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HAL9000

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If you look at the real statistics on gun violence in America, the majority of people shot every year aren't children, they are gang members.
You're completely whack if you think you are getting free healthcare over there as you pay insane taxes that pay for your health care. Last I checked, you had to have a licenese just to watch "public" TV. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_in_the_United_Kingdom#Licensing

Don't get started on censorship in the UK as it exists and under certain subjects is even stricter than here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom
Hell they went so far sa to censor people based on being Irish.
Gay's can be together in the US and can marry in some state or were allowed to.
Currently, it is illegal in the UK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom

1) You have the one of the highest rates of gun death in the country
2) I don't pay high taxes
2a) We pay £110ish per year to watch the BBC, for it we get Top Gear, and Doctor Who. I'd pay double.
3) When I was in america I saw "Two Snakes on a Plane" at the crucial moment Sam J said "Get these monkey biting snakes on these monday to friday planes" It was 4am.... We have fucking at 4am.
4) I never said marriage.

Also: Stop derailing the thread ffs!
 
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Yep. But in the UK you don't need a gun to do that, that's the difference. Also I live next a police station which helps.



I feel like I do.

No the difference is the US has always had a culture of self reliance. (Les so now with certain aspects of some political parties)
I'm not going to entrust my safety to someone else, when I can do it myself EVERYWHERE I am. A cop isn't going to be where I am at every minute of the day.

And it doesn't surprise me you feel like you know better on the issue. People that live sheltered lives and feel they know better about a subject because they were told so typically have that sense of righteousness.
Then there are the people that have been victims of violent crimes, and those people have a better ground to stand on and tell people like you how it really is.

Or how about this. You stay in England and stay out of our business and we will stay in America and stay out of your business.
 
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1) You have the one of the highest rates of gun death in the country
2) I don't pay high taxes
2a) We pay £110ish per year to watch the BBC, for it we get Top Gear, and Doctor Who. I'd pay double.
3) When I was in america I saw "Two Snakes on a Plane" at the crucial moment Sam J said "Get these monkey biting snakes on these monday to friday planes" It was 4am.... We have fucking at 4am.
4) I never said marriage.

Also: Stop derailing the thread ffs!

You started the derailment with your dumbass post. I just corrected you and posted proof.
We have swearing late at night too. Southpark the movie on Comedy Central isn't censored.
You pay high taxes as a nation. It's a fact they are just rolled into everything as part of the VAT.

Back on track.
You don't know shit about America or Guns so stop posting in threads about guns in America.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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You started the derailment with your dumbass post. I just corrected you and posted proof.
We have swearing late at night too. Southpark the movie on Comedy Central isn't censored.
I was under the impression you have to pay for that???.... ;) :O More than our TV licence I'd wager as well.
You pay high taxes as a nation. It's a fact they are just rolled into everything as part of the VAT.
You're right there's no tax in america. The difference is it's based on what state you are in over there.

Back on track.
You don't know shit about America or Guns so stop posting in threads about guns in America.

Or how about this. You stay in England and stay out of our business and we will stay in America and stay out of your business.



Tell you what I'll stop defending my self from your drivel when you stop posting it. Let's take a look back about how this started:

As citizens we have a little more freedom than you subjects.
 

davmat787

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Didn't home invasion crime increase dramatically in England when some gun legislation went into effect? I remember reading that somewhere. Not saying one is better than the other, but I find this conversation very interesting.

I think some people from other countries think that because of our gun rights in the US, streets will run with blood. Ever heard the saying: "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns?"

I have never heard a gun fired out of anger in Seattle or anywhere else I have lived. Don't denying it happens, but I think it is less than a foreigner realizes.

I also read an article of an ever increasing number of Europeans coming to the US to shoot for the first time, and almost always had a great time.

Finally, guns are simply part of the US culture due to the second amendment.
 

HAL9000

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Didn't home invasion crime increase dramatically in England when some gun legislation went into effect? I remember reading that somewhere. Not saying one is better than the other, but I find this conversation very interesting.

I think some people from other countries think that because of our gun rights in the US, streets will run with blood. Ever heard the saying: "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns?"

I have never heard a gun fired out of anger in Seattle or anywhere else I have lived. Don't denying it happens, but I think it is less than a foreigner realizes.

I also read an article of an ever increasing number of Europeans coming to the US to shoot for the first time, and almost always had a great time.

Finally, guns are simply part of the US culture due to the second amendment.

Which is why I'm not going to try and change your mind, all I can say is I live a safer happier life than I would if guns were legal here.
 

highland145

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Didn't home invasion crime increase dramatically in England when some gun legislation went into effect? I remember reading that somewhere. Not saying one is better than the other, but I find this conversation very interesting.


Finally, guns are simply part of the US culture due to the second amendment.
Australia, too, iirc.



Thanks to the British Gen. Gates, weapons confiscator of the Revolution.
 

corwin

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.40SW in a small gun with a new shooter is asking for disappointment.

The Kahr isn't too small, but it's pretty darn light and kicks way harder than my Bersa Thunder .45 UC...not to mention the recoil spring is super tight and a PITA to rack.
 

davmat787

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You don't know shit about America or Guns so stop posting in threads about guns in America.

To be fair to our English friends, I did ask for their opinions on this subject. Most of the time their conceptions of gun violence in the US does not match reality, probably in part to the shitty movies and shows with constant gun fighting and glamorization.

But the bottom line: It's a right we have, and many choose to employ that right.
 

davmat787

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Which is why I'm not going to try and change your mind, all I can say is I live a safer happier life than I would if guns were legal here.

I have never owned a firearm, to be clear. But remember with the amount of legally own firearms in the US, the Government can't simply illegalize them all and do a house to house round up of them. Also remember the amount of rural area in the US as well.
 

HAL9000

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I have never owned a firearm, to be clear. But remember with the amount of legally own firearms in the US, the Government can't simply illegalize them all and do a house to house round up of them. Also remember the amount of rural area in the US as well.

I know that it would be very difficult to do, that doesn't change that I think it needs to start.
 
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Tell you what I'll stop defending my self from your drivel when you stop posting it. Let's take a look back about how this started:


It started on your front with this:
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Originally Posted by freegeeks
as a non US citizen, I always find these gun threads fascinating

Ditto. Bizarre and fascinating.


Thanks for playing and saying I started it when in posting in chronolgical order, I mearly replied to you, who replied to freegeeks. So in your typical fashion of trying to blame the wrong person. You fail.

As far as your earlier quip about derailing the thread. It's a spidey thread. He derails enough threads: turnabout is fair play :p
 
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HAL9000

Lifer
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It started on your front with this:



Thanks for playing and saying I started it when in posting in chronolgical order, I mearly replied to you, who replied to freegeeks. So in your typical fashion of trying to blame the wrong person. You fail.

As far as your earlier quip about derailing the thread. It's a spidey thread. He derails enough threads: turnabout is fair play :p

I said that this was bizarre, you said you have more rights than us subjects. Not a response, just you attempting to insult me.
 
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I know that it would be very difficult to do, that doesn't change that I think it needs to start.

You better go empty out your utinsel drawer because knives over a certain length are illegal there, it's only a matter of time before they are all illegal.

People like you are the problem, not the solution. You want to ban tools, and not tackle to root of a problem. The root of the problem be it gun violence or knife violence, which mysteriously skyrocketed in England when the government confiscated guns, is PEOPLE.
The issue is PEOPLE that would rather take the easy route and steal, rob, or plain out kill someone over property/drugs.
Fix those people, don't take away a persons ability to defend against the bad people.

I find it funny that someone mentioned Germany in this thread, and you being English are OK with the confiscation of guns from the people, which is what the Germans did.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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You better go empty out your utinsel drawer because knives over a certain length are illegal there, it's only a matter of time before they are all illegal.

People like you are the problem, not the solution. You want to ban tools, and not tackle to root of a problem. The root of the problem be it gun violence or knife violence, which mysteriously skyrocketed in England when the government confiscated guns, is PEOPLE.
The issue is PEOPLE that would rather take the easy route and steal, rob, or plain out kill someone over property/drugs.
Fix those people, don't take away a persons ability to defend against the bad people.

I find it funny that someone mentioned Germany in this thread, and you being English are OK with the confiscation of guns from the people, which is what the Germans did.

It's only carrying a knife over a certain size, not owning one. The whole guns don't kill people argument is absurd. Guns aren't like knives, knives have other purposes, guns are to kill that is all.
 

Nebor

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jlee

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It's only carrying a knife over a certain size, not owning one. The whole guns don't kill people argument is absurd. Guns aren't like knives, knives have other purposes, guns are to kill that is all.

:confused:

Your knowledge of this topic is sorely lacking.
 

rudeguy

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oh God....did neckbread hijack another thread?

This is America. It is our constitutional right to bear arms. We are responsible enough to use those arms to protects ourselves against death, great bodily injury that could cause death or rape. If you Brits can't handle that, then that is your problem.

Keep your crooked teeth on your side of the pond and let us be free. You have enough snowflakes to look after.
 

pontifex

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Perhaps I did extend it a tad, but none-the-less, the idea that people around me know this much about guns would be terrifying.

how is it terrifying? The people in this thread aren't going out on shooting sprees. It's not the fucking wild west here in US.

thats like saying you're scared of people who know so much about cars, they might run you over.

for most people it's a hobby, just like pc gaming or working on a car. a gun is machine, nothing more.
 

pontifex

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I know that it would be very difficult to do, that doesn't change that I think it needs to start.

stay in England. we don't need or want your kind here to take away our rights. we have enough fucking retards and idiots trying to do that already.
 

gorobei

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since we're up to almost 3 pages of derail i'll throw it back to the OP.

if your wife is really having that much difficulty with the slide/recoil spring operation, then revolver is the best option.

Caveats: 38 spl is fine for training and getting used to operation, but +p 38 or nominal load 357 kicks significantly more and can be punishing enough to make female shooters less enthusiastic about regular practicing. This can be made worse by choosing a small frame revolver based on the idea that she has small hands, less carry weight, easier concealment size. Small + light = more recoil bite. More weight helps with recoil, longer barrel helps with muzzle rise. Also there are ported barrel options and a host of custom grips that can help adjust weapon feel.

Range rentals with wide variety is the ideal way to test suitability.

note: It's a shame taurus no longer makes its medium frame .44spl 5shot revolver. The caliber was more than capable stopping power-wise , but the recoil mild enough.
 

spidey07

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Thanks all. I know she should pick her own weapon and she's got experience with mine that's why I was leaning towards revolvers. She's a pretty good shot but part of her likes the simplicity of revolvers, she like's being able to just open the cylinder to check vs. an auto. Plus the weight issue.

I agree, the 357 was for home vs. carry. I was just looking for particular models to look for and we'll go shopping/shooting.

On racking the slide, mine are pretty tight and I/We do a push/pull with strong hand. But her safe and confident operation is more important to us. Hell, maybe I'll convince dad to give her his 38 snubnose service weapon from the 50s. :)
 

rudeguy

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Thanks all. I know she should pick her own weapon and she's got experience with mine that's why I was leaning towards revolvers. She's a pretty good shot but part of her likes the simplicity of revolvers, she like's being able to just open the cylinder to check vs. an auto. Plus the weight issue.

I agree, the 357 was for home vs. carry. I was just looking for particular models to look for and we'll go shopping/shooting.

On racking the slide, mine are pretty tight and I/We do a push/pull with strong hand. But her safe and confident operation is more important to us. Hell, maybe I'll convince dad to give her his 38 snubnose service weapon from the 50s. :)

I don't get the slide fixation. I have yet to rack my slide. Why would you need to unless there is a misfire?
 

spidey07

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I don't get the slide fixation. I have yet to rack my slide. Why would you need to unless there is a misfire?

Clearing drills and locking slide open and checking. A defense weapon needs to be able to quickly deal with a problem IMHO.

Plus that whole loading it thing.