YAGunT: Should Fed/states track the serial # of guns?

[schneiderguy]

yes it does

Yeah the 17th definition :hmm:

If they meant "bear" to mean "to possess", then why did they put "keep" also?

 

[guyver01]

Yeah the 17th definition :hmm:

If they meant "bear" to mean "to possess", then why did they put "keep" also?

you can possess something temporarily.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

i've read it argued too that the part people keep missing, the "A well regulated militia being necessary " part, indicated that they intended for this to be applicable for people to be able to possess arms as part of a militia... Not for people to wander the streets with a gun, but to have it as part of their militia duty.. incase they're called for duty.. and not have to run to an armory to get their weapon first.

 

[schneiderguy]

i've read it argued too that the part people keep missing, the "A well regulated militia being necessary " part, indicated that they intended for this to be applicable for people to be able to possess arms as part of a militia... Not for people to wander the streets with a gun, but to have it as part of their militia duty.. incase they're called for duty.. and not have to run to an armory to get their weapon first.

The Supreme Court ruled in Heller v. DC that participation in a militia wasn't necessary to have the right to keep and bear arms. The right belongs to the people, not to the militia.

 

[HAL9000]

The intent of it doesn't matter, it doesn't say "the right to keep and bear arms for a violent revolution". It just says, "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" and somehow people take this to mean "YOU CAN'T HAVE GUNS" :hmm:

But if you can have guns where's the issue?

The thing doesn't say "The right to bear arms as you walk down the street shall not be infringed" or "the right to bear arms wherever you are..."

 

[boomhower]

No, just for the simple fact it will increase costs and will do nothing to keep them out of thugs hands. No tin foil hat, there just isn't any need to do it.

 

[irishScott]

you can possess something temporarily.


i've read it argued too that the part people keep missing, the "A well regulated militia being necessary " part, indicated that they intended for this to be applicable for people to be able to possess arms as part of a militia... Not for people to wander the streets with a gun, but to have it as part of their militia duty.. incase they're called for duty.. and not have to run to an armory to get their weapon first.

Penn and Teller explain it nicely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GNu7ldL1LM

 

[Nebor]

No, just for the simple fact it will increase costs and will do nothing to keep them out of thugs hands. No tin foil hat, there just isn't any need to do it.

For reals. Canada launched a huge registration system only to find that it was bloated, over budget, and ineffective at either tracking down guns or lowering crime. The only reason it didn't get dismantled is because people made the argument, "Well, we already put all this money into it..."

Also, every society that ever banned guns set up a registry prior to doing so.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Cars are tracked, and i don't hear any rumblings about them taking away cars.

No, cars are not tracked. If I buy a car and never use it on the roads, only using it on private property, I never have to register the car.

In fact, both guns and cars are already tracked in exactly the same way. If you want to use your car on public roads, you have to license it. If you want to use your car on private property, you never have to title it at all. If you want to be able to carry your firearm with you, you need a license. If you want to just keep your firearm on your private property, you don't.

Additionally, firearm registration is required in Hawaii, Chicago, and Washington D.C. Guess how many times registration has actually been used to find a criminal. If you guessed "never", you'd be right. It's a waste of money that doesn't catch criminals.

ZV