YAGunT: Should Fed/states track the serial # of guns?

[guyver01]

Gotcha, but surely if this is in the constitution or some such... Then shouldn't it apply to all free men?

The only thing in the constitution is what is in the 2nd amendment.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Interpretation of that is up to the Supreme Court and other Laws of the Land.

As the constitution is a living breathing document, it is constantly being modified.

 

[Bignate603]

Makes sense to me, it would be a lot easier if your gun ever gets stolen and it then ultimately turns up in a shop somewhere etc. I see no downsides...

Besides increased paper work, costs, and no real added control over distribution of guns?

 

[Pegun]

Really?

Cars are tracked, and i don't hear any rumblings about them taking away cars.

Because cars are not portrayed by significant numbers of law makers as deadly and a tool used only for killing.

 

[hdfxst]

Makes sense to me, it would be a lot easier if your gun ever gets stolen and it then ultimately turns up in a shop somewhere etc. I see no downsides...

I keep track of my own guns the serial numbers are kept in a safe place in case they are stolen or the house burns down.the insurance company knows the value of my guns but they dont have the serial numbers

 

[GaryJohnson]

Besides increased paper work, costs, and no real added control over distribution of guns?

I can't see how it would increase the paper work or costs because they already collect and process all that information for NICS.

 

[guyver01]

Because cars are not portrayed by significant numbers of law makers as deadly and a tool used only for killing.

:hmm:

You know of any other use for a gun?

Please don't be one of those people who use it as a hammer

 

[HAL9000]

The only thing in the constitution is what is in the 2nd amendment.



Interpretation of that is up to the Supreme Court and other Laws of the Land.

As the constitution is a living breathing document, it is constantly being modified.

Righto. It's amazing how a few words written on a piece of paper two hundred years ago can have such a monolithic effect on things.

Besides increased paper work, costs, and no real added control over distribution of guns?

True, but it would also be handy (I imagine) to find out who owns a gun used in a shooting, when the weapon is recovered.

I keep track of my own guns the serial numbers are kept in a safe place in case they are stolen or the house burns down.the insurance company knows the value of my guns but they dont have the serial numbers

Good thinking batman, I do much the same with computers and phones etc.

 

[CRXican]

they do this in CA

 

[schneiderguy]

No, because Canada did it and it cost them billions of dollars and hasn't help solve a single crime.

People with legally owned guns are NOT the ones committing crimes with their guns a large majority of the time.

 

[schneiderguy]

they do this in CA

For handguns.

 

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[sdifox]

No, because Canada did it and it cost them billions of dollars and hasn't help solve a single crime.

People with legally owned guns are NOT the ones committing crimes with their guns a large majority of the time.

The net annual operating cost of the program is reported to be $66.4 million for the 2010-2011 fiscal year.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry

 

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[Bignate603]

I can't see how it would increase the paper work or costs because they already collect and process all that information for NICS.

Running a check on a person is one thing, when they already have the information input and the system can just report back yes or no. Adding on the requirement to record the sale of the weapon, information to identify the weapon, and then to keep the system updated enough to be useful (ie track private party sales, thefts, gifts between family members, etc) would be a significant increase in the amount of work.

True, but it would also be handy (I imagine) to find out who owns a gun used in a shooting, when the weapon is recovered.

Then you would imagine incorrectly. Serial numbers can be removed, guns can be stolen or bought illegally. This would only harm the people following the law and would not really affect people that are trying to break it.

 

[HAL9000]

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Then you would imagine incorrectly. Serial numbers can be removed, guns can be stolen or bought illegally. This would only harm the people following the law and would not really affect people that are trying to break it.

Out of curiosity how would it harm them? Other than being a slight inconvenience for having to fill out the paperwork.

 

[schneiderguy]

Out of curiosity how would it harm them? Other than being a slight inconvenience for having to fill out the paperwork.

I don't want the government knowing how many guns I have.

 

[HAL9000]

I don't want the government knowing how many guns I have.

Hah, OK but other than paranoia, how would it hurt you?

 

[Bignate603]

Out of curiosity how would it harm them? Other than being a slight inconvenience for having to fill out the paperwork.

For one, cost. An example is the Canadian system, which costs $60 - $80 every 5 years. Then the $60 million it costs the tax payers.
Second, government paperwork typically isn't a slight inconvenience. Especially when it has to be redone every single time the gun legally changes hands.

You might view it as a "slight" inconvenience or cost, but if there's no benefit at all any added inconvenience or cost is too much. They should only add regulations or costs when it actually accomplishes something.

 

[schneiderguy]

Hah, OK but other than paranoia, how would it hurt you?

Yes. If guns were registered every gun would have to go through an FFL (person with a firearms license). Right now that isn't the case.

Doing a transfer at an FFL = time + money.

 

[HAL9000]

For one, cost. An example is the Canadian system, which costs $60 - $80 every 5 years. Then the $60 million it costs the tax payers.
Second, government paperwork typically isn't a slight inconvenience. Especially when it has to be redone every single time the gun legally changes hands.

You might view it as a "slight" inconvenience or cost, but if there's no benefit at all any added inconvenience or cost is too much. They should only add regulations or costs when it actually accomplishes something.

Fair enough I hadn't considered the practical implications such as paper work / money etc. I just thought about the theory.

 

[HAL9000]

Yes. If guns were registered every gun would have to go through an FFL (person with a firearms license). Right now that isn't the case.

Doing a transfer at an FFL = time + money.

I don't get it, you mean at the moment people can buy / sell guns without any kind of licence to do so?

 

[guyver01]

I don't get it, you mean at the moment people can buy / sell guns without any kind of licence to do so?

Google is your friend.

Antique guns made in or before 1898 ("pre-1899") are generally outside of Federal jurisdiction, and may be bought and sold across state lines without a FFL.

 

[HAL9000]

Google is your friend.

Antique guns made in or before 1898 ("pre-1899") are generally outside of Federal jurisdiction, and may be bought and sold across state lines without a FFL.

Understood, well in all fairness those guns probably wouldn't be subject to this proposed system as they don't carry any universally recognisable serial numbers do they?

 

[schneiderguy]

I don't get it, you mean at the moment people can buy / sell guns without any kind of licence to do so?

You're allowed to sell guns to a private party without going through an FFL in most states (this is the "gun show loophole" you hear about in the news). You just verify that they're a resident of your state and old enough to purchase a firearm by taking a look at their driver's license.

When you go to a gun store they have a FFL which makes they're licensed to sell guns & will make you go through a background check and stuff to buy your gun.

 

[guyver01]

Understood, well in all fairness those guns probably wouldn't be subject to this proposed system as they don't carry any universally recognisable serial numbers do they?

they do very much have serial numbers.

they're just considered antiques