yajt: would you quit?

[Viper GTS]

I think you should stay. You can't afford not to. You have no savings, no valuable skills or connections, or another job. He's a shitty boss; you're shitty employee. You guys deserve each other. Situation isn't going to magically get better. Either learn new skill and make yourself valuable or work low level grunt level job that no one will appreciate with the pay to reflect. I don't think the problem is your boss. It's you.

I was not going to be nearly so blunt about it but I read this at a restaurant, drove home, and powered up my PC to write mostly this.

Over the years you have posted quite a few threads like this. The world is out to get me so fuck all of them I will do what I want. The common factor in all of these situations is you. Behaving like you've described in this thread is not going to get you flexibility in your jobs. That kind of thing is earned, and you are clearly unwilling or unable to do the earning.

You're a little old to be acting like this, and with a few too many people relying upon you. It is not, however, too late to fix it. Maybe your boss is a problem (he can't pay not pay you for work) and maybe this job is not salvageable. But if you want your next job, and the one after that to go better then YOU need to behave differently. This is a necessary life skill if you want to get out of these low level shit jobs. Most of us have had to do those kinds of jobs, whether you continue having jobs like that is up to you.

Viper GTS

 

[angminas]

I don't think the problem is your boss. It's you.

To clarify for OP, I would say the problem that OP needs to deal with is his boss. The boss seemingly is an asshole, but that's kinda beside the point.

 

[slackerinabox]

Telephone support is the nadir of jobs. Every single person in a managerial position is lower than an IRS agent, used car salesman or, risk management. Unemployment is a step up from telephone support. Drinking at the bar all day has more opportunity for advancement. Pimping your wife has better benefits and is morally superior to telephone support. Selling plasma is a better job than telephone support.

Well, it's not it support but specialized industrial gear b2b support, but I'm not going to defend a job I dislike very much. I took the job because it's pay match my prior and it was a quick commute, but I hate the neighborhood and I hate phone support - moving on when appropriate is the plan.

 

[slackerinabox]

Over the years you have posted quite a few threads like this. The world is out to get me so fuck all of them I will do what I want. The common factor in all of these situations is you. Behaving like you've described in this thread is not going to get you flexibility in your jobs. That kind of thing is earned, and you are clearly unwilling or unable to do the earning.

You're a little old to be acting like this, and with a few too many people relying upon you. It is not, however, too late to fix it. Maybe your boss is a problem (he can't pay not pay you for work) and maybe this job is not salvageable. But if you want your next job, and the one after that to go better then YOU need to behave differently. This is a necessary life skill if you want to get out of these low level shit jobs. Most of us have had to do those kinds of jobs, whether you continue having jobs like that is up to you.

Viper GTS

To be fair, I don't post about awesome job experiences (and I've had a few - man, did I love my last sales gig but I wasn't good enough then, though I want to return to the industry). I guess I kinda hate nerd jobs - I often feel taken advantage of when I'm asked to work outside of my job description with no upward mobility in sight. The last gig I stormed out of was over working later than I was initially told then being asked to come in early too (when it was my job to drop my kids off, my last boss said it wasn't his problem or concern so I walked). It's partially a respect thing, partially I don't really enjoy these gigs anyways and make enough through other avenues (owning rental property) that I give less of a shit than most people. I may have anger issues as well, sure, but I've never regretted leaving any of the companies I've left out of anger - quite the contrary. Stress and family commitments mean more to me than a career to be honest.

I'm not dismissing your advice - humble pie and all that applies, I guess I've personally never seen the point in giving more than you're willing to give for a job

 

[Darwin333]

I'll start sending resumes this afternoon, but I don't have anything lined up. I do have enough saved for 2 laid back months if I just wanted to hang out with the kids and casually look for a job (sales jobs are easy to get hard as hell to keep, and I miss the excitement compare to being behind a desk)

I've always lived by the idea that you don't quit a job until you have another job lined up, ever.

 

[Svnla]

Looking for another job while you still have one >>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for a job while you have none.

Do NOT leave your job unless you have another one in your hand or you have no choice (about to get fired/lay off/etc.).

 

[cbrunny]

Retroactively docked your pay? Is that legal?

 

[slackerinabox]

Looking for another job while you still have one >>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for a job while you have none.

Do NOT leave your job unless you have another one in your hand or you have no choice (about to get fired/lay off/etc.).

That's the plan. I can tell we're at an impasse and there's little in the way of drama these past few days. If he fires me, cool. But I'm not leaving on my own until I have something else lined up..

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I hate the American way of looking at work. Work all day everyday. Screw vacation. That's an opportunity for more work. Let the employer have their way with you. If you don't obey all commands of the mighty employer you're not a good person. Oh and all this means nothing cause the employer can and will discard you like a used tampon.

 

[deadlyapp]

I hate the American way of looking at work. Work all day everyday. Screw vacation. That's an opportunity for more work. Let the employer have their way with you. If you don't obey all commands of the mighty employer you're not a good person. Oh and all this means nothing cause the employer can and will discard you like a used tampon.

I don't particularly think that's the case here. If there was no agreement for working from home, then yes it makes sense to take a vacation day. I agree that there is a large amount of feeling that people need to work on vacation, but those are mostly shitty companies or people who allow themselves to be taken advantage of. If you feel like you have to work while taking vacation days, then either you poorly manage your time, or you haven't properly figured out how to delegate / plan around your vacation.

 

[JM Aggie08]

I think you should stay. You can't afford not to. You have no savings, no valuable skills or connections, or another job. He's a shitty boss; you're shitty employee. You guys deserve each other. Situation isn't going to magically get better. Either learn new skill and make yourself valuable or work low level grunt level job that no one will appreciate with the pay to reflect. I don't think the problem is your boss. It's you.

Damn

 

[Linux23]

I'd just walk

 

[Red Squirrel]

Sounds like a nice gig except for the boss. Do you have an idea how long before he retires, maybe you can just ride it out. Failing that, I'd sit down and have a talk to him. Make sure you emphasize on being more productive when you work from home - but also be sure to actually be more productive. Do they have any kind of stats on calls taken, etc? Encourage him to go look at them when you work home. Maybe he thinks you are getting lazy and when you work from home you go "not ready" a lot or something. The stats should show all that.

But I would fix the whole thing with personal days. Stop taking so many. No job is going to accept that, they don't care about your excuse, they don't care if your grandma has cancer, or if you have cancer, or if your mom is on her death bed, they just want you to be on the job. It's sad but true. Thankfully my boss is good with that kind of stuff, but they're not all like that.

 

[brianmanahan]

I've always lived by the idea that you don't quit a job until you have another job lined up, ever.

i've never done that either, but i've finally got enough saved up that if i get sick enough of my current job i'll definitely be taking 2-3 months off until the next gig.

 

[madoka]

I've quit jobs before without having another job lined up. I have pride in what I do and don't want to stay in toxic environments. If I felt I was being treated unfairly or poorly, I would just quit. And every time I quit, my former bosses called me asking me to come back.