YAHCT: Remember when obama promised us we could keep our own insurance?

[rudder]

He was wrong. Well sort of. He likely just told a half truth knowing it was a lie. Yes you can keep your current health insurance... what obama did not say was that due to obamacare... your employer will likely not be able to offer the same plan that you like so much...

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAna...aul-Probably-Not-Govt-Analysis-Concludes.aspx

Of course we could not find out about this until the bill passed.

Stay tuned for more fud from the healthcare bill known as obamacare.

 

[Patranus]

Actually no one can keep their insurance as EVERY policy must be re written to conform to the new regulations.

So its not half lie, it is a bold-faced lie.

 

[Cuda1447]

Our President is a fucking douche bag liar. Everyone knows this.

 

[Fear No Evil]

He also said he would close Gitmo.. and bring our troops home.. and bring transparency to the government.. Liar? I don't think that word quite covers it.

 

[theeedude]

The whole you can keep your insurance if you like it was never true to begin with. I had my insurance change many times even working for same company, one day it's United, then it's CIGNA, then it's GreatWestern. This is under Bush. Noone asked me if I'd like to keep the insurance I had.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The whole you can keep your insurance if you like it was never true to begin with. I had my insurance change many times even working for same company, one day it's United, then it's CIGNA, then it's GreatWestern. This is under Bush. Noone asked me if I'd like to keep the insurance I had.

Stop apologizing please. He lied and you know it, but thanks for bringing up Bush!

 

[rudder]

The whole you can keep your insurance if you like it was never true to begin with. I had my insurance change many times even working for same company, one day it's United, then it's CIGNA, then it's GreatWestern. This is under Bush. Noone asked me if I'd like to keep the insurance I had.

That was the company you were working for trying to save you money. And guess what... you could have gotten your own insurance and kept the same one. This isn't the same thing. I know you refuse to believe that obama shits stinkless turds... but I am going to have to be the bearer of bad news my man...

 

[Fear No Evil]

That was the company you were working for trying to save you money. And guess what... you could have gotten your own insurance and kept the same one. This isn't the same thing. I know you refuse to believe that obama shits stinkless turds... but I am going to have to be the bearer of bad news my man...

Even Chuck Norris bows to Obama.

 

[child of wonder]

Not that I agree with the new Health Care Bill, but it's not like things were sustainable had nothing been done.

In another 20 years we'd all be paying $50 co-pays, $5,000 Ind/$10,000 Family deductibles, and 30% after that with premiums about 50% higher. This new bill may be a catastrophe, but at least an attempt is being made at reform rather than shutting our eyes, plugging our ears, and saying everything is just fine the way it is.

 

[shira]

You righties are just morons. What a surprise. Maybe you should learn to read:

However, the source conceded: "It is difficult to predict how plans and employers will behave in the coming years, but if plans make changes that negatively impact consumers, then they will lose their grandfather status."

So the key is, if your employer changes your plan and makes it worse - meaning that you no longer have the plan you have now anyway - then the employer will be required to provide a plan that meets the minimum standard defined by the government.

So blame Obama if your employer changes your plan. That makes total sense.

 

[ProfJohn]

Not that I agree with the new Health Care Bill, but it's not like things were sustainable had nothing been done.

In another 20 years we'd all be paying $50 co-pays, $5,000 Ind/$10,000 Family deductibles, and 30% after that with premiums about 50% higher. This new bill may be a catastrophe, but at least an attempt is being made at reform rather than shutting our eyes, plugging our ears, and saying everything is just fine the way it is.

Yea an attempt was made and it was a failure.

They didn't even address the biggest problem with healthcare which is costs. Nothing in the bill will control costs. All they did was add a whole bunch of people to the healthcare rolls under the belief that by increasing the risk poll we would lower individual costs. And Mass has shown us that this strategy does not work.

 

[child of wonder]

Yea an attempt was made and it was a failure.

They didn't even address the biggest problem with healthcare which is costs. Nothing in the bill will control costs. All they did was add a whole bunch of people to the healthcare rolls under the belief that by increasing the risk poll we would lower individual costs. And Mass has shown us that this strategy does not work.

We don't know if it will be a failure or not. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.

My gut tells me that it's going to take many years and revisions before we have a system in place that works and most people are happy with.

 

[dmcowen674]

Our President is a fucking douche bag liar. Everyone knows this.

and as long as he keeps pissing you Republicans off he is a Messiah :thumbsup:

 

[CycloWizard]

We don't know if it will be a failure or not.

I know that it is already a failure. Time will only expand this failure to epic levels. The only ways you could possibly not know that this bill is a failure are as follows:
1. you haven't read/understood any of the fundamental changes which the bill brings about;
2. you don't understand anything about healthcare delivery or economics in general; or
3. you are so blindly partisan that you think anything the current government passes is good, regardless of the facts.

 

[Fear No Evil]

and as long as he keeps pissing you Republicans off he is a Messiah :thumbsup:

At least we don't have to sign a form to buy vinegar.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
and as long as he keeps pissing you Republicans off he is a Messiah

whata fantastic quote!!!!

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

Not that I agree with the new Health Care Bill, but it's not like things were sustainable had nothing been done.

In another 20 years we'd all be paying $50 co-pays, $5,000 Ind/$10,000 Family deductibles, and 30% after that with premiums about 50% higher. This new bill may be a catastrophe, but at least an attempt is being made at reform rather than shutting our eyes, plugging our ears, and saying everything is just fine the way it is.

Everything that was wrong with our health care system before obamacare was the fault of the government. Every stupid little restriction just made it worse. Closing our eyes and saying it was just fine was working great.

 

[BoberFett]

I like our current insurance. We have a high deductible plan with an HSA funded by her employer. I'm sure that'll go the way of the dodo because we're not paying our fair share. And by fair share I mean paying in shitloads of money to a corrupt system to make sure every senior gets their free scooter.

 

[theeedude]

That was the company you were working for trying to save you money. And guess what... you could have gotten your own insurance and kept the same one. This isn't the same thing. I know you refuse to believe that obama shits stinkless turds... but I am going to have to be the bearer of bad news my man...

Really, if you get your own insurance, it's terms cannot be changed next time you go to renew? Learn something new every day.

 

[Jhhnn]

You righties are just morons. What a surprise. Maybe you should learn to read:



So the key is, if your employer changes your plan and makes it worse - meaning that you no longer have the plan you have now anyway - then the employer will be required to provide a plan that meets the minimum standard defined by the government.

So blame Obama if your employer changes your plan. That makes total sense.

There ya go again, thinking with the big head instead of the little one...

Outrage among righties keeps them from thinking very well, so their leadership makes sure there's plenty generated...

 

[rudder]

Really, if you get your own insurance, it's terms cannot be changed next time you go to renew? Learn something new every day.

Give up. I appreciate you posting in my thread as this is the purpose of the Politics & News forums... to engage in a lively debate. However, you bring a ridiculous argument to the table which has nothing to do with the subject. Your company switching insurance providers IS NOT the same as your employer not being able to provide any insurance or one that is completely different because of the regulations imposed by obamacare.

Personally I would rather have dmmcowen674 post in here saying he loves the messiah because he pisses of republicans. At least he understands he is an idiot... where you simply have no clue.

 

[rudder]

You righties are just morons. What a surprise. Maybe you should learn to read:



So the key is, if your employer changes your plan and makes it worse - meaning that you no longer have the plan you have now anyway - then the employer will be required to provide a plan that meets the minimum standard defined by the government.

So blame Obama if your employer changes your plan. That makes total sense.

So genius.... what happens when these mandated changes create plans that are no longer affordable to the businesses that provide them to their employees?

Small business owners (yes the ones that employ most Americans) will be hit the hardest.

But hey... change is good right?

 

[nick1985]

So blame Obama if your employer changes your plan.

Can we blame Obama when our employer can no longer afford to offer insurance due to this new bill and drops all of us?

 

[soulcougher73]

Our President is a fucking douche bag liar. Everyone knows this.

I think this applies to EVERY predident weve ever had. So to single out Obama as the only one is kind of lame.

 

[child of wonder]

I know that it is already a failure. Time will only expand this failure to epic levels. The only ways you could possibly not know that this bill is a failure are as follows:
1. you haven't read/understood any of the fundamental changes which the bill brings about;
2. you don't understand anything about healthcare delivery or economics in general; or
3. you are so blindly partisan that you think anything the current government passes is good, regardless of the facts.

4. There are so many variables and intangibles involved with reforming a system so massive and that affects so many people with so many pundits, experts, and politicians offering studies and reports screaming the bill is either the worst idea in the history of mankind or is exactly the reform we need leaves one unsure of the outcome.

#3 amuses me, however. Clearly since I'm not stomping my feet and declaring the bill to be the bane of all human existence I am a partisan hack.