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dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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If he'd been a brown guy with a cell phone or flashlight the cops would've smoked him in less than a second, but white dude kills a couple dozen people they politely arrest him without a scratch. Hope they had a chance to stop at Burger King on the way to jail.
 
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pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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You either say his name or you don't. If you say his name then you have to keep saying it because this is an important story that demands media coverage and not everyone watches the news at the same time. I think people should be able to put names and faces towards hate movements so they don't forget them.


But how does a name and face help, other than to encourage those who share his ideology to see him as some sort of icon or martyr? (assuming in this case the fellow _has_ an ideology, which isn't 100% clear at this point, for this particular case, simply because it's rather early, but i'ts clearly a common thing in general). Or, in non-explicitly-ideological cases, to encourage the psychopathic in general to believe that a crash-and-burn rampage is a way to get the world to pay attention to them and their unhappiness?

When one looks at the figures, these spree-killings seem to have been gradually, non-monatonically, increasing in scale, as if each is looking to set a new record to gain attention. Whether they are are political terrorism or individual acting-out (and those are two different things that nonetheless overlap and blur into each other), a desire to have the world pay attention to your internal problems as well as your political grievances is pretty obviously part of the motivation.

Seriously, how does a name and face add anything to what is already known about toxic politics, gun-ownership, and general male-inadaquacy? For political terror I entirely agree one can't ignore the events or the ideology and socio-political-factors behind them, but there is still no reason to turn an individual into some sort of star (or anti-star). They don't deserve it, because, frankly, they didn't do anything that is particularly hard or clever. There's no great accomplishment in going amok with a gun, especially not in a society where you can buy a gun from a supermarket.

I have no interest in their names - they want me to know them, I'm not interested.

(In a different, yet similar, spirit, I try quite hard not to hear anything about the doings and personal utterances of our Royal Family - I'm not interested in them as individuals either, I resent constantly being told about them, I'm only interested in the political effect of that institution and what might bring about the end of it)
 

Paladin3

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Mar 5, 2004
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Fuck that. Don't make him a martyr and let him hit the news with every appeal. Throw him in general and let a Hispanic guy make him his bitch.
It appears we have plenty of evidence to convict this guy. Give him a quick, 90-day trial to review the evidence and execute him by a firing squad of the victim's family (or their duly appointed representative) a few minutes before the next sunrise. And let the sun never shine on him, his memory or manifesto ever again.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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It appears we have plenty of evidence to convict this guy. Give him a quick, 90-day trial to review the evidence and execute him by a firing squad of the victim's family (or their duly appointed representative) a few minutes before the next sunrise. And let the sun never shine on him, his memory or manifesto ever again.

you should read about the history of public execution
 

DrDoug

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Jan 16, 2014
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Jeb!'s son, Texas General Land Office Commissioner George P. Bush, is the first Republican I have seen to "go there":

"I believe fighting terrorism remains a national priority," Bush said. "And that should include standing firm against white terrorism. There have now been multiple attacks from self-declared white terrorists here in the US in the past several months," he added. "This is a real and present threat that we must all denounce and defeat."

Good on him. One Republican is finally calling it what it is, white terrorism. I am sure that his fellow party members will be hitting the fainting couches and smelling salts any minute now. Denouncing his words will follow, as usual.

House Democrats need to get going already on impeaching the Orange Menace that's inciting the white terrorists in our nation. This has to end.
 

Paladin3

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you should read about the history of public execution
I'm not championing the entire history of public execution. I'm saying the guy in the photo who just killed 20 and wounded 26(?) more deserves to die, as per the conditions I stated. 90 days for a judge and jury to review the evidence then carry the sentence out immediately. If there were ever an incident that such would be the best outcome, this is one of those times.

And, please stop twisting what I say into meaning I advocate something entirely different. You do it quite often when we debate. Advocating this animal's death does not mean I support every execution that has ever taken place, but nice try changing the subject.

Or do you not believe this piece of shit should cease to exist? What could the world possibly gain from his continued existence? We put down dangerous animals, don't we?
 

DrDoug

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Jan 16, 2014
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I'm not championing the entire history of public execution. I'm saying the guy in the photo who just killed 20 and wounded 26(?) more deserves to die, as per the conditions I stated. 90 days for a judge and jury to review the evidence then carry the sentence out immediately. If there were ever an incident that such would be the best outcome, this is one of those times.

And, please stop twisting what I say into meaning I advocate something entirely different. You do it quite often when we debate. Advocating this animal's death does not mean I support every execution that has ever taken place, but nice try changing the subject.

Or do you not believe this piece of shit should cease to exist? What could the world possibly gain from his continued existence? We put down dangerous animals, don't we?

Personally, I would like to see the little fuck locked up for life. He's young, which means that he's going to have a long time to think about what he did. Killing him would be too easy on him. Day after day after day of prison, no hope of ever getting out. Ever. No escape for him, no way out but for the little fuck except to end it himself, which I hope the guards prevent him from doing.

Besides that, he's not an animal to be put down. Don't lower yourself in that way.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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To blame Donald Trump and to blame congressional republicans?
Damn straight, blame them....
Consider this, if Donald Trump were even half as concern over guns and mass shootings as he is over immigrants and walls then maybe we'd ban assault weapons entirely.
Look at the energy Trump and congressional republicans place on threats that are not real threats at all, yet the real threats i.e. the mass shootings they do noting at all.
In fact, they fight and resist every effort to do anything at all or to enact laws to stop the carnage.
A smart, engaged, concerned president could be that one individual out front to make a difference. To set the stage for change. But we won't see any of this from this current president. Not at all.
All we'll get are thoughts and prayers and a lot more dead Americans.
A real American president could lead and make the difference.
Too bad we don't have a real American president.....
 

dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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Personally, I would like to see the little fuck locked up for life. He's young, which means that he's going to have a long time to think about what he did. Killing him would be too easy on him. Day after day after day of prison, no hope of ever getting out. Ever. No escape for him, no way out but for the little fuck except to end it himself, which I hope the guards prevent him from doing.

Besides that, he's not an animal to be put down. Don't lower yourself in that way.
I'd put him in solitary and throw away the key, that would be worse that being executed, death is the easy way out.
let sit in his cell all by himself, no interaction with others, no reading material, just him and the thoughts in his head.
 

DrDoug

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Jan 16, 2014
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I'd put him in solitary and throw away the key, that would be worse that being executed, death is the easy way out.
let sit in his cell all by himself, no interaction with others, no reading material, just him and the thoughts in his head.

Yup, I feel like killing him would be letting him off easy. The survivors have to live with what he did for the rest of their lives, letting him get away from that by killing him would be wrong.
 

IJTSSG

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Aug 12, 2014
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The Walmart is on mall property and is a posted no carry zone.

Have you decided who's to blame here? Is it Trump or the gun? Stupid fuckers.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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The Walmart is on mall property and is a posted no carry zone.

Have you decided who's to blame here? Is it Trump or the gun? Stupid fuckers.

I'm pretty sure the consensus is stupid fuckers like yourself are to blame.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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"I blame Antifa"- Slow, probably.

Right now I don't think we have conclusive facts about this guy other than he murdered a lot of people. I have to sit on my reactions a bit longer as far as motives go since there's a lot of reporting and in the aftermath not everything is covered correctly. I know there's a manifesto reported but I'd like to have all of this confirmed before I go off on Antifa, err, someone. Yes there is a bit of sarcasm there.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Per Fox its still to soon. Discussing the reasons behind this shooting is "politicizing tragedy"
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Oddly enough this guy, at the mall was carrying:

https://www.military.com/daily-news...d-children-away-gunfire-walmart-shooting.html

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Hero Fort Bliss Soldier Carried Children Away from Gunfire in Walmart Shooting


Some heroes wear capes... Thank for both your service and your bravery. Brave men don't shoot up places NOR champion them NOT make fucking jokes about it on the Internet...
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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The Walmart is on mall property and is a posted no carry zone.

Have you decided who's to blame here? Is it Trump or the gun? Stupid fuckers.

YES! Gun crime will be solved once we have 400,000,001 guns in this country and everyone is armed.

Speaking of stupid fucker.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Oct 20, 2014
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But how does a name and face help, other than to encourage those who share his ideology to see him as some sort of icon or martyr? (assuming in this case the fellow _has_ an ideology, which isn't 100% clear at this point, for this particular case, simply because it's rather early, but i'ts clearly a common thing in general). Or, in non-explicitly-ideological cases, to encourage the psychopathic in general to believe that a crash-and-burn rampage is a way to get the world to pay attention to them and their unhappiness?

When one looks at the figures, these spree-killings seem to have been gradually, non-monatonically, increasing in scale, as if each is looking to set a new record to gain attention. Whether they are are political terrorism or individual acting-out (and those are two different things that nonetheless overlap and blur into each other), a desire to have the world pay attention to your internal problems as well as your political grievances is pretty obviously part of the motivation.

Seriously, how does a name and face add anything to what is already known about toxic politics, gun-ownership, and general male-inadaquacy? For political terror I entirely agree one can't ignore the events or the ideology and socio-political-factors behind them, but there is still no reason to turn an individual into some sort of star (or anti-star). They don't deserve it, because, frankly, they didn't do anything that is particularly hard or clever. There's no great accomplishment in going amok with a gun, especially not in a society where you can buy a gun from a supermarket.

I have no interest in their names - they want me to know them, I'm not interested.

(In a different, yet similar, spirit, I try quite hard not to hear anything about the doings and personal utterances of our Royal Family - I'm not interested in them as individuals either, I resent constantly being told about them, I'm only interested in the political effect of that institution and what might bring about the end of it)

I just think it would be a lot easier for Trump to write it off as bullshit and more people would swallow it whole if we didn't know details about the shooter and his motive so we can see for ourselves that this was clearly white nationalist terrorism. I could understand the argument for not broadcasting the names and faces more back when these mass shootings were seemingly random acts, but this is a conservative terror movement. Unless you want to shut the president up I don't think there is any way to stop this kind of shit. I don't think people are doing these acts for personal glory. They're doing it because they're fed all kind of nonsense by the president and the conservative media constantly blaming brown people for their struggles, and they're executing these terror attacks not for themselves but for their collective white identity since it's the one thing they're taught to be proud of by the conservative media. Like you're special for being born with a skin color.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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The mall where this occurred was a posted no carry establishment.

Never let facts get in the way of you being an ignorant bitch. It rarely matters in this echo chamber.
It might be appropriate to man up and admit your mistake.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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You really don't give a shit about the people who were shot, for you it's all about the trolling.

#fuckoffanddietroll


Sure I do, I hate that things like this happen. I can't imagine how awful it wold be, your loved one goes to the store to grab some odds & ends and ends up being murdered by some coward that can't handle the pressures of life. But the left's ideas on how to stop it are laughable, absolutely laughable. Gun free zones, magazine capacity limits, "assault" weapons bans, suppressor bans, etc. etc. are all feel good do nothing regulations. The only people harmed by such limitations are legal and lawful gun owners.