YAGT: AK-47 Versus AK-74

[Schadenfroh]

OK, i see that the AK-74 has a smaller round. Isnt it the standard weapon of the russian military? Why did they transition to the smaller round? was it cheaper or something? i see also a folding stock on most. What are the pros and cons of each one?

 

[JDub02]

The US Army also went to a smaller round (5.56 vs. 7.62) in the Vietnam era with the switch to the M16. This allowed soldiers to carry more ammo. That means they didn't have to be as accurate.

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: JDub02
The US Army also went to a smaller round (5.56 vs. 7.62) in the Vietnam era with the switch to the M16. This allowed soldiers to carry more ammo. That means they didn't have to be as accurate.

I thought the 5.56 is more accurate, since there is less recoil. However, it does have less range than the 7.62 and less stopping power.

What they need to do is to adopt the caseless ammo. The brass shell never kills anything and is one of the heaviest component of the ammo.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: JDub02
The US Army also went to a smaller round (5.56 vs. 7.62) in the Vietnam era with the switch to the M16. This allowed soldiers to carry more ammo. That means they didn't have to be as accurate.

I thought the 5.56 is more accurate, since there is less recoil. However, it does have less range than the 7.62 and less stopping power.

What they need to do is to adopt the caseless ammo. The brass shell never kills anything and is one of the heaviest component of the ammo.

caseless ammo exists? how good is it?

 

[oogabooga]

more accurate in the sense that they have more bullets, and hence don't need to be as careful i guess....

 

[styrafoam]

I don't think caseless ammo has ever been used in a weapon in service, the HK g-11 is the only working example I know of.

 

Well, look at it this way...they issued a bunch of AK-74s to the troops in Russia...most of them switched back to the AK-47. That tell you something?

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

pics of said aks

 

[ShotgunSteven]

There are decent AK-74s out there, but for sheer quantity of available parts and ammunition I would go with the AK-47.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: JDub02
The US Army also went to a smaller round (5.56 vs. 7.62) in the Vietnam era with the switch to the M16. This allowed soldiers to carry more ammo. That means they didn't have to be as accurate.

I thought the 5.56 is more accurate, since there is less recoil. However, it does have less range than the 7.62 and less stopping power.

What they need to do is to adopt the caseless ammo. The brass shell never kills anything and is one of the heaviest component of the ammo.

why would a smaller round have less range? 😕

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: Hammer


why would a smaller round have less range? 😕

Because you can carry a bunch more of them.

I don't know the numbers off-hand, but the ratio of shots to kills went up alot between WW2 and Vietnam.

 

[TallBill]

We could start firing Black Powdered rifles again. Thats caseless.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: JDub02
The US Army also went to a smaller round (5.56 vs. 7.62) in the Vietnam era with the switch to the M16. This allowed soldiers to carry more ammo. That means they didn't have to be as accurate.

I thought the 5.56 is more accurate, since there is less recoil. However, it does have less range than the 7.62 and less stopping power.

What they need to do is to adopt the caseless ammo. The brass shell never kills anything and is one of the heaviest component of the ammo.

why would a smaller round have less range? 😕

A heavier bullet's trajectory drops off much faster.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing
pics of said aks

AK-74
AK-47

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: JDub02
The US Army also went to a smaller round (5.56 vs. 7.62) in the Vietnam era with the switch to the M16. This allowed soldiers to carry more ammo. That means they didn't have to be as accurate.

I thought the 5.56 is more accurate, since there is less recoil. However, it does have less range than the 7.62 and less stopping power.

What they need to do is to adopt the caseless ammo. The brass shell never kills anything and is one of the heaviest component of the ammo.

caseless ammo exists? how good is it?

A lot more heat is transferred into the barrel, when using caseless ammo.

 

[amish]

lets get caseless ammo wet and see how it performs, and i'm not talking just about the slug/round/bullet but the powder too.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: JDub02
The US Army also went to a smaller round (5.56 vs. 7.62) in the Vietnam era with the switch to the M16. This allowed soldiers to carry more ammo. That means they didn't have to be as accurate.

I thought the 5.56 is more accurate, since there is less recoil. However, it does have less range than the 7.62 and less stopping power.

What they need to do is to adopt the caseless ammo. The brass shell never kills anything and is one of the heaviest component of the ammo.

caseless ammo exists? how good is it?

You can buy one of these.

 

Originally posted by: amish
lets get caseless ammo wet and see how it performs, and i'm not talking just about the slug/round/bullet but the powder too.

Get any powder wet and see how it performs. Some ammo is really crappy in terms of seals. Unless you know something I don't, I'm going to assume they have a workaround for the caseless with water.