YAJobT: Should I stay or should I go?

[HybridSquirrel]

So here is the situation. We had some management shift around mid-year last year. As a result, my yearly review was dependent on a manager that had only been with me for 4 months out of the year. I got a 2 out of 5 on my review, which means no raise, bonuses, or promotions in FY2015. Now, i'm not an idiot. I got a bad review because I know its a tactic that managers use to show their quality by giving employees bad reviews in one review period, and then increase it next review period. Also considering he gave everyone else on my team the same review, its obvious to us what is going on. Rather than fight it, I decided to start finding new jobs and to my surprise was offered a job on the spot, but they want me to start January 12th. I am doing a part time masters, so more money certainly helps but I also need a work/life balance to get my projects done.

But now I am starting to second guess everything. First off, They want me to start January 12th, which means i'd only be giving 1 week notice. Not a huge deal, since we're not overly busy, but how much of a dick move is that?

Pros from current job: Hourly pay rate. No more than 55 hours a week (rarely more than 40). Lots of down time, hell i'm on ATOT right now at its 11am. Not overly hard, and slow paced even during "crunch times". Company is overall good.

Cons: No pay raise this year, or additional bonuses either. No promotions for 8 months due to "bad" performance rating. Commute is kind of long, 45+ minutes both ways. Took me 2 hours last night to get home. Management changes have left us with terrible middle management in my department. Benefits are changing, meaning I'll be left with an additional $200 out of pocket for health insurance each month. No 401k matching contributions.

Pros from new job: Should make more money. Closer commute, should be sub 15 minutes. Start off fresh with new management. Tuition reimbursement. Benefits are similar to what i'm paying now. 401k match. I will get 1 weekday off per week, but will work Saturdays (this is huge in Hawaii, weekends are cluster fucks here)

Cons: Will probably be a constant 50+ hour weeks. Pay is salary + commission based (salary is not much less than I make now though). Pretty much busy all the time, will likely not get much downtime like I do now.


If ATOT was in my situation, what would they do? Bite the bullet and suck it up with the new and terrible management because i'm lazy and like steady slow paced jobs? Or leave them in the dust and start fresh and more than likely make more money but be busier at the same time?

Sorry for the rant.

 

[Ns1]

1 week notice and move on. Thank your former manager for the stellar review on the way out.

 

[andylawcc]

take it.

 

[Xonim]

1 week notice and move on. Thank your former manager for the stellar review on the way out.

+1. The reduction in commuting time alone would probably be enough for me.

Also, OP said "should be more money" ... isn't that usually something you hammer out before accepting an offer? Or are you saying "should" because you're not sure on the commission part?

 

[Ns1]

yeah on a second read, there is pretty much zero incentive to stay.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

+1. The reduction in commuting time alone would probably be enough for me.

Also, OP said "should be more money" ... isn't that usually something you hammer out before accepting an offer? Or are you saying "should" because you're not sure on the commission part?

Yeah the commission part is what i'm unsure about. The salary rate is a few dollars less per hour than I currently make, but with commission I should easily make that up. I just left it out because its not guaranteed.

 

[sactoking]

Is your old manager still around? If so, ask them for a review, which I assume will be higher than a 2. Take that review plus the offer to higher ups and say they override the 2 and move you to a different manager or you're gone.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Commission for what, exactly? You haven't given any hint of what the job itself entails.

Sounds like the commute will be shorter and therefor less stressful, but that time will be more than offset by the extra 10 hours of work per week. Did they really say you'll be working 50 hour weeks, or is that an assumption on your part? In a five day work week, two hours per day is significant.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Commission for what, exactly? You haven't given any hint of what the job itself entails.

Sounds like the commute will be shorter and therefor less stressful, but that time will be more than offset by the extra 10 hours of work per week. Did they really say you'll be working 50 hour weeks, or is that an assumption on your part? In a five day work week, two hours per day is significant.

It is the same job I do now, the difference is I will get paid for the sales I make instead of a flat hourly rate. I am in automotive. The hours are 4 x 12 (w/ 1 hour lunch) and Saturdays 10-2. But Saturday's are typically slower and we would mostly do audit work.

Is your old manager still around? If so, ask them for a review, which I assume will be higher than a 2. Take that review plus the offer to higher ups and say they override the 2 and move you to a different manager or you're gone.

fired and replaced with the new manager. I did mention something to our regional manager and he said "it is his decision". apparently having a top 10 customer survey score nationwide means nothing to them.

 

[Carson Dyle]

In your current job, you do sales but you get no bonus if your job review is below some arbitrary line? They don't take your actual sales into consideration? That make almost no sense to me.

 

[master_shake_]

if you go there will be trouble...

but if you stay it could be double...

tough choice.

sorry

 

[Imp]

My last job made me really really cynical and I was already really cynical before that. So, I understood performance reviews to be total corporate bullshit made with having written legal evidence and corporate brainwashing in mind -- but a bad one still really pissed me off.

And it wasn't even on paper: when someone falsely accused me of incompetence or something that was unreasonable, being 99% mentally checked out still made no difference. It actually made it worse.

If I had a better option, I'd have left right away because the bullshit with management and the company just ate away at me -- instead, I broke and quit with nothing lined up. The two hour total daily commute also became 3 hours, so if I could afford it, I'd start anew.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

My last job made me really really cynical and I was already really cynical before that. So, I understood performance reviews to be total corporate bullshit made with having written legal evidence and corporate brainwashing in mind -- but a bad one still really pissed me off.

And it wasn't even on paper: when someone falsely accused me of incompetence or something that was unreasonable, being 99% mentally checked out still made no difference. It actually made it worse.

If I had a better option, I'd have left right away because the bullshit with management and the company just ate away at me -- instead, I broke and quit with nothing lined up. The two hour total daily commute also became 3 hours, so if I could afford it, I'd start anew.

That is kind of where I am now. When my previous manager got fired, and I didn't get his job I was about ready to quit. But I figured I'd give the new guy a chance. But it has just gone down hill.

In your current job, you do sales but you get no bonus if your job review is below some arbitrary line? They don't take your actual sales into consideration? That make almost no sense to me.

Correct. I am actually in service, but we don't get a percentage of service/parts sold like most dealers do. We get hourly + a super small bonus(like $100 or $200 bucks) if your CSI score is above national average each month. This is mostly because we're slow. I can literally Mturk at work and make up that bonus each month (and I have been)

Under a normal review, yes my sales and CSI score is taken into consideration. However, the manager they hired is some fresh young prick out of business school and is trying to prove something so I got a bad review score as a result.

 

[Imp]

Under a normal review, yes my sales and CSI score is taken into consideration. However, the manager they hired is some fresh young prick out of business school and is trying to prove something so I got a bad review score as a result.

Does he or she have an MBA?

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Does he or she have an MBA?

from an online university, yeah.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

so I put in my notice via email (i work remotely). and got blasted by my old boss for being unprofessional and not turning it in person. He works 2500 miles from me, how is that feasible?

 

[CurrentlyPissed]

1 week notice and move on. Thank your former manager for the stellar review on the way out.

This. I had a terrible manager one time that kept fucking me over(I put up with it for about 2 years). When I found a new job, I gave him a 24 hour notice. Told him I'd be there to lock up the next day, then he's on his own.


FWIW. I'm in a current very similiar position. Oddly enough, also in service. (Nissan Service Advisor).

Anyways we have a new Director over service, he immediately changed the bonus plan, and it's about half of what it was before. I'm thinking about looking into a new job as well. I do 60% of the work load at our facility, hit all my marks. Always make CSI, and am typically top in sales out of the 8 dealers they have. I'd have no problems finding a job but I am loyal to a point. So I might be following a very similar suit as yourself.

 

[mrjminer]

so I put in my notice via email (i work remotely). and got blasted by my old boss for being unprofessional and not turning it in person. He works 2500 miles from me, how is that feasible?

Sounds like they aren't going to give you any kind of recommendations or anything anyways. Tell them it's pretty unprofessional to give an entire department or team unfair performance reviews without any recourse. Then, I'd tell him to go fuck himself and just enjoy the week off. I'm sometimes a dick, though.

His response confirms that you made the right decision.

 

[RedArmy]

so I put in my notice via email (i work remotely). and got blasted by my old boss for being unprofessional and not turning it in person. He works 2500 miles from me, how is that feasible?

How does your old boss factor in to putting in your one week notice? I thought you said he was fired and replaced by someone new?

 

[mrjminer]

How does your old boss factor in to putting in your one week notice? I thought you said he was fired and replaced by someone new?

Guessing he means his boss before his one that got fired

 

[HybridSquirrel]

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What is your pay structure like? The new place has an amazing base salary but the commission rates aren't as good. Should still make more than I make now (Chevy)

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Guessing he means his boss before his one that got fired

yes. my old boss got fired about 2 months ago.

 

[Bateluer]

Sound similar to my own current situation. Tell your current manager to eat a dick, politely, then take the new job.

Edit - Couple weeks later, send him a care package of homosexual sex toys from Fascinations anonymously.

 

[CurrentlyPissed]

What is your pay structure like? The new place has an amazing base salary but the commission rates aren't as good. Should still make more than I make now (Chevy)

It's about 2/3 salary, 1/3 commission.

Commision part is off P/L 1% base given 1% given for 100% sales, .5 % 1 month csi .5% 3 month csi.

 

[Blieb]

Weird ... usually bad reviews are used to set the stage to can people.

Sounds like the new job is a better opportunity and the extra hours you'll work were previously spent on the commute.