecit spending.
 

wyvrn

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Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: ElFenix
but rich people use tax loopholes to keep from paying taxes!

:D

Despite loopholes, taxes have to come in from somewhere. And the rich always end up paying in the end. The disturbing thing about the article is the difference in percentages from 1986 to 2004, where the rich pay even more overall percent. In an era where people want to roast politicians for allowing any sort of tax break for the rich, we see that the biggest breaks are obviously for the poor and middle class.

Yep, for all the complaining about the Bush tax cuts, it took millions of people off the income tax rolls altogether. The bottom 50% of income earners in the nation contribute less than 3% of the total income tax revenues that the gov't collects.

But hey, at least it is good to know that Charles Rangel has promised across the board tax increases should teh Dems get control of Congress.

That is because the bottom has no wealth. You can't get blood from a stone.


They have wealth, but they are exempted from paying. I am not saying they have great wealth, but they do have some and they don't pay a proportionate share of it. In almost half the cases, they pay nothing.

I am not picking on the poor though since I was once there and did that. The bigger dilemma for me is how to get poor people to spend more wisely, as this article points out. If the poor were better financially educated, they would have more disposable income to invest and also pay taxes. So they are not exempt from consideration.
 

wyvrn

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Yes, yes...it's a well known fact that rich people pay a much higer percentage of their income in taxes. If anything rich need more tax cuts, particularily around capital gains.

Roughly 50% of the people disagree though, and that is why posting articles like this one is important. Education is paramount to making sound laws.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: acemcmac
Originally posted by: Hugenstein
Yes and as we all know, income taxes are the only tax we all pay.

I think this article is talkign about total tax burden.

The reason taxes have to go up has nothing to do with equality and everything to do with out of control defecit spending.

Taxes have to go up because of out of control deficeit spending? How about bringing the spending back under control first before you ask me to pay more?

Anyways, the Bush tax cuts are bringing in enough revenue that they've already cut the deficit in half years before they originally projected it. You increase tax revenues by growing the economy and you can't grow the economy by choking it with tax increases and other regulations.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: wyvrn
Originally posted by: spidey07
Yes, yes...it's a well known fact that rich people pay a much higer percentage of their income in taxes. If anything rich need more tax cuts, particularily around capital gains.

Roughly 50% of the people disagree though, and that is why posting articles like this one is important. Education is paramount to making sound laws.

I agree. It's sickening when somebody screams "The rich don't pay taxes!" or "The middle man is getting screwed".

They are so severely misinformed it's downright scary that they are allowed to vote. The reality is anybody considered rich is paying the lions share of all taxes.

This always opens peoples eyes: 2006 tax rates:
$0 $7,550 10% of the amount over $0
$7,550 $30,650 $755 plus 15% of the amount over 7,550
$30,650 $74,200 $4,220.00 plus 25% of the amount over 30,650
$74,200 $154,800 $15,107.50 plus 28% of the amount over 74,200
$154,800 $336,550 $37,675.50 plus [/b]33% of the amount over 154,800
$336,550 no limit $97,653.00 plus 35% of the amount over 336,550

That's the juicy 35% rate they're talking about. And that is just federal.