YAGT: My fault that she didn't arrange a ride home

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
Unfortunately, she's decided to use this event to "train" you. Which in itself isn't a bad thing, we all do it to our significant others. But usually for a better reason than this.

If you apologize and say that she was right, you'll set a precedent that you're not going to like very much. Hold firm on this one, even if it means a breakup.

Yeah real good advice:roll:

I think it's good advice.

Me too, either that or he decides never to do anything that could impair his ability to operate a car without her say so. :roll:

Could he possibly have been a little more helpful? Yes, though it doesn't sound like she gave him much of a chance and is blowing this totally out of proportion.

Well thank god there's ATOT where he can come a whine about it. At least it saves his poor friends from having the listen to him.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Hold up a minute,you were too drunk to give her a ride but were planning on going over
for to spend the night later?

I wasn't drunk at the time. I had stopped drinking. I just don't like driving with alcohol in my system. I was going to drive over there in an hour or so once I was sober.

ya, i have a problem with this too. I don't see how the hour or so between when you should have picked her up and when you planned on visiting makes any difference. If you respected her, and wanted to be with her, you would have picked her up. Just admit it to yourself, and move on, I suppose.

1 hour can mean the difference between nothing happening or a license revocation and thousands of dollars in attorney fees.

ie: he couldn't be bothered with picking her up,but when he was done drinking and socializing he'd have driven over there to let her suck him off.

Wow are you nuts?

I was eating dinner with my roomate. I had stopped drinking. When I had sobered up completely, I was going to come over.

That is it.

Don't you realise how that sounds?

oh,walk home honey,if I'm sober later I'll come over... that sounds horrible,you should have simply cancelled the entire evening.

"I get a call from her at about 8:30. I had been home with my roomate--we had made spaghetti and we were both drinking wine. I wasn't drunk, but I had had too much to drive. "


Read this part again. She called after he had already been drinking.

ok... and at that point he should have simply told her he'd had too much to drink and cancelled their plans for the entire evening.

He tells her to walk home in the dark but also said when he sobered up he still planned
on swinging by her place to spend the night.

Sorry but that sounds really crappy.

You're twisting my words.

And why would I not come over later if I was going to be sober enough to? Why cancel an entire evening just because I couldn't drive at that exact moment?

lol,let me translate that for you....


I'm not sober enough to drive to help you now... but in a couple hours I will be sober enough to drive over to help myself to a piece of ass.

Sorry son but that's exactly how that sounds.

I'm not your son.

What don't you understand about alcohol? I couldn't drive then, but I could drive over later. This was the plan all day long--I did NOT "change plans" by drinking.

She's saying it sounds like:

"You know what, I don't feel like picking you up right now. I'm... er... DRUNK that's it. But in an hour or so I'll come over and we can have sex "

Obviously a huge misinterpretation. Most women read too much into what people say.

Living with a Sister and being primarily raised by your mother teaches you these things

 

[James Bond]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Hold up a minute,you were too drunk to give her a ride but were planning on going over
for to spend the night later?

I wasn't drunk at the time. I had stopped drinking. I just don't like driving with alcohol in my system. I was going to drive over there in an hour or so once I was sober.

ya, i have a problem with this too. I don't see how the hour or so between when you should have picked her up and when you planned on visiting makes any difference. If you respected her, and wanted to be with her, you would have picked her up. Just admit it to yourself, and move on, I suppose.

1 hour can mean the difference between nothing happening or a license revocation and thousands of dollars in attorney fees.

ie: he couldn't be bothered with picking her up,but when he was done drinking and socializing he'd have driven over there to let her suck him off.

Wow are you nuts?

I was eating dinner with my roomate. I had stopped drinking. When I had sobered up completely, I was going to come over.

That is it.

Don't you realise how that sounds?

oh,walk home honey,if I'm sober later I'll come over... that sounds horrible,you should have simply cancelled the entire evening.

"I get a call from her at about 8:30. I had been home with my roomate--we had made spaghetti and we were both drinking wine. I wasn't drunk, but I had had too much to drive. "


Read this part again. She called after he had already been drinking.

ok... and at that point he should have simply told her he'd had too much to drink and cancelled their plans for the entire evening.

He tells her to walk home in the dark but also said when he sobered up he still planned
on swinging by her place to spend the night.

Sorry but that sounds really crappy.

You're twisting my words.

And why would I not come over later if I was going to be sober enough to? Why cancel an entire evening just because I couldn't drive at that exact moment?

lol,let me translate that for you....


I'm not sober enough to drive to help you now... but in a couple hours I will be sober enough to drive over to help myself to a piece of ass.

Sorry son but that's exactly how that sounds.

I'm not your son.

What don't you understand about alcohol? I couldn't drive then, but I could drive over later. This was the plan all day long--I did NOT "change plans" by drinking.

She called you needing your help..you're too drunk to help her but later,you're gonna magically be just fine?


You did her a favor by dumping her.

That is not magic, that is the body sobering up.

Are you saying I should have driven drunk?

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Hold up a minute,you were too drunk to give her a ride but were planning on going over
for to spend the night later?

I wasn't drunk at the time. I had stopped drinking. I just don't like driving with alcohol in my system. I was going to drive over there in an hour or so once I was sober.

ya, i have a problem with this too. I don't see how the hour or so between when you should have picked her up and when you planned on visiting makes any difference. If you respected her, and wanted to be with her, you would have picked her up. Just admit it to yourself, and move on, I suppose.

1 hour can mean the difference between nothing happening or a license revocation and thousands of dollars in attorney fees.

ie: he couldn't be bothered with picking her up,but when he was done drinking and socializing he'd have driven over there to let her suck him off.

Wow are you nuts?

I was eating dinner with my roomate. I had stopped drinking. When I had sobered up completely, I was going to come over.

That is it.

Don't you realise how that sounds?

oh,walk home honey,if I'm sober later I'll come over... that sounds horrible,you should have simply cancelled the entire evening.

"I get a call from her at about 8:30. I had been home with my roomate--we had made spaghetti and we were both drinking wine. I wasn't drunk, but I had had too much to drive. "


Read this part again. She called after he had already been drinking.

ok... and at that point he should have simply told her he'd had too much to drink and cancelled their plans for the entire evening.

He tells her to walk home in the dark but also said when he sobered up he still planned
on swinging by her place to spend the night.

Sorry but that sounds really crappy.

You're twisting my words.

And why would I not come over later if I was going to be sober enough to? Why cancel an entire evening just because I couldn't drive at that exact moment?

lol,let me translate that for you....


I'm not sober enough to drive to help you now... but in a couple hours I will be sober enough to drive over to help myself to a piece of ass.

Sorry son but that's exactly how that sounds.

I'm not your son.

What don't you understand about alcohol? I couldn't drive then, but I could drive over later. This was the plan all day long--I did NOT "change plans" by drinking.

She called you needing your help..you're too drunk to help her but later,you're gonna magically be just fine?


You did her a favor by dumping her.

That is not magic, that is the body sobering up.

Are you saying I should have driven drunk?

see my post.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
Unfortunately, she's decided to use this event to "train" you. Which in itself isn't a bad thing, we all do it to our significant others. But usually for a better reason than this.

If you apologize and say that she was right, you'll set a precedent that you're not going to like very much. Hold firm on this one, even if it means a breakup.

Yeah real good advice :roll:

I think it's good advice.

It is. While it's a squeamish subject, the fact of the matter is that if she can continuously nudge you in the direction of becoming her indentured servant, she will. (Ditto for guys doing it to their girlfriends, it's not a gender thing.)

Realistically, you have to establish limits as to what you're willing to do for each other - it's great to cultivate the idea that you'll do anything for each other, but not becoming a doormat means that can't be completely true.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Hold up a minute,you were too drunk to give her a ride but were planning on going over
for to spend the night later?

I wasn't drunk at the time. I had stopped drinking. I just don't like driving with alcohol in my system. I was going to drive over there in an hour or so once I was sober.

ya, i have a problem with this too. I don't see how the hour or so between when you should have picked her up and when you planned on visiting makes any difference. If you respected her, and wanted to be with her, you would have picked her up. Just admit it to yourself, and move on, I suppose.

1 hour can mean the difference between nothing happening or a license revocation and thousands of dollars in attorney fees.

ie: he couldn't be bothered with picking her up,but when he was done drinking and socializing he'd have driven over there to let her suck him off.

Wow are you nuts?

I was eating dinner with my roomate. I had stopped drinking. When I had sobered up completely, I was going to come over.

That is it.

Don't you realise how that sounds?

oh,walk home honey,if I'm sober later I'll come over... that sounds horrible,you should have simply cancelled the entire evening.

"I get a call from her at about 8:30. I had been home with my roomate--we had made spaghetti and we were both drinking wine. I wasn't drunk, but I had had too much to drive. "


Read this part again. She called after he had already been drinking.

ok... and at that point he should have simply told her he'd had too much to drink and cancelled their plans for the entire evening.

He tells her to walk home in the dark but also said when he sobered up he still planned
on swinging by her place to spend the night.

Sorry but that sounds really crappy.

You're twisting my words.

And why would I not come over later if I was going to be sober enough to? Why cancel an entire evening just because I couldn't drive at that exact moment?

lol,let me translate that for you....


I'm not sober enough to drive to help you now... but in a couple hours I will be sober enough to drive over to help myself to a piece of ass.

Sorry son but that's exactly how that sounds.

I'm not your son.

What don't you understand about alcohol? I couldn't drive then, but I could drive over later. This was the plan all day long--I did NOT "change plans" by drinking.

She called you needing your help..you're too drunk to help her but later,you're gonna magically be just fine?


You did her a favor by dumping her.

That is not magic, that is the body sobering up.

Are you saying I should have driven drunk?

What I'm saying is thjis... a good woman will give you an occasional get out of jail free card,telling her you were too drunk to drive was fine..and was responsible,you should have just apologised and cancelled the entire evening though,asking her for a rain check..the way you did it makes it look like you think she's some sort of cheap booty call,the woman is really offended,trust me on this one.

 

[ryan256]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: zinfamous
1 hour can mean the difference between nothing happening or a license revocation and thousands of dollars in attorney fees.

ie: he couldn't be bothered with picking her up,but when he was done drinking and socializing he'd have driven over there to let her suck him off.

Wow are you nuts?

I was eating dinner with my roomate. I had stopped drinking. When I had sobered up completely, I was going to come over.

That is it.

Don't you realise how that sounds?

oh,walk home honey,if I'm sober later I'll come over... that sounds horrible,you should have simply cancelled the entire evening.

Sounds shmounds.
"I'm sorry dear. But I'm too drunk to drive right now. In 2 hours I'll have sobered up enough to come get you then or I can just meet you at your place if you'd like to spend some time this evening."

Any woman so selfish as to not see this logic is not worth being with.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
Unfortunately, she's decided to use this event to "train" you. Which in itself isn't a bad thing, we all do it to our significant others. But usually for a better reason than this.

If you apologize and say that she was right, you'll set a precedent that you're not going to like very much. Hold firm on this one, even if it means a breakup.

Yeah real good advice:roll:

I think it's good advice.

Me too, either that or he decides never to do anything that could impair his ability to operate a car without her say so. :roll:

Could he possibly have been a little more helpful? Yes, though it doesn't sound like she gave him much of a chance and is blowing this totally out of proportion.

He'd have been MUCH better off if he'd simply apologised,stated he'd had too much to drink to drive safely and cancelled the entire evening.

Going by what the OP said, they planned to get together later (when whatever alcohol he had consumed at dinner would be out of his system). She never told him that she would require a ride from the gym. She simply assumed that he would not be indisposed at that particular time. He planned according to the information he had at the time.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
Unfortunately, she's decided to use this event to "train" you. Which in itself isn't a bad thing, we all do it to our significant others. But usually for a better reason than this.

If you apologize and say that she was right, you'll set a precedent that you're not going to like very much. Hold firm on this one, even if it means a breakup.

Yeah real good advice :roll:

I think it's good advice.

It is. While it's a squeamish subject, the fact of the matter is that if she can continuously nudge you in the direction of becoming her indentured servant, she will. (Ditto for guys doing it to their girlfriends, it's not a gender thing.)

Realistically, you have to establish limits as to what you're willing to do for each other - it's great to cultivate the idea that you'll do anything for each other, but not becoming a doormat means that can't be completely true.

Yeah but while you are busy not becoming a doormat don't become an idiot also and that's what he was doing thinking that he could use the excuse he had to much to drink not to pick her up but it would be ok to come over later for some nookie. I don't think there is a woman out there with any self esteem that would go for that.

 

[James Bond]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Hold up a minute,you were too drunk to give her a ride but were planning on going over
for to spend the night later?

I wasn't drunk at the time. I had stopped drinking. I just don't like driving with alcohol in my system. I was going to drive over there in an hour or so once I was sober.

ya, i have a problem with this too. I don't see how the hour or so between when you should have picked her up and when you planned on visiting makes any difference. If you respected her, and wanted to be with her, you would have picked her up. Just admit it to yourself, and move on, I suppose.

1 hour can mean the difference between nothing happening or a license revocation and thousands of dollars in attorney fees.

ie: he couldn't be bothered with picking her up,but when he was done drinking and socializing he'd have driven over there to let her suck him off.

Wow are you nuts?

I was eating dinner with my roomate. I had stopped drinking. When I had sobered up completely, I was going to come over.

That is it.

Don't you realise how that sounds?

oh,walk home honey,if I'm sober later I'll come over... that sounds horrible,you should have simply cancelled the entire evening.

"I get a call from her at about 8:30. I had been home with my roomate--we had made spaghetti and we were both drinking wine. I wasn't drunk, but I had had too much to drive. "


Read this part again. She called after he had already been drinking.

ok... and at that point he should have simply told her he'd had too much to drink and cancelled their plans for the entire evening.

He tells her to walk home in the dark but also said when he sobered up he still planned
on swinging by her place to spend the night.

Sorry but that sounds really crappy.

You're twisting my words.

And why would I not come over later if I was going to be sober enough to? Why cancel an entire evening just because I couldn't drive at that exact moment?

lol,let me translate that for you....


I'm not sober enough to drive to help you now... but in a couple hours I will be sober enough to drive over to help myself to a piece of ass.

Sorry son but that's exactly how that sounds.

I'm not your son.

What don't you understand about alcohol? I couldn't drive then, but I could drive over later. This was the plan all day long--I did NOT "change plans" by drinking.

She called you needing your help..you're too drunk to help her but later,you're gonna magically be just fine?


You did her a favor by dumping her.

That is not magic, that is the body sobering up.

Are you saying I should have driven drunk?

What I'm saying is thjis... a good woman will give you an occasional get out of jaiul free card,telling her you were too drunk to drive was fine..and was responsible,you should havejust apologised and cancelled the entire evening though,asking her for a rain check..the way you did it majkes it look like youthink she's some sort of cheap booty call,the woman is really offended,trust me on this one.

I don't understand why I would cancel our original plans when I had no problem meeting them.

We had plans for me to come over at around 10. I had wine with dinner at 8, therefore, I'm not going to drive until 10, like planned.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Is your drinking a long standing issue between you two?

No, not at all. We drink together often, but it rarely causes issues.

That is not the root of the problem, if that is what you're asking.

That's pretty much why I was asking and the only reason why she could have been justified.

Originally posted by: Tizyler
Thanks for quick replies.

We are both 22. Today is my birthday (lol).

I am standing my ground on this one. I basically told her that if she honestly looks at the situation and finds it to be my fault then we need to see other people.

I told her that I can't be with someone who insists on scapegoating blame in every situation.

Believe it or not, this was going to be the exact advice I gave you.

 

[Kadarin]

After reading this thread, I tend to agree that the g/f was out of line. I also think Geekbabe is wrong.

The g/f should have been responsible enough to figure on how she was going to get home prior to her friend leaving. Secondly, when her b/f made the responsible decision to not drive while intoxicated, she should have been respectful of that. In this case, her actions indicate that everything is all about her.

 

[James Bond]

Why do some people have so much trouble understanding this concept:

Dinner with wine at 8PM.
Plans for me to come over at 10PM.

I drank at 8, but not so much that I would need to stay home all night. At the same time, I wasn't going to drive right after drinking.

This seems very clear cut to me.

 

[Pacfanweb]

You're doing the right thing. She's an idiot at this point, and obviously very immature.

I had a GF like this back when I was in my early 20's. Did that kind of stuff all the time. One time planned this big picnic in the middle of the week while I
was working, called me at work, like an hour before we were supposed to go and told me about it for the first time.

And then she was pissed and we about broke up because I couldn't get off work at a moment's notice, and it was my fault her big picnic didn't happen.

Yep, immature idiots happen at that age. And if she's this dumb now, she's not going to get much better as she ages.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
Unfortunately, she's decided to use this event to "train" you. Which in itself isn't a bad thing, we all do it to our significant others. But usually for a better reason than this.

If you apologize and say that she was right, you'll set a precedent that you're not going to like very much. Hold firm on this one, even if it means a breakup.

Yeah real good advice:roll:

I think it's good advice.

Me too, either that or he decides never to do anything that could impair his ability to operate a car without her say so. :roll:

Could he possibly have been a little more helpful? Yes, though it doesn't sound like she gave him much of a chance and is blowing this totally out of proportion.

He'd have been MUCH better off if he'd simply apologised,stated he'd had too much to drink to drive safely and cancelled the entire evening.

She changed plans, not him. Why should he have to cancel the evening?

Your viewpoint is warped, and it's funny that you had to go get RedDawn to back you up when nobody else in this thread will.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
It is. While it's a squeamish subject, the fact of the matter is that if she can continuously nudge you in the direction of becoming her indentured servant, she will. (Ditto for guys doing it to their girlfriends, it's not a gender thing.)

Realistically, you have to establish limits as to what you're willing to do for each other - it's great to cultivate the idea that you'll do anything for each other, but not becoming a doormat means that can't be completely true.

Yeah but while you are busy not becoming a doormat don't become an idiot also and that's what he was doing thinking that he could use the excuse he had to much to drink not to pick her up but it would be ok to come over later for some nookie. I don't think there is a woman out there with any self esteem that would go for that.

I'd definitely say that you have a very good point in that. However, from her reactions after the fact, I think that was too subtle a point for her (or him) to get - her outrage seems to be centred around the idea that he should be willing to drop everything and hook himself up to an IV in order to get over there and pick her up. That's just ridiculous, and it's unwise in the extreme to start to honour unrealistic expectations like that.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Tizyler
Why do some people have so much trouble understanding this concept:

Dinner with wine at 8PM.
Plans for me to come over at 10PM.

I drank at 8, but not so much that I would need to stay home all night. At the same time, I wasn't going to drive right after drinking.

This seems very clear cut to me.

and I'm guessing it was also pretty clear cut to her as well.Good luck to you both in finding new partners!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
It is. While it's a squeamish subject, the fact of the matter is that if she can continuously nudge you in the direction of becoming her indentured servant, she will. (Ditto for guys doing it to their girlfriends, it's not a gender thing.)

Realistically, you have to establish limits as to what you're willing to do for each other - it's great to cultivate the idea that you'll do anything for each other, but not becoming a doormat means that can't be completely true.

Yeah but while you are busy not becoming a doormat don't become an idiot also and that's what he was doing thinking that he could use the excuse he had to much to drink not to pick her up but it would be ok to come over later for some nookie. I don't think there is a woman out there with any self esteem that would go for that.

I'd definitely say that you have a very good point in that. However, from her reactions after the fact, I think that was too subtle a point for her (or him) to get - her outrage seems to be over the fact that he should be willing to drop everything and hook himself up to an IV in order to get over there and pick her up. That's just ridiculous, and it's unwise in the extreme to start to honour unrealistic expectations like that.

Well at least he manned up and broke up with her in person..oh wait, he didn't..DOH!

 

[Tiamat]

people are too embarassed when they realize that they fuct up and that there is nobody else to blame. They then continue and blame the only person that they can really count on. What she did was wrong, but i've seen that type of behavior in almost everybody. If she doesnt get smart fast, dump her. If she realizes her huge error, then its your call depending on how much patience you have.

 

[James Bond]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
It is. While it's a squeamish subject, the fact of the matter is that if she can continuously nudge you in the direction of becoming her indentured servant, she will. (Ditto for guys doing it to their girlfriends, it's not a gender thing.)

Realistically, you have to establish limits as to what you're willing to do for each other - it's great to cultivate the idea that you'll do anything for each other, but not becoming a doormat means that can't be completely true.

Yeah but while you are busy not becoming a doormat don't become an idiot also and that's what he was doing thinking that he could use the excuse he had to much to drink not to pick her up but it would be ok to come over later for some nookie. I don't think there is a woman out there with any self esteem that would go for that.

I'd definitely say that you have a very good point in that. However, from her reactions after the fact, I think that was too subtle a point for her (or him) to get - her outrage seems to be over the fact that he should be willing to drop everything and hook himself up to an IV in order to get over there and pick her up. That's just ridiculous, and it's unwise in the extreme to start to honour unrealistic expectations like that.

Well at least he manned up and broke up with her in person..oh wait, he didn't..DOH!

Your points really make no sense.

Are you going for cheap shots because you're in the wrong

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
It is. While it's a squeamish subject, the fact of the matter is that if she can continuously nudge you in the direction of becoming her indentured servant, she will. (Ditto for guys doing it to their girlfriends, it's not a gender thing.)

Realistically, you have to establish limits as to what you're willing to do for each other - it's great to cultivate the idea that you'll do anything for each other, but not becoming a doormat means that can't be completely true.

Yeah but while you are busy not becoming a doormat don't become an idiot also and that's what he was doing thinking that he could use the excuse he had to much to drink not to pick her up but it would be ok to come over later for some nookie. I don't think there is a woman out there with any self esteem that would go for that.

I'd definitely say that you have a very good point in that. However, from her reactions after the fact, I think that was too subtle a point for her (or him) to get - her outrage seems to be over the fact that he should be willing to drop everything and hook himself up to an IV in order to get over there and pick her up. That's just ridiculous, and it's unwise in the extreme to start to honour unrealistic expectations like that.

Well at least he manned up and broke up with her in person..oh wait, he didn't..DOH!

Your points really make no sense.

Are you going for cheap shots because you're in the wrong

I'm in the wrong? Look you little bitch I'm not the one running to ATOT looking for confirmation for my actions.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
It is. While it's a squeamish subject, the fact of the matter is that if she can continuously nudge you in the direction of becoming her indentured servant, she will. (Ditto for guys doing it to their girlfriends, it's not a gender thing.)

Realistically, you have to establish limits as to what you're willing to do for each other - it's great to cultivate the idea that you'll do anything for each other, but not becoming a doormat means that can't be completely true.

Yeah but while you are busy not becoming a doormat don't become an idiot also and that's what he was doing thinking that he could use the excuse he had to much to drink not to pick her up but it would be ok to come over later for some nookie. I don't think there is a woman out there with any self esteem that would go for that.

I'd definitely say that you have a very good point in that. However, from her reactions after the fact, I think that was too subtle a point for her (or him) to get - her outrage seems to be over the fact that he should be willing to drop everything and hook himself up to an IV in order to get over there and pick her up. That's just ridiculous, and it's unwise in the extreme to start to honour unrealistic expectations like that.

Well at least he manned up and broke up with her in person..oh wait, he didn't..DOH!

Your points really make no sense.

Are you going for cheap shots because you're in the wrong

Indeed. There's some odd "the female is right, we must find a way to make her the victor in this!" going on in this thread.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Red DawnWell at least he manned up and broke up with her in person..oh wait, he didn't..DOH!

She won't see him and wouldn't answer his calls. Her loss...she is dead wrong, and he needs to dump her if she can't see it, IMO.

I can understand where you and Geekbabe are coming from, and I may be off base here, but reading this is taking me back to a very similar situation where nothing I did or said would have been right, and I'm willing to bet that this chick is the same way.

 

[James Bond]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
It is. While it's a squeamish subject, the fact of the matter is that if she can continuously nudge you in the direction of becoming her indentured servant, she will. (Ditto for guys doing it to their girlfriends, it's not a gender thing.)

Realistically, you have to establish limits as to what you're willing to do for each other - it's great to cultivate the idea that you'll do anything for each other, but not becoming a doormat means that can't be completely true.

Yeah but while you are busy not becoming a doormat don't become an idiot also and that's what he was doing thinking that he could use the excuse he had to much to drink not to pick her up but it would be ok to come over later for some nookie. I don't think there is a woman out there with any self esteem that would go for that.

I'd definitely say that you have a very good point in that. However, from her reactions after the fact, I think that was too subtle a point for her (or him) to get - her outrage seems to be over the fact that he should be willing to drop everything and hook himself up to an IV in order to get over there and pick her up. That's just ridiculous, and it's unwise in the extreme to start to honour unrealistic expectations like that.

Well at least he manned up and broke up with her in person..oh wait, he didn't..DOH!

Your points really make no sense.

Are you going for cheap shots because you're in the wrong

I'm in the wrong? Look you little bitch I'm not the one running to ATOT looking for confirmation for my actions.

Wow.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Tizyler

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: yllus
It is. While it's a squeamish subject, the fact of the matter is that if she can continuously nudge you in the direction of becoming her indentured servant, she will. (Ditto for guys doing it to their girlfriends, it's not a gender thing.)

Realistically, you have to establish limits as to what you're willing to do for each other - it's great to cultivate the idea that you'll do anything for each other, but not becoming a doormat means that can't be completely true.

Yeah but while you are busy not becoming a doormat don't become an idiot also and that's what he was doing thinking that he could use the excuse he had to much to drink not to pick her up but it would be ok to come over later for some nookie. I don't think there is a woman out there with any self esteem that would go for that.

I'd definitely say that you have a very good point in that. However, from her reactions after the fact, I think that was too subtle a point for her (or him) to get - her outrage seems to be over the fact that he should be willing to drop everything and hook himself up to an IV in order to get over there and pick her up. That's just ridiculous, and it's unwise in the extreme to start to honour unrealistic expectations like that.

Well at least he manned up and broke up with her in person..oh wait, he didn't..DOH!

Your points really make no sense.

Are you going for cheap shots because you're in the wrong

Indeed. There's some odd "the female is right, we must find a way to make her the victor in this!" going on in this thread.

No unlike most of you wankers some of us understand women.