YAMAHA 16x/10x cd-rw drive at onvia only $269.99 + ship!!

[divinemartyr]

That's right, the new 16x drive from yamaha comes out next week, and the IDE version can be preordered from Onvia at the following URL for only 269.99!

Yamaha 16x/10x CD-RW Drive $269.99

This drive is being reviewed at cdrinfo.com and so far they have given it excellent reviews. Writes on 12x media just fine, writes a full CD (74 minutes) in under 5 minutes, the DAE (Digital Audio Extraction) is UNBELIEVABLY fast at 38-40x and they say it is PERFECT no flaws in the DAE. They said it could not write DAO sub channel (but with a tweak it could). If anyone knows what sub channel writing is PLEASE let me know =) I'm curious.

Anyhow, they also said they had CPU usage up as high as 95% and this drive made no coasters, and had no problems maintaining its burn speed. They did however mention you will need a PC that's nice and fast.

divinemartyr

 

[rigmah]

Is onvia's 50 off 200 coupon still active?

 

[divinemartyr]

Nope the 50 off 250 coupon expired on October 31. I haven't been able to find any onvia coupons lately, if anyone has one let me know, I'm not going to be purchasing this drive until sometime next week so hopefully one will pop up. Still at $270 this drive is a steal. The plextor 12x goes for about $229 with coupons right now, and for 33% more speed, and INFINITELY faster DAE this is a bargain. I'll buy it regardless if I can find a coupon or not.

divinemartyr

 

[Kwad Guy]

Well, 16x is certainly better than 12x. But it's not all THAT
much better. You're going from a maximum burn time of 6.6 minutes
to a maximum burn time of 5 minutes for a CD. (Certain overhead
will be invariant for any burn run, so the actual improvement won't
even be as large as shown by those numbers).

Anyway, if everything was equal, I'd certainly like 16x better than
12x. But I can't imagine anyone turning in their 12x burner for
a 16x burner on the basis of just the burn speed.

Good DAE is a plus, but good DAE is really important for the
source CD in a CD-copy. Unless you're gonna buy two of these
Yamaha drives, or else copy first to hard drive (which is gonna
eat up the advantage to the fast burn rate and then some), I don't
see that the good DAE is really that much of a barn-burner, either.

My suggestion for someone looking to get into the fast CD burning
game: Buy one of the closeout Smart & Friendly 12-4-32 burners
from JustDeals.com ($220 plus $12 shipping, I think). This comes
with a nice bootable Advansys SCSI2 SCSI card. Add a plextor 40X
SCSI CD-ROM drive for extraction (about $80-90). And for $310-320
you have a terrific SCSI burning setup. No burn-proof, but my
experience is that the only time this kind of SCSI setup gives
an underrun is when something has gone horribly wrong with either
the software or your computer. That is, the kind of situation where
you'll probably have to reboot anyway (in which case burnproof
isn't gonna save you, either).

The only downside: THe S&F CD-burner (a rebadged Sanyo) isn't
fully CloneCD compatible. But then, I've read that the 12-10-32
Plextors aren't fully CloneCD compatible, either, and the Yamahas
have historically not been CloneCD compatible.

FWIW.

Kwad

 

[divinemartyr]

Almost forgot to mention, for you SCSI buffs out there, onvia also has the scsi version of this drive coming out (I assume next week just like the IDE version) for only about $30 more at $298, which beats the price of the plextor drive which is generally about $299 without any discounts. This deal simply can't be passed up if you're looking for a new CD-RW.

divinemartyr

 

[WoundedWallet]

Thanks divinemartyr,

that will probably be my Christmas present to replace my present from two years ago(Yamaha 4x2x6 SCSI).

Funny thing is that they my original one cost about the same as this one will cost. And this one is 4x faster overall.

Can I expect a 64x write in two years? Letsee, one minute per CD... That's almost as fast as my NIC!

WW

 

[jebus]

does this drive support the buffer-underrun protection found in the plextor 12/10 burner? that would be a huge plus

 

[divinemartyr]

jebus,

with the buffers they now have on cd-rw drives (2-4 mb) the burnproof technology really isn't necessary.. they said they had tested it on cdrinfo.com so that the processor went all the way up to 95% usage (basically a torture test) and the disc did not buffer underrun even once. Burnproof technology is nice but with the buffers they have now, are really unnecessary.

divinemartyr

 

[Steve0]

jebus: The new Yamaha burners have a feature called "Waste-Proof" which may or may not be the same thing as "Burn-Proof". Can't tell from their description, which sounds like a bunch of doubletalk:

This exclusive write strategy maximizes stability of the recording environment by combining a large buffer memory, CAV writing support for on-the-fly data backup, and specific fine-tunings to the recording software, resulting in elimination of buffer underruns and waste of media.

I chose the new Plextor 12/10/32S over the Yamaha 16/10/40 because I have a Plextor 40max Wide CDROM drive and I like the Plextor Manager utilities with this combination. Hope I don't regret this decision.

Steve

 

[jebus]

I think the most important factor with buffer underruns is not CPU utilization (I'm sure it is, but not the MOST important), but the speed and bandwidth of the data transfer ie. hard drive speed, the connection type, etc... With my current burner, even when my CPU utilization is high, it doesn't necessarily mean I will get buffer underruns (occasionly it does). However if Windows even decides to page memory contents out to the hard drive, then I almost instantly get buffer underruns (unless I'm lucky). Just my opinion based on my own experiences, others may vary.

Any protection is a plus I guess.

 

[nealh]

the Yamaha does not support burnproof or similar tech. it has a large 8mg buffer I believe.

the buffer is very important a 4mg buffer will probably be ok burning at 8x(? 10x) and multitasking without a coaster...but it will depend on the programs and computer speed....I personally would avoid a drive at this point that does not have burnproof like technology...the new Ricoh high speed drives support Justlink similar to burnproof...

Also Yamaha may or may not support DAO-RAW which is required to copy cd properly...becareful with this drive till DAO-RAW is well documented.

 

[Halz]

As fast as these drives are burning CDs, couldn't someone just read a webpage or somthing I/O mild while burning a CD in 5 minutes?

 

[pdo]

Danm I just ordered the new Plextor.

 

[www rob corn]

DVD Burners are coming out soon right?

 

[divinemartyr]

www rob com

DVD Burners are already out, they are in the range of about 400 dollars for a cheap one. They can burn 4.7 gig per side, I think at 8x on those drives. They can burn double sided however. Imagine trying to burn 4.7 gig though, that's about 8 times a CD, and when you take into consideration 8x is still the same as CD burn speed, you're looking at about 80 minutes for a full DVD. If they have 12x dvd burners, someone please correct me and let me know.

Also of particular note, DVD media is going for about $20 per disc right now. Just a few things to consider. DVD movies on average, cost less than this if you shop around for them.

divinemartyr

 

[Capster]

Be careful in saying that DVD burners are selling for $400. Those are dvd-ram and are not compatible with anything but they're own drives to my knowledge. Lots of folks that I know have mistaken them for true dvd-rom burners and had planned on purchasing them to archive their dvd's to. As for a true dvd-rom burner last I heard they were around the $4000 mark. Quite a bit of difference in price.

 

[SuperFreaky]

I don't think *true* dvd burners exist... yet

 

[Bling Bling]

dvd burners are the stand alone things, just like those phillips cd recorders.

As for the "waste proof" vs. "burn proof" lingo: i don't think it's the same. "Waste Proof" says that the big buffer will prevent errors. Burn Proof on the other hand stops burning if there is a break in the transfer stream, and then continues. Thus burn proof is much better. waste proof basically says that the big buffer is sufficient to prevent underruns. this is not always true. almost every burner out there has a 2 or 4 mb buffer. in fact there is an acer drive with an 8 mb buffer. however, they are all known to produce bad discs once in a while, especiall if the source disc is bad. the burn proof burners, like the plextor, don't do that. i have the 12/10/32 plextor drive, and it has yet to produce a bad disc. the burn time has never reached 7 minutes for a FULL disc. and this includes added effects, mp3 decoding, etc. etc. while i am on the net, downloading files from both napster and scour, talking on AIM, listening to mp3s, and running photoshop. i don't know if the waste proof burners could handle that. especially if you have an older computer, where the hard drive suddenly stalls, and then responds after a couple of seconds. whenever that happens, the plextor stops the laser, and then continues. any other burner, no matter how large the buffer, would produce an error because the laser cannot stop writing, and if there is no data stream, it will result in an error.

So basically if i understand what "Waste Proof" is (i think i do), then i'd say that i would skip out on this burner and settle for a cheaper, just as good (if not better quality wise) drive such as the Plextor 12/10/32. Though 16x is tempting, i'd wait for something like burn proof to be implemented in the drive. Burn Proof is that good!

So, if you want my opinion/advice, skip this drive for now.

Bling Bling

 

[DaveNCheez]

Pioneer I believe make a TRUE
DVD-r

its like $1200 currently

Search pricewatch

Dave

and discs are around $25

 

[jimmygates]

I got the Plextor 12/10/32 SCSI and I simply love it. Burn speeds are fast and I can do other tasks while burning. I don't know much about the Yamaha but I used to own a Yamaha 8x SCSI and it was a great burner also. I won't trade my Plextor for this 16x Yamaha, but if I didn't already own a Plextor, I would get the Yamaha just for bragging rights.


-Jimbo

 

[sygyzy]

Can someone tell me real quick the breakdown of different SCSI interfaces? I have a Yamaha 400AT and I have an Adaptec SCSI card for it. I thikn it's 2920 or something like that. Will this work with SCSI hard drives? How about newer SCSI burners like the Plextor 12x or Yamaha 16x? Thanks, I don't know much about SCSI.

 

[Louse]

who needs a dvd rom burner when you can just rip and encode the dvds into mpeg 4 and put it on a cd anyhow??

 

[craigg]

I had the Yamaha 8x8x24x IDE for a few weeks and had nothing but trouble with it. I could not write at 8x unless I gave the burner exclusive use of the computer. In calls to tech support they were of little help. I think all they did is read from the manual they sent me. They said I probably didn't have a fast enough machine. I told them 800 mhz Pentium III, 256mb. Then they said that that my hard drive was not fast enough, I said I had a 7200 rpm 30gb. In the end I sent it back. I never could extract from cd and write at 8x and the only way I could write at 8x from hard drive is if I basically shut down every other program running. I then bought the Plextor 12x10x32x with burnproof and have never made a single coaster. The drive burns at 12x in about 7 minutes no matter what other tasks I may be doing. It works flawlessly and I have yet to make a coaster. Don't fall for the big buffer double talk that these manufacturers use. I think someone else once said here that at 8x a 4mb buffer would be empty in a sec or two, double that at 16x!

 

[DanStp]

Now I have an 8x Yamaha, and have no problems at all with it. But I think the reason why is SCSI. I think the burn proof thing is a band-aid, for IDE. SCSI is where you want to go for true multitasking and burning. But you have to spend the $$$$$$$$$'s Since this is becomming a burner thread maybe we should move it to the Forum for that?

 

[DealyDo]

Band-Aid for IDE? Must be a band-Aid for the SCSI unit since it has burn-proof also. It also has 4md of buffer vs the IDE model (but is it really necessary with burn-proof?) and a cooling fan on back where the IDE version doesn't.

If I had a SCSI card I'd be using the SCSI unit, but since I don't, I very happily using the EIDE unit that I bought at Onvia for $199.00 last week. Funny thing is that I got $121.00 for my old Memorex 2X CD-RW on E-bay.