Yale psychiatrist: White House officials told me Trump was 'unraveling'

Commodus

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So says Bandy Lee.

Yeah, it's in Salon, and Lee previously wrote a book discussing Trump's mental health, so take it with a grain of salt if you like. But so long as Lee is telling the truth that the administration reached out, worried Trump was falling apart... er, that's not good.

I mean, it was evident even in 2015/2016 that Trump was a few cards short of a full deck, but the last thing you want to hear is that it's worsening over time... and there's support for it beyond Woodward's book and the NYT op-ed. Just look at how he recently struggled to pronounce "anonymous" (it's not that difficult a word). What happens if it gets to the point where he's genuinely incoherent?

And the concern isn't just that the US is being run by someone who might need to be in a retirement home, it's that numerous Republicans would rather prop up Trump and keep the charade going than do the right thing and invoke the 25th. Because, of course, invoking the 25th would mean admitting that Trump's policies are the products of senility and that Republicans don't really care.
 

1prophet

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So says Bandy Lee.

Yeah, it's in Salon, and Lee previously wrote a book discussing Trump's mental health, so take it with a grain of salt if you like. But so long as Lee is telling the truth that the administration reached out, worried Trump was falling apart... er, that's not good.

I mean, it was evident even in 2015/2016 that Trump was a few cards short of a full deck, but the last thing you want to hear is that it's worsening over time... and there's support for it beyond Woodward's book and the NYT op-ed. Just look at how he recently struggled to pronounce "anonymous" (it's not that difficult a word). What happens if it gets to the point where he's genuinely incoherent?

And the concern isn't just that the US is being run by someone who might need to be in a retirement home, it's that numerous Republicans would rather prop up Trump and keep the charade going than do the right thing and invoke the 25th. Because, of course, invoking the 25th would mean admitting that Trump's policies are the products of senility and that Republicans don't really care.

Oh they care, and they don't like Trump, but since he provides a vehicle that allows them to fulfill their own agendas they are more than willing to look the other way, especially since the Trump obsessed media pays more attention to the Trump reality show than the long term foundational damage the Republican party is doing behind the scenes to the country.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/steved...ublican-party-uses-donald-trump/#5cf337096c69
How The Republican Party Uses Donald Trump

While much of the discussion in Washington D.C. is about how Donald Trump has taken over the Republican Party, what’s more striking is how effectively the leadership of the Republican Party has used Donald Trump to enact its own long-held agenda
With a tax cut for the wealthy that exceeds the dreams of avarice, the expansion of the military budget, two Supreme Court picks, multiple judicial appointments to other appellate courts, and the wholesale demolition of key regulatory protections, the Republican Party is exulting in results. It can afford to lose the mid-term elections, and even the 2020 presidential election, without excessive regret. Even with those setbacks, the steps already taken will require decades to undo. Is it any wonder why support in the Republican Party for Donald Trump remains so strong?


The structural gains made in implementing the Republican agenda over the past twenty months, with the help of Donald Trump, will endure for decades. The Supreme Court appointments are for life. The public sector deficit caused by the massive tax cut, combined with the military expenditure increases, will enable the Republican Party to suddenly rediscover their commitment to fiscal discipline and push for “necessary cutbacks in social programs.” Moreover, if Republicans manage to maintain control of at least the Senate in the mid-term elections, the Republican Party will be able to elude any significant undoing of what they have accomplished.



To be sure, the extraordinary accomplishments to date necessitated extraordinary patience and focus on the part of the Republican Party leadership. They have had to deal with a President, whom even his own appointees call “an idiot,” “a moron” and “someone with the understanding of a fifth or sixth grader.” They have had to tolerate presidential behavior that is “unhinged” and “narcissistic,” with lengthy rages, tirades and vicious insults. They have had to close their eyes to daily disregard of facts and accuracy, multiple racist statements, repeated attacks on free trade, democracy and the rule of law, ongoing interference in judicial processes, the demonization of the free press, and blatant disregard of the very premises of the U.S. Constitution. They have had to set aside the growing evidence of electoral and financial malpractice in the President’s background. They have had to tolerate the President’s friendships with dictators, his abasement before foreign adversaries, his insulting of allies and the attempted trashing of international agreements and institutions.

While history will not look kindly on these craven accommodations, the concessions have seemingly been made acceptable to the Republican leadership by the knowledge that there is within the White House and throughout the administration, a “Resistance” of officials who are committed to averting the worst tendencies of the President, and to doing whatever is necessary to prevent utter disaster. Such officials are willing to take such extreme actions as stealing documents from the President’s desk (Trump’s top economic adviser, Gary Cohn) in the realistic expectation that the President would forget he ever intended to execute them or telling the president that the President’s wishes would be implemented while ordering subordinates to do the opposite (Defense Secretary James Mattis).

According to Senators Flake and Corker, the fact that this hidden government within the government has been in place since the beginning of the Trump administration is common knowledge among Senate Republicans.

What may change the situation is the publication this week of an OpEd article in the New York Times by an anonymous “senior official in the Trump administration” confirming the existence of the “Resistance.”

Until this week, Trump could luxuriate in the illusion that he was running the country and implementing his own agenda, when in fact it is the traditional Republican Party agenda that is being implemented. The president could tell his adoring fans that he will “build the wall” along the Southern border at the very time the Republican Party leadership is explaining to him yet again why now is not the right moment to fund his top priority. The President can regale his rallies with the news that he is redoing our alliances to make America great again at the very moment that his own staff are secretly conniving with allies to preserve ongoing relationships.

In the eyes of Republican Party leadership, the crime of Anonymous in writing the OpEd is not so much that the writer is disloyal to the President. It is common knowledge that many senior officials are disloyal to the President. For the Republican Party leadership, the crime is that Anonymous has revealed the con that is going on.

The emperor has been publicly declared to be wearing no clothes. As in Hans Christian Andersen’s telling of the famous fairy story, the emperor’s supporters in the court continue to act as though the emperor is fully clothed: some 27 senior officials, including the Vice President, cabinet secretaries and even the President’s wife, have issued statements of loyalty and denials that they wrote the OpEd.

Yet the President cannot help being upset. As expected, his first response is extreme anger at the disloyalty, combined with calling for outing the author and shouting treason. He has launched an investigation and may use lie detector tests or sworn affidavits. Meanwhile he reassures himself at rallies by reliving yet again his 2016 victory, pointing to non-existent favorable poll numbers and even citing support from a friendly despot (Kim Jong Un, the leader of North Korea).

A second response is his recognition that there is no one around him he can trust. There is now a risk that the President may rouse from his delusion of power and renege on the deal that he gets to act as a kind of ill-bred ceremonial President. He may come to be dissatisfied with regaling his rallies with fatuities, while the real power is being wielded by the leaders of the Republican Party. He may be moved to assert his independence, break free from his restraints and implement ideas that even his own chief of staff, General John Kelly, calls “Crazytown.”





 

Jhhnn

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Oh they care, and they don't like Trump, but since he provides a vehicle that allows them to fulfill their own agendas they are more than willing to look the other way, especially since the Trump obsessed media pays more attention to the Trump reality show than the long term foundational damage the Republican party is doing behind the scenes to the country.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/steved...ublican-party-uses-donald-trump/#5cf337096c69
How The Republican Party Uses Donald Trump

While much of the discussion in Washington D.C. is about how Donald Trump has taken over the Republican Party, what’s more striking is how effectively the leadership of the Republican Party has used Donald Trump to enact its own long-held agenda

For once I'll agree with you wholeheartedly. Trump is a chump for the GOP & Putin as well.
 

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Oh they care, and they don't like Trump, but since he provides a vehicle that allows them to fulfill their own agendas they are more than willing to look the other way, especially since the Trump obsessed media pays more attention to the Trump reality show than the long term foundational damage the Republican party is doing behind the scenes to the country.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/steved...ublican-party-uses-donald-trump/#5cf337096c69
How The Republican Party Uses Donald Trump

While much of the discussion in Washington D.C. is about how Donald Trump has taken over the Republican Party, what’s more striking is how effectively the leadership of the Republican Party has used Donald Trump to enact its own long-held agenda
Good analysis by Forbes. Most of the MSM is so focused on reporting daily every time Trump farts after eating spicy KFC that they are not seeing past the trees.
 

Jaskalas

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I mean, it was evident even in 2015/2016 that Trump was a few cards short of a full deck, but the last thing you want to hear is that it's worsening over time...

At Trump's age? Of course his mental state will be deteriorating over time, and that's for a normal, healthy, and stress free person!
 

dainthomas

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There is obviously some level of dementia or mental decline. Maybe due to mini strokes or something.
 

WelshBloke

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There is obviously some level of dementia or mental decline. Maybe due to mini strokes or something.
He's 72, it's not unusual for people that are to have dementia, his is compounded by his personality plus his job.
 

Commodus

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At Trump's age? Of course his mental state will be deteriorating over time, and that's for a normal, healthy, and stress free person!

Ha, it's more that he's already mentally unstable compared to others his age, and he's declining faster than they would. Everyone goes downhill, it's just that Trump tripped near the top of the hill and is tumbling down where everyone else is still walking.
 
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What I see is a con man, a criminal, and a deluded fanatic who thinks that what he thinks and reality are the same thing. His mental capacity may be declining but I don't see that as the real issue. He still has a real and profound talent for being who he is. He is a master at speaking to the worst in people who hate themselves in telling them what they want to hear. Imagine if you had been abandoned by the political system, living in a world where democracy is dead, and somebody told you that it's you who will make America great again. And then, before you can fulfill that dream, the liberals come along and impeach him. Now just go home and burn your Bibles and melt down your guns, maybe find an iceberg that will float out into the sea.
 

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Trump is like Reagan, only even more dangerous. Reagan had the "courage" of his convictions, albeit the convictions of a senile simpleton; Trump has no convictions beyond promotion of himself.

I hope our institutions win out and furnish The Donald with at least one . . . conviction. ;)
 

Moonbeam

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Trump is like Reagan, only even more dangerous. Reagan had the "courage" of his convictions, albeit the convictions of a senile simpleton; Trump has no convictions beyond promotion of himself.

I hope our institutions win out and furnish The Donald with at least one . . . conviction. ;)
I think he takes great pleasure in successfully conning his way to becoming president and staying in that office. Surely con artists have goals and ambitions. He is truly great, even if it's at being a piece of shit. Any attention is better than none for those who hate themselves and accept that they do and go with it.
 

Jaskalas

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Thing is... go back and listen to his !@#$ on September 11th, 2001. Same guy, same trash spewed then as he spews now. If anything he's just less focused and more rambling than years prior. Moral decay aside, that's just age setting in.