YASWT: Balance to the Force....

[jmolayal]

So I'm watching Episode 3 this morning and thinking about the Star Wars Story.. Anakin/Darth Vader was the "chosen one" and supposed to bring balance to the force right? In the end, did he do it? I think yes, but not for the conventional reason. I think he brought balance by eliminating both the Sith AND the Jedi.. Think about it.. He basically kills Obi-Wan (yes I know he is now more powerful tahn we can possibly imagine blah blah blah), outlives Yoda, Kills the emperor to Eliminate the Sith and then offs himself. By killing himself he kills the last of the Sith/Jedi, and since no more exist to battle, he brings Balance to the force...

What do you guys think? Is that how he did it or am I way off bace?

Now I know what one of the arguments will be.. But Luke is a Jedi Knight!?!One!!!
Is he really? He isn't a master so he can't have a padi-wan right? Basically he is just another ATOT Noob who happens to have a lightsaber....

Discuss.

 

[AMDZen]

Yea thats pretty much it.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I think the prophecy was wrong. Luke was the choosen one. He brought balance to the Force. Luke is the good guy that balances out Darth Vader in the end, then when he gets pissed and whoops up on Darth and shows that he can uses the Force out of rage and anger he himself balances the Light and Dark side of the force.????



fake edit: It's a movie.

 

[MrDudeMan]

wow, i never thought of it that way. good point.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I think you should learn to bring Balance to your title.

 

[jmolayal]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
I think you should learn to bring Balance to your title.

Corrected just for you my Prince...

 

[PrinceofWands]

You could say he brought balance by conceiving Luke & Leia (she's important too, read the books). You could say he brought balance by becoming a merger of light and dark, showing you don't have to remain one or the other. I like your idea too however, and had never thought of it that way. Good point.

 

[torpid]

Uh, no. It's not balanced if it is imbalanced towards good. He brought balance by killing off all the jedi except two, which matched the number of sith. Luke returned imbalance to the force by turning his father back towards good, which caused the emperor and vader to bite it, thereby making the number of remaining jedi two, both good, thus imbalanced.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: torpid
Uh, no. It's not balanced if it is imbalanced towards good. He brought balance by killing off all the jedi except two, which matched the number of sith. Luke returned imbalance to the force by turning his father back towards good, which caused the emperor and vader to bite it, thereby making the number of remaining jedi two, both good, thus imbalanced.

but good is supposed to prevail, so now that only good jedi are still alive the force is balanced in a different sense. evil sucks.

 

[glen]

Was this not clear in PM?

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: torpid
Uh, no. It's not balanced if it is imbalanced towards good. He brought balance by killing off all the jedi except two, which matched the number of sith. Luke returned imbalance to the force by turning his father back towards good, which caused the emperor and vader to bite it, thereby making the number of remaining jedi two, both good, thus imbalanced.

but good is supposed to prevail, so now that only good jedi are still alive the force is balanced in a different sense. evil sucks.

That's a real stretch of the word balanced. Maybe you mean peaceful. One cannot, for example, have a balanced skill set if they have only one of several desired skills.

 

[BobDaMenkey]

I do think Ani balanced the force. Because for thousands of years there were hundreds of good jedi and only a very few sith. Ani comes in, goes sith, wipes out tons of good jedi and thusly balances the scales.

Balance has lots of meanings. That's the way I see it.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: torpid
Uh, no. It's not balanced if it is imbalanced towards good. He brought balance by killing off all the jedi except two, which matched the number of sith. Luke returned imbalance to the force by turning his father back towards good, which caused the emperor and vader to bite it, thereby making the number of remaining jedi two, both good, thus imbalanced.

Balance has nothing to do with physical numbers of Jedi and Sith. Balance has to do with the amount of force one side has. The dark side is more powerfull than the light side. A Sith is more powerfull with the force than a Jedi master. This is because Sith tap into areas of the force which are considered unethical. Anikin has the highest concetration of midiclorins (sp) they have ever seen, which in turn (if he stayed on the light side) would make the light side evenly matched to the dark side. IMO

 

[Siddhartha]

I read that Lucas said Vader was the chosen one and he brought balance by taking out the Emperor.

I have not tried to rationalize this because Stars Wars is fiction made up by Lucas.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: BobDaMenkey
I do think Ani balanced the force. Because for thousands of years there were hundreds of good jedi and only a very few sith. Ani comes in, goes sith, wipes out tons of good jedi and thusly balances the scales.

Balance has lots of meanings. That's the way I see it.

Why would the Jedi train Aniken to be a Jedi if the only way he could balance the force is by being a Sith?

 

[musicman87]

What happens if the force is lopsided? Does it fall off and go away? Will Lucas quit making crappy prequels if that happens?

If so: Long live the empire!!!!

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: torpid
Uh, no. It's not balanced if it is imbalanced towards good. He brought balance by killing off all the jedi except two, which matched the number of sith. Luke returned imbalance to the force by turning his father back towards good, which caused the emperor and vader to bite it, thereby making the number of remaining jedi two, both good, thus imbalanced.

Balance has nothing to do with physical numbers of Jedi and Sith. Balance has to do with the amount of force one side has. The dark side is more powerfull than the light side. A Sith is more powerfull with the force than a Jedi master. This is because Sith tap into areas of the force which are considered unethical. Anikin has the highest concetration of midiclorins (sp) they have ever seen, which in turn (if he stayed on the light side) would make the light side evenly matched to the dark side. IMO

I thought a true master of hte light sight was significantly more powerful than the dark side. The dark side was just a short track method to get powerful but you hit a peak

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
I think the prophecy was wrong. Luke was the choosen one. He brought balance to the Force. Luke is the good guy that balances out Darth Vader in the end, then when he gets pissed and whoops up on Darth and shows that he can uses the Force out of rage and anger he himself balances the Light and Dark side of the force.????



fake edit: It's a movie.

I don't think the prophecy itself was wrong. Didn't it just say there will be a chosen one that will bring balance to the force? The jedi's were wrong and thought Anakin was the chosen one when it was really Luke.

/me puts his wizard hat back on

EDIT: Or was it my wizard robe?

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: torpid
Uh, no. It's not balanced if it is imbalanced towards good. He brought balance by killing off all the jedi except two, which matched the number of sith. Luke returned imbalance to the force by turning his father back towards good, which caused the emperor and vader to bite it, thereby making the number of remaining jedi two, both good, thus imbalanced.

Balance has nothing to do with physical numbers of Jedi and Sith. Balance has to do with the amount of force one side has. The dark side is more powerfull than the light side. A Sith is more powerfull with the force than a Jedi master. This is because Sith tap into areas of the force which are considered unethical. Anikin has the highest concetration of midiclorins (sp) they have ever seen, which in turn (if he stayed on the light side) would make the light side evenly matched to the dark side. IMO

We don't know how much the emperor has though. Maybe yoda + obi-wan = emperor + anakin, who knows. What I can say for sure is that zero sith does not equal one jedi knight and one jedi sibling in strength of force. Maybe luke and leia and yoda and obi-wan are equivalent to the emperor and darth vader, but it's certainly logically impossible for luke and leia to be a balanced equation, because all the sith were dead (excluding any nonsense zahn stories).

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: torpid
Uh, no. It's not balanced if it is imbalanced towards good. He brought balance by killing off all the jedi except two, which matched the number of sith. Luke returned imbalance to the force by turning his father back towards good, which caused the emperor and vader to bite it, thereby making the number of remaining jedi two, both good, thus imbalanced.

Balance has nothing to do with physical numbers of Jedi and Sith. Balance has to do with the amount of force one side has. The dark side is more powerfull than the light side. A Sith is more powerfull with the force than a Jedi master. This is because Sith tap into areas of the force which are considered unethical. Anikin has the highest concetration of midiclorins (sp) they have ever seen, which in turn (if he stayed on the light side) would make the light side evenly matched to the dark side. IMO

I thought a true master of hte light sight was significantly more powerful than the dark side. The dark side was just a short track method to get powerful but you hit a peak

You might be right in saying that, but who exactly is a true master of the light side? Yoda is not significatly more powerfull than dooko or sideous, so i would count him out. Windu, maybe. but we will never know since he was cut down by vader.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: jdini76
You might be right in saying that, but who exactly is a true master of the light side? Yoda is not significatly more powerfull than dooko or sideous, so i would count him out. Windu, maybe. but we will never know since he was cut down by vader.

Aha but they explicitly stated that there is a difference between lightsaber skills and pure power of force (or rather, they stated that one master was the most powerful and one was the best saber fighter). I don't know how that relates but there it is...