YAPIGTST: more bad news for Sony...christ, it just doesn't end - xbox360 to support 1080p

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Sony Responds

"It's unfortunate that Microsoft's external HD-DVD drive will not enhance the experience at all for the gamer. Sony realizes that to truly take gaming into the next generation requires a larger data format for both games and movies. PS3 uses the Blu-ray format for gaming, giving developers 50 GB of high-definition storage on a single disc, while Microsoft's 9 GB DVD gaming format is an obstacle for storing HD content. Furthermore, Microsoft's announced HD games patch is really just a compatibility feature -- upscaling lower-resolution content does not make it Full HD (1080p), something that PS3 can do out of the box."

FUD

meh yea, one would think the limited video memory of the ps3 would limit the HD experience too

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Queasy
Sony Responds

"It's unfortunate that Microsoft's external HD-DVD drive will not enhance the experience at all for the gamer. Sony realizes that to truly take gaming into the next generation requires a larger data format for both games and movies. PS3 uses the Blu-ray format for gaming, giving developers 50 GB of high-definition storage on a single disc, while Microsoft's 9 GB DVD gaming format is an obstacle for storing HD content. Furthermore, Microsoft's announced HD games patch is really just a compatibility feature -- upscaling lower-resolution content does not make it Full HD (1080p), something that PS3 can do out of the box."

FUD

meh yea, one would think the limited video memory of the ps3 would limit the HD experience too

Yep. What good is a 30GB/50GB/1TB game disc when you can only feed video data through the system 256MB at a time?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Tom
Has Microsoft released this software update already ? Or is this just hype ?

I wouldn't trust MS until it happens. They announced many times before it's release that the original xbox would do progressive scan playback, but dropped it when it actually hit the market.

I didn't have the orignal Xbox, but i think MS is doing very well with the 360. I'm more than happy with the quick updates and all they've done to it since release. So i have no doubt that if they say they're going to release this update, they will.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BDawg

I don't see them as equal. HD-DVD won't be installed on but a fraction of XBOX360s for quite a while.

Probably the fraction that actually need/want it, which is a pretty small fraction considering that most people still don't have an HDTV. You don't need cpacity beyond a DVD-9 disc for a game unless there's a sh*tload of FMV. And in the rare case that you do need it, they can use 2 discs. Not a big deal.

Right now the BluRay drive is not beneficial to the majority of people.

Originally posted by: BDawg
Nobody complained when the PS2 / XBOX came with DVD instead of CD drives. I see this as the same.

Because any TV could take advantage of the benefits of DVD-VIDEO.

And the jump from 700 MB to 5-9 GB was actually useful for games. The jump from 9 GB to 25+ GB really just gives you more room for FMV.

From the Lair interview at IGN:

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/733/733921p1.html

quote:

IGN: Quick Fanboy wars question -- Could Lair be done under its current spec on the Xbox 360? If so, why go with the PlayStation 3 "only" instead of going cross-platform?

Eggebrecht: Lair in its current form couldn't be done on 360. We are using large amounts of Cell's SPUs for all of our geometry, landscape, simulations, animations, even troop AI. When we create a game, we absolutely focus on the platform it is designed around. Would we do one for 360, it would be a different game and a different engine -- most crucially perhaps though: Lair is an entirely different game without the motion control and gesture recognition since it was designed around it.

IGN: What advantage does Blu-ray afford you now? Everyone talks about how great the extra storage space is but are you actually using it for Lair?

Eggebrecht: The single level at TGS alone takes up 4 Gigabytes of data. We are using every ounce of that due to streaming of our textures. Sure you could chop them all down to tiny sizes and we would fit, but then again, it would not be the same game. In addition to all the textures and geometry, we also do have video on the disc, and all of that is in native 1080p resolution. Thanks to Blu-Ray we don't need to worry about that and can still fit the whole game on a single disk.

 

[0roo0roo]

right..4gb per level. is that how big crysis for the pc is going to be?

 

[saahmed]

'p' in 1080p does not stand for parity. It stands for progressive, as in progressive scan.

 

[loup garou]

The straight poop on how 1080p on the 360 will work.
Looks like vga ftw.

 

[Kalmah]

What? So non-HD dvds will be 'stretched' to higher resolutions? Doesn't that in turn make it less detailed?

Take a picture, blow it up... I see pixels!!!

Do I not get something?

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Jack Ryan
Cue the people who spent $2500 on a 720p HDTV to come and argue "1080p aint worth it."

All while I hug my 1080p Sceptre.

I own a 1080p TV, and I'm not sure it was worth it.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Kalmah
What? So non-HD dvds will be 'stretched' to higher resolutions? Doesn't that in turn make it less detailed?

Take a picture, blow it up... I see pixels!!!

Do I not get something?

point of upconverting is that its done during decode which is better than doing it after its been finished and sent to the tv.

 

[BDawg]

More bad news for Sony:

Beyond3D Link

Dude I can vouch for the original posters comments and I have my own pictures to back it up. I don't know what regional manager you talked to but they lied big time. I am a manger that was also at the conference I wish that I had taken more than my 1.3 mega pixel cell phone to take pictures of the proceedings. Anyway to authenticate that there was both a blu-ray presence and that Gears of War was great (but no PS3 game) I came away with a little info that may be useful here.

1) The reason that the PS3 already looks as good if not better than the 360 ((according to Valve(Half-Life 2) and Vivendi(F.E.A.R.))) from the booths was that the Cell processor was orignally going to be a graphics processor as well for the PS3 (yes there were originally going to be two in the system) but the developers at the show stated that once NVIDIA joined the Sony ranks they backed off of that plan and decided to let NVIDIA build the RSX instead. Now this is where the rub is though (form the developer's mouths not mine) although the RSX (PS3 graphics card) and the XENOS (XBOX360 graphics card) are comparable the ability to use the Cell to share the rendering of textures and special effects gives the PS3 a decided advantage and that difference will only grow as time passes.

2) Microsoft did have a respectable presence at the show with HDVD. Peter Moore was there and they sponsored our dinner Friday night where they unveiled both the ZUNE (iPOD killer which will be on sale at Gamestop or EB near you just in time for the holidays) and the XBOX360 HDVD drive (which will retail for 199.99 and comes with a copy of King Kong on HDVD and will launch Nov 14). Sony countered this announcement with one of their own though that as of yet I have not seen leaked anywhere else and that is.......(as announced by the lady at the blu-ray booth during our show)....Talladega Nights on BLU-Ray will be included with every PS3 at launch. Also to note after the Microsoft dinner well all got to go hands on with HDVD, Zune, Gears of War (Mulitplayer), WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2007, Splinter Cell D.A., Lost Planet, and some others that I didn't get to play. They were all good and seemed near final builds.

3) As far as PS3 presence goes Sony had the biggest display with Resistance, NBA 07 ( which later became Resistance after nobody wanted to play NBA), Genji, and Motorstorm. Sega had a booth to note which had Virtua Fighter 5 (in video form only) and more interestingly Sonic playable on both PS3 and XBOX360 side by side. One of the managers asked why the PS3 version looked better as far as lighting and contrast and accused Sega of connecting the 360 version up with composite cables and the PS3 with HDMI to make the difference hit home. At which point the rep showed us all that both units were connected with component cables and running on the same make and model television. The skeptics accused him of lying even after he turned the monitors to reveal both rear connections. He later stated that again the difference was the Cell and not the video card at the time.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BDawg
More bad news for Sony:

How is this bad news? It all sounds good to me.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BDawg
More bad news for Sony:

How is this bad news? It all sounds good to me.

Reference

 

[mrgq912]

The HDCP flag will not be enabled until around 2012. So xbox360 owners really should not worry.

Regarding the HDCP flag issue, you can google the topic yourself and verify my statement.