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[Muse]

Thoughts and prayers...amirite?

You're not wrong. I heard that several times during TV coverage. And the pres threw in a wish for God to bless everybody. Big of him.

 

[Bitek]

Well boys and girls it’s been fun talking about this one but all “good” things must come to an end.

Our next mass shooting comes from Dayton OH where at least 9 are dead.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/us/dayton-ohio-shooting.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

As I said about remembering names of the shorter, it's impossible because the half life of a mass shooting is 24hrs.

There are simply too many to even cover on the news. WTF

 

[Indus]

Sure I do, I hate that things like this happen. I can't imagine how awful it wold be, your loved one goes to the store to grab some odds & ends and ends up being murdered by some coward that can't handle the pressures of life. But the left's ideas on how to stop it are laughable, absolutely laughable. Gun free zones, magazine capacity limits, "assault" weapons bans, suppressor bans, etc. etc. are all feel good do nothing regulations. The only people harmed by such limitations are legal and lawful gun owners.

We could always go full Stalin and send all white nationalists to Siberia!

 

[HomerJS]

This guy kills 20+ people in an open carry Walmart and police take him in without a scratch.

Black man buys an air rifle in an open carry Walmart and police kill him for just carrying it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

 

[Jaskalas]

I'd put him in solitary and throw away the key, that would be worse that being executed, death is the easy way out.
let sit in his cell all by himself, no interaction with others, no reading material, just him and the thoughts in his head.

In choosing between torture or a swift /clean execution, I'd say execute him.

Or does death send the wrong message to the next mass shooter? Not sure how that one plays out.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Also, a reminder. Many times as many innocent victims died from second hand smoke as this tragedy, but you don't care. Your Democrat puppet masters haven't told you to care, so you don't. You don't care about saving lives, you care about limiting guns. If you cared about saving lives I'd see a lot more angst from the liberals here about these bigger killers that have no benefit to society. But you simply don't care about saving lives, you care about harming the 2A because the right is pro-2A. That's really all you care about, not agreeing with the right.

 

[Muse]

This is clearly Walmarts fault. If it weren't for their low prices no one would have been there to shoot.

Plus it was Texas' no tax weekend to help back to schoolers... ergo, the store was crowded. Put some blame on the Texas legislature. Hey, another weekend, another AK47 mass shooting. When will the Senate say we've had enough?

Another reminder: Do not read SlowSpyderTroll's posts.

 

[K1052]

I guess I don't really care if automatic approvals happen in practice, but I'd like some hard date for the government to have to respond by. Given that most of the paperwork system can be (or already is) automated, this should be trivial. I'd also like to see a lower tax stamp price (vs the $200 today). Given the scale or something like this, I would think they could get a mostly automated system down to $50-100 per event.

Yeah there is no reason the process shouldn't be automated. Some requests will generate flags that a human has to review but those should be a small minority. $100 stamp would seem reasonable.

Yeah a year should be a sufficient amount of time, especially because there would probably be a period of time (like a year) where the law was in review/revision before becoming effective.

At a minimum legislation would take several months to pass then not become effective until a set date. Everybody would have plenty of warning.

Sure - I could definitely see the background checks being run every 2-4 years. I envision this as being a separate pathway that one could take as opposed to the option outlined above (standard NFA paperwork). This would be good for people who will be buying multiple items consistently OR simply don't want to wait 45 days+

Agreed. If we are going to issue such a license though I would probably want humans to get eyeballs on these people to add another level of clearance wrt training their mental state.

I just threw this out there as food for though. I own slightly over a dozen guns myself, and about 1/3 of them would fall into this area as "evil assault weapons" and probably 2/3 in total if we include semi auto pistols. Heck my shotgun (I have one) would fall into the definition (potentially) depending on how it was written.

I own upwards of 70 as I heavily collected C&R stuff but also have over a dozen that would fall under this regulation, more if handguns are included. So I also have skin in the game. I'd probably let the government buy most of it off me and register a few items under the new rules. I just can't in good conscience say that high capacity semi-auto weapons should be so freely available without much more oversight. There has already been another major incident in Ohio with what sounds like an AR. I'm ready for this to stop and willing to compromise to make it so. I also don't have any illusions that this will entirely solve the problem since there will still be a lot of firearms out there but it's a start.

Out of curiosity, why did you pick 1945 and 5 round mags? Do you mean detachable mags, or anything with a 5+1 capacity (including blind mags)? Would exclusions be given for airguns and/or rimfires?

There aren't a whole lot of weapons that fit the description pre 45 (admittedly more if handguns are counted) and I wasn't looking to scoop up all the Garands out there which are not at all likely candidates for use in these crimes. I'd probably lean to any semi with more than a five round capacity would be regulated. I don't think airguns would fall under but yes probably rimfire would.

 

[SlowSpyder]

This guy kills 20+ people in an open carry Walmart and police take him in without a scratch.

Black man buys an air rifle in an open carry Walmart and police kill him for just carrying it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

You are so simple minded. Be that victim you want to be.

 

[HomerJS]

Also, a reminder. Many times as many innocent victims died from second hand smoke as this tragedy, but you don't care. Your Democrat puppet masters haven't told you to care, so you don't. You don't care about saving lives, you care about limiting guns. If you cared about saving lives I'd see a lot more angst from the liberals here about these bigger killers that have no benefit to society. But you simply don't care about saving lives, you care about harming the 2A because the right is pro-2A. That's really all you care about, not agreeing with the right.

Many more people die from suicide by gun the homicide because of mentally unstable people owning them.

You don't care about that and it is the highest number.

BTW - other issues I'm sure good minded people care about

heart disease
cancer


Go fuck yourself

 

[HomerJS]

You are so simple minded. Be that victim you want to be.

Unfortunately John Crawford was the victim. Not that you give a shit. He was black.

 

[zinfamous]

This is really sad. If only if it would have been a gun free zone.

if only this country were a right-wing free zone, none of these murders perpetrated by right wing terrorists would happen.

 

[zinfamous]

how about we don't glorify the fuckwit who murdered these people? Mention the names of the murdered, the wounded, the first responders, but as far as that cvntly, racist coward, he deserves no recognition, no fame, just to be remembered as the racist coward who murdered people

agreed, so long as we remember him as the Trumpian MAGA racist coward, just like the rest of them.

 

[Muse]

To bad it wasn't a "gun free zone" Slow enters the thread, reeking of bad karma. In Texas. Well, the Gilroy Garlic Festival one week ago was a gun free zone. Metal detectors used at entrances. But the killer managed to get in by cutting through a cyclone fence. The only way to stop these rampages in today's America is to not let people have these mass killing machines, e.g. AK47, AR15, and their magazines.

Democrats, take back the Senate and get it done!

 

[zinfamous]

With 19 dead in a Texas Wal-mart, it doesn't look like carry helped either.

I'm not surprised to see you defend yet another instance of right wing violence. But unhinged leftists, right?

One Nazi punched in the face for being a Nazi = national tragedy for unhinged Nazis like snow.

19 murdered by a coward MAGA bitch in gun-proud Texas = sorta sad, but really Freedom!

 

[umbrella39]

Guys seriously don't take the troll bait... Same shit, different day. Rinse, wash, repeat...

 

[zinfamous]

I don't understand this idea that you hide and protect bad things and then they magically go away. I'm glad his name was revealed. As soon as I saw it I could go to his twitter and see this was pretty clearly a white nationalist terrorist attack. I'm of the belief you shine a light on evil, not that I expect the media to do their job and shine it back at Trump.

But why would I know the victims' names? I don't know anyone in El Paso. None of them is trying to start a race war like this shooter.

I know what you're saying, but it's the martyr thing. There's a decent enough history of assholes like this and the future assholes that strive to emulate them. Serial killer worship, mass-murder worship. It's important to know everything you can about the person and their motivations from a psychology and Law Enforcement perspective, but you don't want them to remain as a symbol for future assholes, because that happens. It's why bin Laden's corpse was tossed into the ocean, so that there would be no grave--no physical shrine to worship the guy and inspire others. I know that sounds silly, but that is simply how humans work.

Best to make him a statistic. Remove the name and the face, refer to him as perpetrator #357 and keep his psyche profile on record and available.

 

[zinfamous]

Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick is already on it.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/texas...to-stay-out-of-el-paso-after-walmart-shooting

lol--is that a threat? To me that reads like "Look what we do to you Antifas here in Texas!" ...as if the terrorist Trump-hugger that murdered 20 people was murdering antifas (because they are all non-white, correct?)

 

[zinfamous]

News reports state that this was in an open carry Walmart. In fact a customer said he tried to engage the shooter. Oh and you are a disgusting sub-human thing.

I'm sure that goblin will be back to correct his error and apologize for enabling the same white-wing terrorism that he always masturbates to.

 

[zinfamous]

I just realized, the shooter is probably sitting in a cleaner cell with better treatment than a few hundred brown hombres down the street in Clint. America—love it or leave it!

He's probably getting letters and postcards of support from CBA agents as well.

 

[zinfamous]

The Walmart is on mall property and is a posted no carry zone.

Have you decided who's to blame here? Is it Trump or the gun? Stupid fuckers.

Yes: Trump, the gun(s), and you all the others like you that enable this white-wing terrorism. You are a terrorist.

 

[zinfamous]

Oddly enough this guy, at the mall was carrying:

https://www.military.com/daily-news...d-children-away-gunfire-walmart-shooting.html

Hero Fort Bliss Soldier Carried Children Away from Gunfire in Walmart Shooting

Some heroes wear capes... Thank for both your service and your bravery. Brave men don't shoot up places NOR champion them NOT make fucking jokes about it on the Internet...

so, did he pull his gun? Probably not, because he's smart. Cops would have blown him away instantly.

 

[UglyCasanova]

From what it sounds like he brought his gun for that purpose but I guess didn’t encounter the shooter

 

[umbrella39]

I'd save kids lives, too... There is no winning in that situation. Get out. Get others out if you can. Deal with the shooter if directly confronted but this man as others are wise not to run out of a situation like that brandishing...

 

[DrDoug]

This guy kills 20+ people in an open carry Walmart and police take him in without a scratch.

Black man buys an air rifle in an open carry Walmart and police kill him for just carrying it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III

As you were saying...