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polarmystery

polarmystery

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I watched Passion of the Christ over the weekend and I started thinking about time travel. I was wondering a few things.

First, if there is a Jesus and he is the son of God, and we had the technology to create a time machine...would God let us go back in the past and save him from his crucifiction? What would the world be like if he was allowed to live a natural life?

I'm curious. (I'm on the fence about christianity for a frame of reference)
 
Time is strictly linear without ability to go back, as far as the Bible goes. It doesn't speak on time itself, though.

As for stopping the crucifixion, no, the Bible is clear that the will of God centers on the death of Christ as a sacrifice for the sins of those who repent, as a way of redemption.
 
Originally posted by: Crono
Time is strictly linear without ability to go back, as far as the Bible goes. It doesn't speak on time itself, though.
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That was a nice timewarp there Crono! 3 posts!
 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Crono
Time is strictly linear without ability to go back, as far as the Bible goes. It doesn't speak on time itself, though.
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That was a nice timewarp there Crono! 3 posts!
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Would have been cooler if I made it above the OP, but I posted late, lol.
 
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Crono
Time is strictly linear without ability to go back, as far as the Bible goes. It doesn't speak on time itself, though.
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That was a nice timewarp there Crono! 3 posts!
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Would have been cooler if I made it above the OP, but I posted late, lol.
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What would be funny is if I could have timewarped your post. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Crono
Time is strictly linear without ability to go back, as far as the Bible goes. It doesn't speak on time itself, though.
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That was a nice timewarp there Crono! 3 posts!
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Would have been cooler if I made it above the OP, but I posted late, lol.
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What would be funny is if I could have timewarped your post. 🙁
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Good luck.
 
What if we went back in time and smuggled Jesus across the borders and into Europe, and thus saved his life?

Would Christianity exist?

More interestingly a concept, if Christianity never came to be, what would the world look like today? I reckon the U.S.A. might not resemble anything we know, hell Europe would be a different place. As much as I hate religion there is a lot of thank for the mess it creates. Modern day life might have a lot of thank it for. Religion is a necessity to push man forward, which also means lots of people dieing, if not whole civilizations.

The Middle East is going through what Europe went through about 1000 years ago, though the rest of the developed world is definitely interfering. Civilizations correct themselves over time, our ancestry just had an early start compared to other groups.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
What if we went back in time and smuggled Jesus across the borders and into Europe, and thus saved his life?

Would Christianity exist?

More interestingly a concept, if Christianity never came to be, what would the world look like today? I reckon the U.S.A. might not resemble anything we know, hell Europe would be a different place. As much as I hate religion there is a lot of thank for the mess it creates. Modern day life might have a lot of thank it for. Religion is a necessity to push man forward, which also means lots of people dieing, if not whole civilizations.

The Middle East is going through what Europe went through about 1000 years ago, though the rest of the developed world is definitely interfering. Civilizations correct themselves over time, our ancestry just had an early start compared to other groups.
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There's an infinite number of "what if", alternate timelines you could explore mentally.
It will make your head hurt thinking even about a small number, or otherwise you will go insane. I heard that's what happened to Arcadio, and now he thinks there are black holes in his "office" (he's really in a plush mental institution in New York). So sad 🙁
 
If Jesus's crucifiction could be prevented christianity would fall apart. Who worships a guy who led a normal life??
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
What if we went back in time and smuggled Jesus across the borders and into Europe, and thus saved his life?

Would Christianity exist?

More interestingly a concept, if Christianity never came to be, what would the world look like today? I reckon the U.S.A. might not resemble anything we know, hell Europe would be a different place. As much as I hate religion there is a lot of thank for the mess it creates. Modern day life might have a lot of thank it for. Religion is a necessity to push man forward, which also means lots of people dieing, if not whole civilizations.

The Middle East is going through what Europe went through about 1000 years ago, though the rest of the developed world is definitely interfering. Civilizations correct themselves over time, our ancestry just had an early start compared to other groups.
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Ever hear of the Dark Ages? 900 years of Christianity with no forward advancement in culture, technology or understanding of the universe.

I wonder sometimes what the world would look like if Roman had never fell and had flourished to today. We could be colonizing planets and sending people to other solar systems by now.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
What if we went back in time and smuggled Jesus across the borders and into Europe, and thus saved his life?

Would Christianity exist?

More interestingly a concept, if Christianity never came to be, what would the world look like today? I reckon the U.S.A. might not resemble anything we know, hell Europe would be a different place. As much as I hate religion there is a lot of thank for the mess it creates. Modern day life might have a lot of thank it for. Religion is a necessity to push man forward, which also means lots of people dieing, if not whole civilizations.

The Middle East is going through what Europe went through about 1000 years ago, though the rest of the developed world is definitely interfering. Civilizations correct themselves over time, our ancestry just had an early start compared to other groups.
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we would all be muslims. There would not have been the crusades to stop the advancement of Islam when it came to europe - Charlemange would definitely not have had the political pull he had with the people had there not been christianity to back him up.

EDIT: But oh wait : some think that Islam is a spin off of christianity (bring on the flames)
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: destrekor
What if we went back in time and smuggled Jesus across the borders and into Europe, and thus saved his life?

Would Christianity exist?

More interestingly a concept, if Christianity never came to be, what would the world look like today? I reckon the U.S.A. might not resemble anything we know, hell Europe would be a different place. As much as I hate religion there is a lot of thank for the mess it creates. Modern day life might have a lot of thank it for. Religion is a necessity to push man forward, which also means lots of people dieing, if not whole civilizations.

The Middle East is going through what Europe went through about 1000 years ago, though the rest of the developed world is definitely interfering. Civilizations correct themselves over time, our ancestry just had an early start compared to other groups.
Click to expand...

Ever hear of the Dark Ages? 900 years of Christianity with no forward advancement in culture, technology or understanding of the universe.

I wonder sometimes what the world would look like if Rome had never fell and had flourished to today. We could be slaves of Rome colonizing planets and sending people to other solar systems by now, when were not in the Vomitorium or at Cowboys Stadium,er, the Coliseum watching the Gladiators kill one another.
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Fixed for lack of historical knowledge of the Roman Empire.

 
If you went back in time and removed Jesus/Christianity, I doubt things would look much different. The whackjobs would have just found something else to fill the void.
 
Originally posted by: WA261
If you went back in time and removed Jesus/Christianity, I doubt things would look much different. The whackjobs would have just found something else to fill the void.
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Reps for you. Everyone who thinks extremism/radicalism is dependent on specific ideologies or religious beliefs is ignorant. People persecute because of pride, for power, and for pleasure. People will use religion, economics, and politics as tools to achieve their goals, and not because they truly care about ideals and truth. See every single genocidal dictator of the 20th century (and before, but 20th century is convenient because of better historical records) and you will see that their practices are not consistent with the beliefs they espoused. An examination of the most famous dictator of the past 100 years - Adolf Hitler - will tell you that no one has any idea what that *)$!er really believed, he alternated between so much crap and propaganda.

Most of you putting down Christianity don't know what you are talking about, and don't know what Christ taught or what the Bible as a whole, taken in context, says. Nearly all the leaders and organizations that have claimed to Christian, especially during times and places where Christianity was tolerated and not persecuted against, were not. Christ is the standard when it comes to being a Christian, not the Pope, not your neighbor, not I.
 
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