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YAGT: I'm probably insane for posting this here

EyeMWing

Banned
This doesn't bode well for the prospective reinstatement of my man card.

Here's the obligatory narrative:
Eventually, I get over skank face. Yes, I did it. Sort of. I don't feel like venturing out into the world of dating again, so I decide to take a break. So I start hanging out with this other chick that I had hung out with previous to the skankface episode reaching climax. We're more friends than anything, I wish it could be more, but we've talked about it and she's not interested. Nathan and I have basically raised her for the past few years, since her mother has to work two jobs to pay for her fancypants private school education. As a result, she's even a nerd at heart. She just refuses to commit some stuff to memory because it's too "geeky" or more commonly that she's afraid she'll mess up and break somthing. Furthermore, she considers me the only person that she can tell *everything* to. So I get to hear *everything.* I usually don't mind, I'm a natural born "listener."

That's cool, where's the problem?

Well, the problem lies in that the guys she does choose to get with are the freaking lowest common denominator of humanity. Drug dealers. Car thieves. Gun-toting gang members. It makes me physically ill to think of her with these goons. Nate's already written her off as a lost cause, he's literally told me never to utter her name in his presence unless she's finally seen the light and gotten with me, or if I'm telling him that she's dead and when the funeral is.

So yeah. This has been going on for a few months now. One of them got her into drugs, which set off the most painful night of my entire life. In short, I was stuck in a position where I either kept her secret and let her continue down the path that I've seen destroy far too many lives, or I betray that trust and tell someone on the outside chance that it can be stopped. After hours of beating myself up over it, I picked up the phone, and without thinking about it, dialed her mother's number and told the poor woman EVERYTHING. Drugs, sex, rap, thievery, etc. Way more than I'd intended to, but it just felt SO good to get it all off my chest.

Fortunately, her mother is a very smart woman and decided not to act overtly on anything I told her because it would be obvious to even the dumbest idiot that I'd ratted her out. Instead, she waited for small stuff that she could pretend to have stumbled upon by chance. Ultimately, the drug thing came to an end when I revealed to her mother the location of her stash. Enough fear-of-god was applied that she decided that maybe crack wasn't good for her, despite what her thuggin' man had said.

She's been dragged down the same road of cheating and lying that I was numerous times and hasn't really figured out that it doesn't have to happen. Her mother can't stop her from seeing these guys simply because she doesn't do it on HER time. She does it on SCHOOL time. She skips lunch and practices and various other extracurricular activities to find time for it all. Thereby we also can't get the school involved, because if they hear one bit about it, she quite simply won't be attending there any longer. Damn religious nazis.

I want to help, but I also feel guilty for trying to. I don't even know how I can help anymore, really. The last thing I can possibly think of would be to tip off the cops while she's engaged in some felony or another. Cruising around in a stolen car or somthing. I care about her, more than I've ever cared about anything else. I don't want to have to put her through that, but I also can't stand to see her throwing all this away for no apparent reason.

Is Nate right, and she's a lost cause?
Is this another case of my not being able to cut and run when I should?
Am I just as bad as they are?
Or maybe, just maybe, am I doing somthing right for once?
These are the questions that I find myself continually faced with internally and am never able to answer.

Ugh beerchug.gif

And yes, she's out with one of them right now. It's kinda funny... She called me and told me she didn't want to do anything with him because it makes her feel like a slut. And then the next breath she was making excuses like "You don't know how good it feels!" I hadn't even said anything.

And just to save some of you the time and effort, I'LL make the obligatory statement about getting tag-teamed on a boat.
 
Originally posted by: Teliasen
cliffnotes

Boy meets girl. Girl cheats on boy. Boy clings for 6 months, eventually realizes all is lost. Boy meets other girl. Girl isn't interested. Girl dates bone thugs. Boy rats her out to her mother. Girl doesn't know. Boy feels some kind of sick devotion and is obsessed with saving her from herself.
 
lost cause dude.

she's lost and it will take her a LONG time to figure it out. She needs an intervention to get back on track and to spend some time in a hospital.

quit trying to save others and go for a person worthy of your caring.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07quit trying to save others and go for a person worthy of your caring.

I need to age about 5 years before I qualify for meeting anyone without a serious mental illness if I'm not mistaken.
 
This doesn't bode well for the prospective reinstatement of my man card

The "reinstatement" of your mancard? Ha, ha, ha, ha!

You haven't even been considered for your man card yet! You are still living in a fantasy world surrounded by overstuffed toys and bottles of handcream. 😀

Wait a few years and maybe, just maybe, you will be allowed to apply to the manclub and be issued a man card! 😛



BTW, I didn't bother to read your drivel. 😉
 
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Teliasen
cliffnotes

Boy meets girl. Girl cheats on boy. Boy clings for 6 months, eventually realizes all is lost. Boy meets other girl. Girl isn't interested. Girl dates bone thugs. Boy rats her out to her mother. Girl doesn't know. Boy feels some kind of sick devotion and is obsessed with saving her from herself.

Thanks
[rant]Why does it seem that almost every YAGT is either this, or a long sick obsession that they wish to confess to us. We need a stickied topic here that says something along the lines of "THERE REALLY IS A YAGT.ORG WEBSITE, WE'RE NOT JUST MOCKING YOU, YOU SICK PERVERTS/LOSERS"
[/rant]
 
Originally posted by: Teliasen
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: Teliasen
cliffnotes

Boy meets girl. Girl cheats on boy. Boy clings for 6 months, eventually realizes all is lost. Boy meets other girl. Girl isn't interested. Girl dates bone thugs. Boy rats her out to her mother. Girl doesn't know. Boy feels some kind of sick devotion and is obsessed with saving her from herself.

Thanks
[rant]Why does it seem that almost every YAGT is either this, or a long sick obsession that they wish to confess to us. We need a stickied topic here that says something along the lines of "THERE REALLY IS A YAGT.ORG WEBSITE, WE'RE NOT JUST MOCKING YOU, YOU SICK PERVERTS/LOSERS"
[/rant]

It's posted there too, I just find ATOT yelling at me to be an excellent tool
 
how old are you two?

I was about to say something about how to fix this, but then it all completely depends on the age range
 
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
This doesn't bode well for the prospective reinstatement of my man card


You haven't even been considered for your man card yet! You are still living in a fantasy world surrounded by overstuffed toys and bottles of handcream. 😀
That sounds appealing right now.
 
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: spidey07quit trying to save others and go for a person worthy of your caring.

I need to age about 5 years before I qualify for meeting anyone without a serious mental illness if I'm not mistaken.

Everyone has a serious mental illness of one type or another. Find one that's not quite so self destructive.
 
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: cmdrmoocow
how old are you two?

Me: 18
She: 17

I myself am an 18'er and play the part of the 'listener' quite often.

Shes still a minor, so there is more hope.

I had a situation with a potential girlfriend that was already too deep into things like you have described. Unfortunately, I couldn't change her since I was the newcomer to her life. Things of her life started to come into mine, so I had to cut the contact off.

You, however, are in a much better position than I was. However, if you don't do something, the guys that she hangs with will find out about you and start getting you involved, whether or not you want them to or not.

I suggest the following:
Play the 'Trust me and listen' card and just tell her that her life is going nowhere, but in a much more eloquent form.

If she listens and cleans up, leaves all the other guys, etc, then you've done well. But keeping reality in mind, she will take what you say, make a mental note, and continue on what she's doing.

If she doesn't clear herself up, as we should expect, start tipping the cops about various things - esp stolen cars. Getting busted will surely put something in her mind. Because she's also a minor, the courts will be slightly easier on her.

Possible outcomes:
She cleans up right away, and everything is all peachy keen (unlikely)

She gets busted with her dudes, and gets a taste of reality by being busted. Once she gets out of her short stay with the legal system, she will then steer clear of that lifestyle, tell you you were right all along, etc, and then lives a much better life. (Good Thing[tm])

She listens or throws your advice back at you, gets busted with her dudes, gets a taste of reality, but then keeps going with that lifestyle. She keeps up with what she does, you go your separate way, and then she gets put in prison for a long time after a few years.


Out of the two possible ends, you will either:
Have taken a dangerous criminal off the streets
or
Saved a girls life, taken a dangerous criminal off the streets, and she will forever thank you for it.

Either way, its a good outcome, and you get your man-card back.
 
I vote to stay out of it and move on, take the steps to remove her from your life, the sooner the better for you.

I had a similar situation with a girl that I clicked with really well, for years she always was mixing it up with drugs and drinking though which was just not my kind of thing for the most part, but after years of hoping, trying and thinking she'd come around and change her ways I just realized she was a lost cause for me. Just about 1 month ago I saw her for the first time in about a year and she looked like crap, she got pretty heavy (she was always fit and slender) and just looked like she's put herself through hell. This being the case and all she did was ask me to go out to a bar with her, it just really made me realize how making a decision to get her out of my life and move on was the right decision and makes me realize that I wasted years of my life on and off with her.
 
Give it up, there is nothing you can do to change a girl's mind at that age. My step-sister (also 17) was dating a psycho/asshole/stalker-type and despite every single person she knew telling her about him and how he cheated on her constantly (not to mention the stuff she witnessed herself like his making a move to hit her) she stayed with him. Eventually she came to the realization that he was a psychotic loser who was constantly embarrassing her and she decided to dump him. She had to come to that decision herself, though.

Of course, she's still obsessed with him anyway, but she'll have to get over that herself too.
 
Originally posted by: Balt
Give it up, there is nothing you can do to change a girl's mind at that age. My step-sister (also 17) was dating a psycho/asshole/stalker-type and despite every single person she knew telling her about him and how he cheated on her constantly (not to mention the stuff she witnessed herself like his making a move to hit her) she stayed with him. Eventually she came to the realization that he was a psychotic loser who was constantly embarrassing her and she decided to dump him. She had to come to that decision herself, though.

Of course, she's still obsessed with him anyway, but she'll have to get over that herself too.

I know a 30yo that has issues coming to that conclusion. 😛
 
Originally posted by: cmdrmoocow
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: cmdrmoocow
how old are you two?

Me: 18
She: 17

I myself am an 18'er and play the part of the 'listener' quite often.

Shes still a minor, so there is more hope.

I had a situation with a potential girlfriend that was already too deep into things like you have described. Unfortunately, I couldn't change her since I was the newcomer to her life. Things of her life started to come into mine, so I had to cut the contact off.

You, however, are in a much better position than I was. However, if you don't do something, the guys that she hangs with will find out about you and start getting you involved, whether or not you want them to or not.

I suggest the following:
Play the 'Trust me and listen' card and just tell her that her life is going nowhere, but in a much more eloquent form.

If she listens and cleans up, leaves all the other guys, etc, then you've done well. But keeping reality in mind, she will take what you say, make a mental note, and continue on what she's doing.

If she doesn't clear herself up, as we should expect, start tipping the cops about various things - esp stolen cars. Getting busted will surely put something in her mind. Because she's also a minor, the courts will be slightly easier on her.

Possible outcomes:
She cleans up right away, and everything is all peachy keen (unlikely)

She gets busted with her dudes, and gets a taste of reality by being busted. Once she gets out of her short stay with the legal system, she will then steer clear of that lifestyle, tell you you were right all along, etc, and then lives a much better life. (Good Thing[tm])

She listens or throws your advice back at you, gets busted with her dudes, gets a taste of reality, but then keeps going with that lifestyle. She keeps up with what she does, you go your separate way, and then she gets put in prison for a long time after a few years.


Out of the two possible ends, you will either:
Have taken a dangerous criminal off the streets
or
Saved a girls life, taken a dangerous criminal off the streets, and she will forever thank you for it.

Either way, its a good outcome, and you get your man-card back.

😕 That's the LAST thing I expected out of this thread.
 
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