yajt: would you quit?

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I'll try to bullet list this: sorry for not proofing, posting at work while annoyed

1. I returned to the workplace to a job that I viewed as low stress - 15 minute commute, small business where all the workers claimed the boss was very flexible, etc. There are many compromises on my part - it's the same dollar amount as my last job but in the hood, has no real benefits, and has zero upward mobility - but I really like a 15 minute commute!

2. All 3 of my coworkers work from home occasionally, and my prior did so weekly (and he was horrible at his job, all of the clients I work with say so)

3. Since childcare's hella expensive in nyc, during the summer months when both the kids off my mom watches them - occasionally (once every 2 weeks or so), when my 70+ year old mom isnt' feeling up to it I've taken personal days. It's simply cheaper to take a day, pay or not, than hire a relatively short notice babysitter in nyc (my mom often 'calls out sick' literally the night before, and I don't blame her - she's getting up there in years).

4. My job is telephone support and my rig at home more powerful (remote connecting to clients systems on my works amd x2 and 19 inch monitor SUCKS). My job could 100% be done remotely My boss was previously ok with this until he needed me to fix his buddies computer from temple. Meaning he realized that I'm a tinkerer and started bringing in his friends computers, his grand kids computer, etc. I became his personal Geek Squad and, once he saw that I called out every 2 weeks, he reemed me then retroactively converted those days I worked at home into vacation days (meaning I wasn't paid for them after all).

5. When I called him on it - that my prior was taking personal days weekly his retort was "[your prior's] a drug addict! I demand better from you."

6. I've made myself fat, I'm not blaming the job - but since taking the job, which is much more sedentary than my prior profession in sales (not fun or easy, but boy do I miss it), the easy commute and working in the hood (I don't take walks during lunch because I don't want to get mugged) has padded the waistline, adding to my dismay about the job. Yes, I can hit the gym but I'm also itching for a more active gig

Now, I don't even mind not getting paid, just every time I take a personal day he bitches me out (and now I refuse to work at home, I take a personal day = i watch my kids, period). It's just needlessly dramatic and annoying that he feels like he has to ream me publicly to keep me in line, but I've already said numerous times "just fire me then!" Which he refuses to do. I'm completely indifferent - I've used the past year to really focus on my finances and wouldn't mind spending 2 weeks fixing up some coop remodels that have been dragging on..

I guess I'm mostly annoyed because my coworkers are allowed to work from home, my prior was able to work from home, and he just won't let me because I'm more useful to him for job functions that weren't part of my job description (fixing his buddies computers, which is a weekly thing now)
 
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Do you have another job?

I'll start sending resumes this afternoon, but I don't have anything lined up. I do have enough saved for 2 laid back months if I just wanted to hang out with the kids and casually look for a job (sales jobs are easy to get hard as hell to keep, and I miss the excitement compare to being behind a desk)
 

highland145

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I'd have to try and stick it out until you do find something else. If I blew 2 moths of savings, the car would break down right after.
 

zinfamous

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I'll try to bullet list this: sorry for not proofing, posting at work while annoyed

1. I returned to the workplace to a job that I viewed as low stress - 15 minute commute, small business where all the workers claimed the boss was very flexible, etc. There are many compromises on my part - it's the same dollar amount as my last job but in the hood, has no real benefits, and has zero upward mobility - but I really like a 15 minute commute!

2. All 3 of my coworkers work from home occasionally, and my prior did so weekly (and he was horrible at his job, all of the clients I work with say so)

3. Since childcare's hella expensive in nyc, during the summer months when both the kids off my mom watches them - occasionally (once every 2 weeks or so), when my 70+ year old mom isnt' feeling up to it I've taken personal days. It's simply cheaper to take a day, pay or not, than hire a relatively short notice babysitter in nyc (my mom often 'calls out sick' literally the night before, and I don't blame her - she's getting up there in years).

4. My job is telephone support and my rig at home more powerful (remote connecting to clients systems on my works amd x2 and 19 inch monitor SUCKS). My job could 100% be done remotely My boss was previously ok with this until he needed me to fix his buddies computer from temple. Meaning he realized that I'm a tinkerer and started bringing in his friends computers, his grand kids computer, etc. I became his personal Geek Squad and, once he saw that I called out every 2 weeks, he reemed me then retroactively converted those days I worked at home into vacation days (meaning I wasn't paid for them after all).

That's where I stopped reading.

Quit.
 
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Never quit a job until you have another lined up.

Valid point. I would enjoy the time off to fix up my coop (I'm doing all the work but my building's mf 9 to 6 only construction policy means it's taking me forever)... But you're right, I gotta stop being emotional and just line up another gig first
 
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I'd have to try and stick it out until you do find something else. If I blew 2 moths of savings, the car would break down right after.

Absolutely right, I'm not close enough to my savings goal to risk it.. I just wish he'd stop bitching me out every time I call out, I'm not doing it to go clubbing and he's not even paying me
 
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Sounds like your boss is begging for you to quit.

I think he's stuck between a rock and a hard place - my buddy here claimed my position was a revolving door and that it's very hard to find good people (it really is the hood and the subway a 15 min walk - if I didn't have a car I wouldn't do the walk to the subway past sundown) .

I repeatedly pushed his button on purpose, using profanity etc. and his final f you to me was "if you're leaving you better leave 2 weeks notice!" I fully expected to get fired by now, to be honest..
 
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I think he's stuck between a rock and a hard place - my buddy here claimed my position was a revolving door and that it's very hard to find good people (it really is the hood and the subway a 15 min walk - if I didn't have a car I wouldn't do the walk to the subway past sundown) .

I repeatedly pushed his button on purpose, using profanity etc. and his final f you to me was "if you're leaving you better leave 2 weeks notice!" I fully expected to get fired by now, to be honest..

You should tell him "If you are going to fire me i fully expect a 2 week notice" :p
 

zinfamous

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That's precisely the moment I thought wtf and was about to walk

yes but others have better advice for you: work to find another job before you do so. Unlike me, you actually have responsibilities beyond yourself, but you already get that.

It seems that your boss has perhaps gotten upset over your absences because he decided that you are his de-facto, unpaid, electronics and computer repair for his family and friends. Unable to divorce favors from his employees work tasks, he seems to believe that he deserves that labor from you for free. Not sure how reactionary he is, but you do need to confront over that issue and explain to him that repairing all of his junk is not part of your job description, it conflicts with the tasks that he is paying you to do, and if he wants to continue making these requests, then he needs to amend your job description and pay for the extra labor.

He's being a vengeful, entitled little prick exploiting your time for his gain.
 

SearchMaster

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While I agree that your boss is not seeing the forest for the trees, if you are having to call out twice a month then it sounds like you are not a particularly reliable employee. Retroactively "unpaying" you for the time you worked from home is unethical and probably not legal (PenguinPower on these forums is an experienced HR person and might be able to help). My wife works at a very inflexible and horribly unfair employer and she is FINALLY putting some feelers out for a new job (and considering starting her own firm with a fellow disgruntled employee).

As for getting out of shape, you shouldn't depend on your job to get you into shape unless that happens to BE your job. You'll have to find some time outside of work to dedicate to personal fitness.
 
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He's being a vengeful, entitled little prick exploiting your time for his gain.

Yes, vengeful's exactly the word I'd use - which makes me feel kinda gross, like he's trying to train me. To punish me. I reacted in the opposite way - to keep it 100% and stay honest here, after he retroactively gave me negative vacation days I stopped caring and have been taking weekly Fridays off just to push his buttons and will likely continue doing so (Friday was the big 'fix my synagogue buddy's computer day). 2 weeks in and he's flabbergasted and I can tell he doesn't know how to get to me. The last time he reemed me I completely embarrassed him, because I could tell it was a macho show of force more than an anything. I may or may no refuse to work on his friends rigs, sometimes I just doddle and take hours to replace a psu to make my work day shorter to be honest
 

crashtech

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I wouldn't mind getting paid by the hour to dick around with PCs. Really not a lot of that around, 95% of the work I do is on laptops these days.
 

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Yes, vengeful's exactly the word I'd use - which makes me feel kinda gross, like he's trying to train me. To punish me. I reacted in the opposite way - to keep it 100% and stay honest here, after he retroactively gave me negative vacation days I stopped caring and have been taking weekly Fridays off just to push his buttons and will likely continue doing so (Friday was the big 'fix my synagogue buddy's computer day). 2 weeks in and he's flabbergasted and I can tell he doesn't know how to get to me. The last time he reemed me I completely embarrassed him, because I could tell it was a macho show of force more than an anything. I may or may no refuse to work on his friends rigs, sometimes I just doddle and take hours to replace a psu to make my work day shorter to be honest

I was very fortunate in that for the last 5+ years, I had a string of extremely good bosses. That doesn't matter for everyone, but I guess I'm an emotionally sensitive person because working for jerks would really tear my day down. Back to freelance now, but since I've done this in the past & had experience with good-paying but insane clients, I am much more picky about who I choose to work with & am more than willing to drop a client if they're awful. I am also fortunate to be in a position where I can afford to do that because I have enough clients to make ends meet, which wasn't always the case in the past, but it's sure nice to not be locked into working for knuckleheads.

It was also eye-opening to learn that not every job has terrible bosses. Starting in high school when I started working, I had awful boss after awful boss. I just grew into the idea that all jobs simply had awful bosses. The reality is that a lot of them do, but not all of them...finding a quality place to work with good people was huge for me. It was also a big pay cut, but my stress level was so much lower that it was worth it!
 

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Never quit a job until you have another lined up.

This.

I've quit pretty decent jobs over the years just because of some small thing...like getting told I had to wear my hard hat while in the cab of the crane..."fck that shit, I'm out of here!", but what I did was much different than what most of you do...and getting another job was usually just a matter of calling the union hall...and I'd have another job lined up before I got home from the one I just quit.

Unless the job industry there is so great that all it takes is a quick phone call to get another one...bite your tongue, start shooting out resumes, and bide your time.
In my experience, it's ALWAYS easier to get a job when you already have one than when you're unemployed.
 

Rifter

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Make getting a new job your priority, and quit the second that you get a new job.
 

angminas

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Yes, vengeful's exactly the word I'd use - which makes me feel kinda gross, like he's trying to train me. To punish me. I reacted in the opposite way - to keep it 100% and stay honest here, after he retroactively gave me negative vacation days I stopped caring and have been taking weekly Fridays off just to push his buttons and will likely continue doing so (Friday was the big 'fix my synagogue buddy's computer day). 2 weeks in and he's flabbergasted and I can tell he doesn't know how to get to me. The last time he reemed me I completely embarrassed him, because I could tell it was a macho show of force more than an anything. I may or may no refuse to work on his friends rigs, sometimes I just doddle and take hours to replace a psu to make my work day shorter to be honest

This shit is unacceptable. If you engage in the same kind of behavior, you're no better than he is. Anyone can return shit for shit...be bigger, or you don't deserve a better job.

Make getting a new job your priority, and quit the second that you get a new job.

This.
 
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This shit is unacceptable. If you engage in the same kind of behavior, you're no better than he is. Anyone can return shit for shit...be bigger, or you don't deserve a better job.



This.

meh, I don't feel a karmic responsibility to be the better man - instead, I'm enjoying fridays off with the mrs (who has summer fridays) while my boss has to explain why it's impossible to get support there on a friday. As for "deserving" a better job - I'll work for it, instead of depending on the cosmos. I get your point, but he's really a dick (my prior's prior is suing him, the prior secretary is suing him, and him retroactively docking my pay makes me understand their sides more and more)
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Telephone support is the nadir of jobs. Every single person in a managerial position is lower than an IRS agent, used car salesman or, risk management. Unemployment is a step up from telephone support. Drinking at the bar all day has more opportunity for advancement. Pimping your wife has better benefits and is morally superior to telephone support. Selling plasma is a better job than telephone support.
 

crashtech

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Pretty sure you could get that pay reinstated through a simple complaint process through the USDoL, seems like he couldn't treat you any worse anyway. Be a nice gift/lesson for him on your way out, though it seems likely such a person is impervious to those types of lessons.
 
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ponyo

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I think you should stay. You can't afford not to. You have no savings, no valuable skills or connections, or another job. He's a shitty boss; you're shitty employee. You guys deserve each other. Situation isn't going to magically get better. Either learn new skill and make yourself valuable or work low level grunt level job that no one will appreciate with the pay to reflect. I don't think the problem is your boss. It's you.