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[Jzero]

Sen. Liz Figueroa, (D) Fremont, California
If you think GMail is an invasion or privacy, *gasp* you don't have to use it!

 

[thomsbrain]

if they're breaking a law, then they shouldn't be able to offer the service regardless of it being optional.

but so far i haven't seen concrete evidence that it's illegal. i sure as hell won't use it, and i won't be using google for searches anymore, either, but if it's legal i don't see why they can't offer it.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
if they're breaking a law, then they shouldn't be able to offer the service regardless of it being optional.

but so far i haven't seen concrete evidence that it's illegal. i sure as hell won't use it, and i won't be using google for searches anymore, either, but if it's legal i don't see why they can't offer it.

Sounds to me like it's not currently illegal, she has drafted legislation to make it illegal. Yet another case of California politicians protecting people from things they shouldn't need protection from. Man, I don't know how you Californians would survive without your politicians.

 

[kermalou]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
if they're breaking a law, then they shouldn't be able to offer the service regardless of it being optional.

but so far i haven't seen concrete evidence that it's illegal. i sure as hell won't use it, and i won't be using google for searches anymore, either, but if it's legal i don't see why they can't offer it.

Sounds to me like it's not currently illegal, she has drafted legislation to make it illegal. Yet another case of California politicians protecting people from things they shouldn't need protection from. Man, I don't know how you Californians would survive without your politicians.

jealous of our governator are you

 

[HappyPuppy]

Naw, just another typical ignorant California legislator trying to make a name for herself. We Californians don't let the small shyt bother us.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
if they're breaking a law, then they shouldn't be able to offer the service regardless of it being optional.

but so far i haven't seen concrete evidence that it's illegal. i sure as hell won't use it, and i won't be using google for searches anymore, either, but if it's legal i don't see why they can't offer it.

If only advertising and data mining WERE illegal! Life would be so peaceful and quiet.

 

[theNEOone]

you know what, i think that it's a valiant effort. although i'm completely in agreement w/ the "don't like, don't use" argument, it's people like this that help keep things in check. what if s/he was able to make google remove their email scanning functionality? or allow users to delete their email (gmail doesn't allow you to delete your email, which is absolutely ridiculous). if this legislation is passed, then it means a better product for consumers. i'm all for this.


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[Jzero]

Originally posted by: theNEOone
you know what, i think that it's a valiant effort. although i'm completely in agreement w/ the "don't like, don't use" argument, it's people like this that help keep things in check. what if s/he was able to make google remove their email scanning functionality? or allow users to delete their email (gmail doesn't allow you to delete your email, which is absolutely ridiculous). if this legislation is passed, then it means a better product for consumers. i'm all for this.


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If this legislation passed, there would be no Gmail.

If they were not able to offer the targetted advertising, there would be NO product. It's that advertising that is supposed to pay the bill for the storage and bandwidth, and hopefully a little extra for the company.

As for them storing your information forever, as long as they disclose that, which they have, no one should really be caught by surprise.

This isn't a legislative matter. If people don't like the way Gmail is structured, they need to 1) Not use it and 2) Tell Google WHY they will not use it. Believe it or not, companies will change their ways if there is sufficient demand!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: theNEOone
you know what, i think that it's a valiant effort. although i'm completely in agreement w/ the "don't like, don't use" argument, it's people like this that help keep things in check. what if s/he was able to make google remove their email scanning functionality? or allow users to delete their email (gmail doesn't allow you to delete your email, which is absolutely ridiculous). if this legislation is passed, then it means a better product for consumers. i'm all for this.


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Or you'd end up with a law that's impossible to enforce, because Google would just prohibit residents of California from having Gmail accounts - but there's no way for them to know for sure where you live, so it would be up to you to comply with the law or not.

Not being able to delete your old mail is kind of dumb, but the ads are just part of the deal. If you don't want them to scan your e-mail, don't use it. It's not like a human being will ever read your e-mail, and if you're worried about them scanning your e-mail for evidence of illegal activity, well any e-mail provider COULD do that, but they don't.

 

[sillymofo]

I don't know why you guys are fussing about it, his point is exactly right, IT'S FREE, if you don't like it, don't use it.

Damn, sometimes I think people just bitch too damn much.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: theNEOone
you know what, i think that it's a valiant effort. although i'm completely in agreement w/ the "don't like, don't use" argument, it's people like this that help keep things in check. what if s/he was able to make google remove their email scanning functionality? or allow users to delete their email (gmail doesn't allow you to delete your email, which is absolutely ridiculous). if this legislation is passed, then it means a better product for consumers. i'm all for this.


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If this legislation passed, there would be no Gmail.

If they were not able to offer the targetted advertising, there would be NO product. It's that advertising that is supposed to pay the bill for the storage and bandwidth, and hopefully a little extra for the company.

As for them storing your information forever, as long as they disclose that, which they have, no one should really be caught by surprise.

This isn't a legislative matter. If people don't like the way Gmail is structured, they need to 1) Not use it and 2) Tell Google WHY they will not use it. Believe it or not, companies will change their ways if there is sufficient demand!

it's your last comment that i was mainly addressing in my post. although the primary legal purpose of the legislation is put in place to prevent google from offering its gmail service, its primary goal is a commercial one, i.e. to change the way google implements that service. the legislation is not an empty threat - california is a huge market, and i'm sure google will do whatever it can to keep it. let them keep the ads, but force them to do it in a way that doesn't involve scanning personal emails. mandatory surveys, questionaires....i dunno, google employs a ton of creative people. i'm sure the can think of something.


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[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: mugs
Or you'd end up with a law that's impossible to enforce, because Google would just prohibit residents of California from having Gmail accounts - but there's no way for them to know for sure where you live, so it would be up to you to comply with the law or not.

Not being able to delete your old mail is kind of dumb, but the ads are just part of the deal. If you don't want them to scan your e-mail, don't use it. It's not like a human being will ever read your e-mail, and if you're worried about them scanning your e-mail for evidence of illegal activity, well any e-mail provider COULD do that, but they don't.

it's very easy to enfore the law. legislation can easily force service providers to block certain addresses or ports. the only people that might be out of reach are those using satellite.


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[Mookow]

Originally posted by: theNEOone
you know what, i think that it's a valiant effort. although i'm completely in agreement w/ the "don't like, don't use" argument, it's people like this that help keep things in check. what if s/he was able to make google remove their email scanning functionality? or allow users to delete their email (gmail doesn't allow you to delete your email, which is absolutely ridiculous). if this legislation is passed, then it means a better product for consumers. i'm all for this.


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If this legislation is passed, it means no product for consumers (at least not with current specs), as it would no longer make sense for them to offer it. Business's arent run for your benefit, they're run to make money. Take away the incentive to make money, and you've got no reason to put in time and effort running the business.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: mugs
Or you'd end up with a law that's impossible to enforce, because Google would just prohibit residents of California from having Gmail accounts - but there's no way for them to know for sure where you live, so it would be up to you to comply with the law or not.

Not being able to delete your old mail is kind of dumb, but the ads are just part of the deal. If you don't want them to scan your e-mail, don't use it. It's not like a human being will ever read your e-mail, and if you're worried about them scanning your e-mail for evidence of illegal activity, well any e-mail provider COULD do that, but they don't.

it's very easy to enfore the law. legislation can easily force service providers to block certain addresses or ports. the only people that might be out of reach are those using satellite.


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Wow, I thought they only did stuff like that in countries like China...