YART : Roommate meddling in the middle of a business deal

brandonb

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A few months ago a family member decided to give/sell me their house and I'm in attempts to remodel it. I'm not at the stage where I am rebuilding, but demolishing the place. In the process I decided to live with an old friend of mine from high school that I've known for 16+ years.

He knew of a plumber that could rebuild my plumbing in the house, so he referred us to each other. However, in the process, I got a quote from the plumber of the cost, which is a decent deal but not a great deal. However, I was not ready for the rebuilding as I was not at the point. I told him I can try to get him to start last Monday but didn't know if it was possible.

Now keep in mind I've only been talking to him for a week at this point. The plumber was unemployed and doing it as a "side job"... So he has no insurance or anything through a company. So my family member told me they would not pull a permit because if anything happened while he was on the job site, they could get sued, and they have basically given up on the house, and the family member didn't feel comfortable doing so... So I had to get the house in my name.

Since the plumber is unemployed, he wants to move to another city mid April, so he told me he had to start right away. I couldn't do that because to change over the house title into my name would take atleast 3 weeks. I told him I'd try to pull strings and make it happen sooner, and I would let him know last Sunday what the outcome was. I called him and let him know it didn't look good as he is moving and it would take too long to get the house in my name, get the permit pulled and for him to get the work done. He told me he could start demolishing the old plumbing since it didn't require a permit.

In a misunderstanding, he hired out another person to jackhammer concrete in the basement to lay down new floor drains, and that they'd be starting this week. The jackhammer guy costs nearly $400... So the plumber paid that out of his pocket (supposedly), and I'm not going through with the deal.

However, my roommate is all pissed at me because they worked out a deal between each other that if my roommate got me to hire him as a plumber on my house, that the plumber would redo my roommates bathroom for free. Since the I backed out of the deal and it cost the plumber $400, the plumber is now refusing to finish the job for my roommate. Now my roommate is pissed...

So what do I do? Pay the plumber the $400 for the misunderstanding, which I don't feel responsible so he can feel better about the thing and hopefully finish my roommates bathroom? (Which he may not do). Or just say to my roommate WTF you got yourself into this, you get yourself out. Possibly lose my friend for 16+ years and have him kick me out which would probably cost me $400+ in the end where I may have to find an apartment. My roommate is aware of this fact, so I think this is why he decided to take advantage of the situation to get his bathroom done for free... Which is a slap in my face, and the reason this is pissing me off.

All in all, we are all pissed at each other...

Cliffs
-Have old house need to repair, but not ready.
-I'm living with roommate temporarly until house is ready.
-Roommate decided to help me out, find a plumber to help.
-Roommate works a side deal with plumber where he gets a free bathroom remodel out of the deal if things work out.
-Things don't really work out due to bad timing.
-Plumber pays $400 for hiring 3rd party even though I didn't tell him to start, and couldn't let him start.
-Roommate is pissed his bathroom is half done and plumber won't finish due to plumber being out $400
-What do I do if anything to resolve the situation? Pay plumber $400, or refuse and get kicked out of roommate's house and move on?
 

apac

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Did your roommate tell you about this "deal" between him and the plumber? If not, it IS a slap in the face, and you should tell your roommate to grow the fvck up.
 

jman19

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If this guy is a real friend he'll understand that you have legitimate reasons for being unable to hire the plummer and that he is SOL.
 

brandonb

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Originally posted by: apac
Did your roommate tell you about this "deal" between him and the plumber? If not, it IS a slap in the face, and you should tell your roommate to grow the fvck up.

No, I didn't know about this side deal between the two until today when my roommate called me up all pissed that the plumber is not going to finish the bathroom due to the falling out between myself and the plumber... Which of course had me ask the question "What did the deal between the plumber and I have to do with your remodeling job?" So he finially confessed that they had this deal together that I was not aware of.
 

dartworth

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If this plumber paid someone $400 to perform a service before it was done, then he is a fool...
 

brandonb

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I'm slowing beginning to think that the roomate is just fabricating the story about the plumber being out $400 so he can guilt me into paying the plumber to just finish his bathroom. Since the deal feel through, I'm guessing that is the deal... Whatever the case is, it sounds like bullshit to me, and it seems like he is trying to railroad me into paying for his bathroom remodel now...

The situation he put himself into without my knowledge.
Atleast thats what logic is telling me...
 

doze

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So let's get something straight, you have no contract and got no work done and a plumber wants $400 from you.

Don't pay anybody anything
 

TheNinja

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So your roommate referred you a "part time" plumber with no insurance. And in return for you paying him to do a job, this "plumber" was going to do some work for your roommate? Sounds like your roommate was trying to get some free work by referring you a crappy plumber. Screw him. You don't owe anybody money and you certainly don't owe your roommate anything.
 

Greenman

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Was any work done on your house by the plumber or someone working for him?

btw, plumbers don't work for free, the cost of your friends bathroom was going on your bill.
 

brandonb

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Originally posted by: Greenman
Was any work done on your house by the plumber or someone working for him?

btw, plumbers don't work for free, the cost of your friends bathroom was going on your bill.

Nope, no work was done. He came over to the house, checked it out, did some measurements, then drew a drawing needed for the permit, but that was it...

When I got home from work my roommate seemed like he was an good mood. He mentioned it would be nice for me to call him and atleast thanked the plumber for coming out that day... I think my roommate might have figured out that his ****** wasn't gonna work on me. I dunno, I'll see tomorrow.
 

Bryophyte

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Originally posted by: Greenman
Was any work done on your house by the plumber or someone working for him?

btw, plumbers don't work for free, the cost of your friends bathroom was going on your bill.

Yep. Your roommate pulled a pretty sh1tty stunt on you. Actually, he'd be more of a landlord, wouldn't he, since he owns the place you're living in? I hope you didn't sign any kind of lease with him because you need to GTFO of there.
 

Greenman

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Originally posted by: brandonb
Originally posted by: Greenman
Was any work done on your house by the plumber or someone working for him?

btw, plumbers don't work for free, the cost of your friends bathroom was going on your bill.

Nope, no work was done. He came over to the house, checked it out, did some measurements, then drew a drawing needed for the permit, but that was it...

When I got home from work my roommate seemed like he was an good mood. He mentioned it would be nice for me to call him and atleast thanked the plumber for coming out that day... I think my roommate might have figured out that his ****** wasn't gonna work on me. I dunno, I'll see tomorrow.
You don't owe anyone a dime. I'll bet dollars to rat terds that the plumber didn't pay anyone a cent, and the whole blowup was caused by your "friend" trying to hose you out of the cost of his bath repairs.
Get a real plumber, have the work done under contract, and find a new friend. The one you have stinks.
 

PetunZ

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If you really are friends, why don't you both compromise?

Both of you pay half, and have him help you out with your remodeling...

Sh!t happens; this is when your true colors really come out. Is $400 worth ending a friendship over? There are a ton of ways you guys can split the costs, split work, and help each other out.