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Yahoo news---Waxman may be taking the gloves off

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Just in on yahoo news---Waxman is getting serious on using the subpoena.--link

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070421/ap_...rice;_ylt=Aizn3jMJcAYyUPsAf5XVVjLMWM0F

Which may result in that congress and white house clashing over executive privilege.
I may be speculating past known facts, but my guess is that Waxman's gun has a lot more than a single bullet in the cylinder--and once the Waxman hearing begin, there will be lots of questions and quite a wide variety of subjects.

I think GWB will find out what elides his administration--mere competentency.---with each little GWB snub likely backfiring big time.

And in related news---while a dearth of GOP congressmen or Senators out right call for Gonzales to resign---Alberto is now looking for GOP senators and congressmen to endorse him, and is having less luck than Diogenes.

 
Good old disaster, Bush. He destroyed America's reputation over seas and is now turning Americans against the justice department too. But the thing about a disaster is that it is a disaster.
 
Waxman wants to set perjury traps. Democrats are just thugs on this. I never even like Gonzales and hope he leaves. The Democrats are just looking more like the Inquistion and I like it even somewhat.
 
At least the Democrats have the Congressional numbers to back them up now.

:thumbsup:
 
Methinks its going to be the Moses strategy all over again---if a plague of frog's don't do it---another plague will.---even dyslexic learning challenged dogs respond to that kind of training. At a minimum the message will be---let your people go.---and then they can wonder the wilderness of disredited land forever for all we care.

And that will be the first of 10 commandments---thou shalt not retain Gonzales---or honor his lack of reading comprehension.---so it is written--so shalt it be done.
 
Butterbean

Waxman wants to set perjury traps
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LOL.....even a first grader can probably tell you that the best way to not get in trouble for lying is to tell the truth.

I realize that this might be alien concept for some government officials, but perhaps they could give it a try.
 
I'm still wondering when this congress will pass a bill. They've been in for over 100 days and nothing (at least, nothing of substance) has passed through both house and senate. They could at least try to get around to the budget, but that might cut into their politicking time. :roll:
 
Telling the truth is one thing - being able to remember every little detail is another matter. Nobody has perfect recall and fudging some trifle is all the Waxman's look for.
 
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Telling the truth is one thing - being able to remember every little detail is another matter. Nobody has perfect recall and fudging some trifle is all the Waxman's look for.
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Bullcrap. With something as serious as potentially breaking the law you remember it. Why? Because you had to make a decision and that decision sticks with you for a while. I make them every day and I remember them very well.

 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm still wondering when this congress will pass a bill. They've been in for over 100 days and nothing (at least, nothing of substance) has passed through both house and senate. They could at least try to get around to the budget, but that might cut into their politicking time. :roll:
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Ohh poor Cyclowizard, so predictable. Predictable in that I knew what you were going to type before you wrote it, and predictable that you wouldn't know what you were talking about. So I browsed around for major legislation passed by previous Congresses... and the approximate pace that it took place (and this is with a friendly president for the last few) and amazingly enough the pace of significant legislation is nearly exactly the same. Were the other congresses caught up with partisan politicking too? If you want to attack the Democrats (as I know you desperately do) please at least attack them on one of the many issues where you could do so and not look like an idiot.
 
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Waxman wants to set perjury traps. Democrats are just thugs on this. I never even like Gonzales and hope he leaves. The Democrats are just looking more like the Inquistion and I like it even somewhat.
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And I hope he succeeds and gets rid of the scumbags filling many posts in Wash DC.



 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Ohh poor Cyclowizard, so predictable. Predictable in that I knew what you were going to type before you wrote it, and predictable that you wouldn't know what you were talking about. So I browsed around for major legislation passed by previous Congresses... and the approximate pace that it took place (and this is with a friendly president for the last few) and amazingly enough the pace of significant legislation is nearly exactly the same. Were the other congresses caught up with partisan politicking too? If you want to attack the Democrats (as I know you desperately do) please at least attack them on one of the many issues where you could do so and not look like an idiot.
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Maybe you can back up your claim with a little evidence? Then again, probably not. If previous congresses had passed zero substantial legislation over their reign (which is implied by your statement, since the rate of legislation in this case is zero, ergo the sum of all legislation is also zero given the initial condition of zero bills passed), then we would live in anarchy. I have no doubt that the previous congresses also engaged in politicking, but they also did their job, even if only occasionally, especially when it came to carrying out their feel-good campaign promises that this congress has punted on. Of course, I never mentioned Democrats, yet you assume that I'm simply attacking them because that would allow you to bin me in with all the other extreme righties on this board. Unfortunately for you, I have no love for the R's either. They are obstructing some of this legislation in the senate and are, therefore, at least partially to blame. If the D's weren't so weak, they would be able to overcome this and at least pass their beloved 100 hours' worth of legislation.
 
So far congress seems more intent on investigating Bush and passing non-binding resolutions than anything else.
So far the Senate has been worthless and has not passed one bill. That is most likely due to the fact that Democrats have a 1 vote margin in the Senate right now.

I don?t think things are going to change in the next two years and this congress will go down in history as the congress that investigates, but does not pass laws.
 
Mr. Moonbeam----is that wine---or whine you are talking about. Seems we have no shortage of whine from the GWB apologists when talking about them mean ole democrats actually expecting accountability.

Whine never improves with age.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Ohh poor Cyclowizard, so predictable. Predictable in that I knew what you were going to type before you wrote it, and predictable that you wouldn't know what you were talking about. So I browsed around for major legislation passed by previous Congresses... and the approximate pace that it took place (and this is with a friendly president for the last few) and amazingly enough the pace of significant legislation is nearly exactly the same. Were the other congresses caught up with partisan politicking too? If you want to attack the Democrats (as I know you desperately do) please at least attack them on one of the many issues where you could do so and not look like an idiot.
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Maybe you can back up your claim with a little evidence? Then again, probably not. If previous congresses had passed zero substantial legislation over their reign (which is implied by your statement, since the rate of legislation in this case is zero, ergo the sum of all legislation is also zero given the initial condition of zero bills passed), then we would live in anarchy. I have no doubt that the previous congresses also engaged in politicking, but they also did their job, even if only occasionally, especially when it came to carrying out their feel-good campaign promises that this congress has punted on. Of course, I never mentioned Democrats, yet you assume that I'm simply attacking them because that would allow you to bin me in with all the other extreme righties on this board. Unfortunately for you, I have no love for the R's either. They are obstructing some of this legislation in the senate and are, therefore, at least partially to blame. If the D's weren't so weak, they would be able to overcome this and at least pass their beloved 100 hours' worth of legislation.
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The only reason they're "weak" is because they only have razor-thin majorities. Not to mention the Senate takes FOREVER to pass legislation. Still, the Dems have managed to renew debate on what I consider important issues - minimum wage, stem cell research, implementing ALL of the 9/11 commission recommendations and of course slowly ratcheting up the pressure on Bush to end the war in Iraq. First with a vote of no-confidence in W and now a time line to wind down operations.

Not to mention that finally the executive branch is properly being checked by Congress. Team Bush had 6 years of unchecked and expanding power and finally that's being put back in its place.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What happened to all the Democrats who complained about endless investigations of Clinton?
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If Bush got a BJ from Harriet Miers <shudder> and Congress opened an investigation over it - I'd complain about that too.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What happened to all the Democrats who complained about endless investigations of Clinton?
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Maybe the republicans Back during the Clinton terms Got the democrats Addicted to investigations. Its A drug. Then the Poor addicted democrats had to go through six years of withdraw.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So far congress seems more intent on investigating Bush and passing non-binding resolutions than anything else.
So far the Senate has been worthless and has not passed one bill. That is most likely due to the fact that Democrats have a 1 vote margin in the Senate right now.

I don?t think things are going to change in the next two years and this congress will go down in history as the congress that investigates, but does not pass laws.
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So, let's say Bush has stepped far over the bounds of even political expediency and has violated the Constitution and otherwise done things of questionable moral value.... this should not be investigated? What makes you so certain that investigation isn't the best course of action right now? First, you've already admitted the dem's razor thin margin in the senate is the reason nothing will get passed. Second, the american governmental system was DESIGNED to be slow due to CHECKS AND BALANCES. THe right wing pining for the unitary executive cannot undermine what 3 founders explicitly stated in the federalist papers. Third, congress was given investigatory powers to curtail misbehavior by the executive branch. What makes you so certain it is not an important part of a functioning democracy?

 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What happened to all the Democrats who complained about endless investigations of Clinton?
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What happened to all the Republicans willing to investigate any and all claims of wrongdoing? 😛
 
I don't think the American people will have to worry about this congress passing the various bills needed to keep the country running. And in fact when the history of this congress is written, its extremely unlikely the following will be the conclusion-------I don?t think things are going to change in the next two years and this congress will go down in history as the congress that investigates, but does not pass laws.

Its more likely to be that this congress will pass the bills and Bush will veto them.---------and that will be the legacy of GWB---a divider and not a uniter.

As for the investigations---there is the little matter of a six year backlog--------------covering up a long history of GWB&co. bungling---and I dare say many may turn from the merely dubious ethical and jump the broom into the clearly criminal. And I observe something else---the GOP was investigating many things basically made up out of whole cloth by other GOP swift boat types---and found nothing that would stick----and hate to break it to you non-Prof John----the dems are not incompetent like GWB&co.----they are finding very real things
and its just the tip of a very rotten iceberg--------just wait until it turns into finding the CRIMINAL deeds of GWB&co.

Just don't count on your backward Bush watch---and quit listening to Rush Limbaugh----Rush will rot your mind----and it shows in every word you type,
non-Prof John------think for yourself for a change.


 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The only reason they're "weak" is because they only have razor-thin majorities. Not to mention the Senate takes FOREVER to pass legislation. Still, the Dems have managed to renew debate on what I consider important issues - minimum wage, stem cell research, implementing ALL of the 9/11 commission recommendations and of course slowly ratcheting up the pressure on Bush to end the war in Iraq. First with a vote of no-confidence in W and now a time line to wind down operations.

Not to mention that finally the executive branch is properly being checked by Congress. Team Bush had 6 years of unchecked and expanding power and finally that's being put back in its place.
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A majority is a majority is a majority. I want results, not excuses. Unfortunately, neither side seems to want to deliver the results that the people actually want.

As far as the things you listed, all of them are farce. The recommendations of the 9/11 comission are useless, embryonic stem cell research is not even a real issue - just a political football - and raising minimum wage is just plain stupid according to any economist I've ever talked to. But hey - I'd almost be happy if they passed any one of these things just so I could feel like I got a little bang for my buck instead of a bunch of overpaid idiots patting each other on the back on their way to the bank to cash my income tax check.
 
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