YAGLST: Disney told Lucas to pack his bags and go home

[SP33Demon]

Jeez, I didn't think the 3 prequels were all that bad. Sure, Jar Jar sucked and Episode one was childish because it centered on a child for the main character. Hell, the whole series centers on Darth Vader's rise and fall.

I have no faith in JJ and have no good feelings on the guy what-so-ever. Disney is in the same boat as far as I'm concerned.

Eh, Disney turned Guardians of the Galaxy into arguably the year's best movie from a critical acclaim + profitability standpoint. No one predicted that. JJ, on the other hand, may not be the best but he's way better than Lucas in my book. Both Star Treks and Super 8 were solid flicks outside of lens flare.

 

[mrjminer]

Congratulations, you have terrible taste in film. Only children and idiots think that the prequels were anything other than horrible.

I actually thought Phantom Menace was the best of the three. It's the only one I enjoyed.

Two sucked other than the fight at the end. I don't need my SW having 90% love story.

The third was also pretty "meh."

Hayden Christensen was cast so badly, coupled with terrible scripts. He definitely didn't have the acting chops to make up for the scripts

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Congratulations, you have terrible taste in film. Only children and idiots think that the prequels were anything other than horrible.

:thumbsup:

All bow to the Cinema Fuehrer, knower of all that is good and bad in the movie world. Do not disagree with him or you will be branded as untermensch.

Sieg Heil!

 

[preslove]

I actually thought Phantom Menace was the best of the three. It's the only one I enjoyed.

Two sucked other than the fight at the end. I don't need my SW having 90% love story.

The third was also pretty "meh."

Hayden Christensen was cast so badly, coupled with terrible scripts. He definitely didn't have the acting chops to make up for the scripts

Nope nope nope.

George Lucas is the worst big name director of the past 30 years. He is incapable of getting even a half way decent performance out of a great actor. He's infamous for this.

Blaming the actors for bad performances in his shitpile films is dumb.

 

[preslove]

:thumbsup:

All bow to the Cinema Fuehrer, knower of all that is good and bad in the movie world. Do not disagree with him or you will be branded as untermensch.

Sieg Heil!

Resorting to calling me a nazi simply confirms that you are a fucking idiot.

The prequels failed at all levels of filmaking, from a nonsensical plot, to god awful cinematography, dialogue, spacing, terrible cgi, etc. It literally takes about about an hour and a half to truly analyze how bad they were. Here, maybe you'll learn something: http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star-wars-episode-1-the-phantom-menace/

 

[mrjminer]

Nope nope nope.

George Lucas is the worst big name director of the past 30 years. He is incapable of getting even a half way decent performance out of a great actor. He's infamous for this.

Blaming the actors for bad performances in his shitpile films is dumb.

I blamed the scripts, then said Hayden wasn't good enough to make up for how bad the scripts were. Double whammy with bad scripts and a subpar performance.

However, considering Hayden to be a great actor even now is laughable. He ranges from below average to slightly above average, depending on the movie. Life as a House and Shattered Glass being the slightly above averages, both over 10 years ago, and neither were stellar performances.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Resorting to calling me a nazi simply confirms that you are a fucking idiot.

The prequels failed at all levels of filmaking, from a nonsensical plot, to god awful cinematography, dialogue, spacing, terrible cgi, etc. It literally takes about about an hour and a half to truly analyze how bad they were. Here, maybe you'll learn something: http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/star-wars-episode-1-the-phantom-menace/

Mad much? I'm pulling your chain.

Calling someone out on their taste of movies isn't far from "confirming that you are a fucking idiot". It's all art.

But yes, the CGI and cinematography all sucked during that timeframe in movies for the most part. Nothing is as good as the old-time practical effects, but no one really had the time, patience, or money to do that so they all resorted to CGI and still do.

Plus the plots/dynamic all go along with each movie. Episode 1: Follows a child and has a lot of childish aspects to it. People that were kids/grew up watching the old movies were generally too old to appreciate this when it came out. Episode 2: Follows an angsty teenager. Adults don't like angsty teenagers. I generally enjoyed Episode 3 though, I thought it was a good windup for the original trilogy....but still left a lot out that it could have done better to tie up all loose ends.

I still won't be holding my breath that Episode 7 will be good.

 

[smackababy]

THIS. The Incredibles, Ratatouille, and Mission: Impossible 4 - Ghost Protocol have all been critical and commercial hits. I don't know if he's a Star Wars fan, but I think it would have been awesome to give him a crack at it.

I would honestly prefer a non Star Wars fan to do the writing. I'd much rather have someone focusing on making the story and characters not laughably bad (I mean, Episode 1-3 is full of characters whose entire point is a single plot point, like Qui-gon, and have literally zero other traits) than some idiot jizzing himself over force moves and lightsaber BS, that should be reserved for me when I see the movies.

 

[mmntech]

Jeez, I didn't think the 3 prequels were all that bad. Sure, Jar Jar sucked and Episode one was childish because it centered on a child for the main character. Hell, the whole series centers on Darth Vader's rise and fall.

I have no faith in JJ and have no good feelings on the guy what-so-ever. Disney is in the same boat as far as I'm concerned.

There's a lot wrong with those movies from a just a film making perspective. They have ambitious visuals but suffer from poor storytelling and poor direction. There's points where it looked like it was directed and produced by a first year film student with a big budget. They're lazy movies.

I'd actually argue that Episode 1 was the best of the prequels, since it still utilized puppets, models, and practical sets. Episode II and III are ugly movies IMO. Too much CGI when CGI wasn't necessary. Some if it is actually quite jarring.

George Lucas gets way too much credit for the success of the original trilogy. Even back then he had a lot of poor ideas, but he surrounded himself with talented people and not sycophants. After he made his money, he got lazy, and started making the movies he wanted to make. Pretty much every single one of them has been rough. He's definitely not at the same caliber as his contemporaries who cut their chops in the 70s; such as Spielberg, Coppola, or Scorsese.

 

[Cogman]

Nope nope nope.

George Lucas is the worst big name director of the past 30 years. He is incapable of getting even a half way decent performance out of a great actor. He's infamous for this.

Blaming the actors for bad performances in his shitpile films is dumb.

Gotta agree. The 3 prequels were at the level of a Michael Bay movie without the high level of action and explosions.

Lucas decided he was just going to throw in a bunch of CGI and hoped that people would love the movies because of all the cool things he could do with a computer.

 

[Nograts]

Congratulations, you have terrible taste in film. Only children and idiots think that the prequels were anything other than horrible.

I liked the last 30 minutes of 3 when everyone starts getting murdered. The 1st one though...my fucking gawd. "Are you an angel?" Bwahahaha! And then jar jar this fucking down syndrome lizard rat, bwahaha. What a disgrace to the series.

Seriously it's physically painful to watch.

 

[smackababy]

There's a lot wrong with those movies from a just a film making perspective. They have ambitious visuals but suffer from poor storytelling and poor direction. There's points where it looked like it was directed and produced by a first year film student with a big budget. They're lazy movies.

I'd actually argue that Episode 1 was the best of the prequels, since it still utilized puppets, models, and practical sets. Episode II and III are ugly movies IMO. Too much CGI when CGI wasn't necessary. Some if it is actually quite jarring.

George Lucas gets way too much credit for the success of the original trilogy. Even back then he had a lot of poor ideas, but he surrounded himself with talented people and not sycophants. After he made his money, he got lazy, and started making the movies he wanted to make. Pretty much every single one of them has been rough. He's definitely not at the same caliber as his contemporaries who cut their chops in the 70s; such as Spielberg, Coppola, or Scorsese.

Pretty much this. After the initial success, Lucas looks to have just surrounded himself with yes men and since the success of the first trilogy had the clout to have anyone be replaceable, the movies really suffered.

There is pretty much zero character development done on any character not played by Hayden Christensen, and even major characters got lacking treatment. Padme, for instance, always had hints of some kind of grand leadership and the people loved her. Yet, we didn't get to see any of that crap. It was literally her just being a plot device. "Oh, Anakin loves her." "Oh, she is captured and needs help." "Oh, she is dumb enough to vote in the Emperor." Let's not even get into what the motivations for other characters were, except for "it was written in the script".

 

[Cogman]

There's a lot wrong with those movies from a just a film making perspective. They have ambitious visuals but suffer from poor storytelling and poor direction. There's points where it looked like it was directed and produced by a first year film student with a big budget. They're lazy movies.

I'd actually argue that Episode 1 was the best of the prequels, since it still utilized puppets, models, and practical sets. Episode II and III are ugly movies IMO. Too much CGI when CGI wasn't necessary. Some if it is actually quite jarring.

George Lucas gets way too much credit for the success of the original trilogy. Even back then he had a lot of poor ideas, but he surrounded himself with talented people and not sycophants. After he made his money, he got lazy, and started making the movies he wanted to make. Pretty much every single one of them has been rough. He's definitely not at the same caliber as his contemporaries who cut their chops in the 70s; such as Spielberg, Coppola, or Scorsese.

He got lucky with IV. I mean, I think the only reason it did so well was because the actors didn't take him seriously at all, the budget was low so he couldn't just do it until it was "right", and the post production editing was really fantastic. He did a killer job with the special effects, better than any that had been seen up to this point in time. Even the character costumes weren't all that bad (though there were few, so it was obvious he just didn't have the budget to shoot a planet full of gredos).

I mean, harrison ford as Han Solo was just dumb luck. I'm certain the Solo was as likeable as he is particularly because Ford thought the whole thing was a joke so he payed no attention the script or lucas.

But the fact that Lucas was a terrible director had to be apparent to the producers of the time. There is a damn good reason why he wasn't given the director's seat for V and VI. They didn't want to risk high budgets on lucas. They didn't trust him. And we can plainly see that they were 100% right.

 

[Maximilian]

Congratulations, you have terrible taste in film. Only children and idiots think that the prequels were anything other than horrible.

I didn't think they were bad movies on their own. But when compared to the original trilogy... holy fuck yeah they are pretty lousy...

 

[Maximilian]

Is this good?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458290/?ref_=nm_flmg_wr_14

It ran for 6 years and had 7 seasons... first ive heard of it lol.

 

[Kaido]

Apparently Disney turned down every story treatment for Star Wars Episode VII he handed them. That explains why he was so bitter when asked about the teaser.

I started to feel bad for him, then I remembered Episodes I, II, and III, so...yeah

Plus, from a business standpoint, he sold the franchise. Giving him a creative consultant title was more of a formality than anything, especially since the new movies were butchered to make a merchandising money machine for toys. While I'm glad he invented the series, I think Disney & JJ are going to do a great job with it, and at the very least, better than the most recent episodes.

 

[nageov3t]

Is this good?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458290/?ref_=nm_flmg_wr_14

It ran for 6 years and had 7 seasons... first ive heard of it lol.

I've heard good things about it, but bear in mind that it's a cartoon aimed at children.

 

[Sonikku]

Say what people will, but I enjoyed Episode 3. For me the highlight was not so much the fall of Anakin, but the rise of Palpatine. Ian McDirmid is an excellent actor. And in a trilogy with awful lines, he seems to get the best ones.

"And we shall have... peace."

The real tragedy of the movies was the death of democracy and the end of the Republic. Anakin was little more than a symptom. The Jedi Temple would have been razed just as surely had he never been born. People complained that the Jedi seemed out of it in the prequels, but that was the point. (and hammered home in the season 5 finale of Clone Wars) The Jedi council, not just the Senate, had lost touch with the people and are out of touch with the times.

And Palpatine could have been stopped, but they had grown too lazy. Relying on rigid rules and absolute adherence to the Jedi code as if that were enough to carry them. Qui-Gon Jinn was the last Jedi that had it together. He looked for truth beyond the code and could have helped Anakin and in time would have seen through Palpatines lies. Yet he couldn't even get a seat on the council because his views on relying on instinct was too "sacrilegious". Palpatine actually did everyone a favor as far as I'm concerned. He hit the reset button on a broken system and paved the way for a wiser Jedi order under Luke.

 

[mmntech]

There is pretty much zero character development done on any character not played by Hayden Christensen, and even major characters got lacking treatment. Padme, for instance, always had hints of some kind of grand leadership and the people loved her. Yet, we didn't get to see any of that crap. It was literally her just being a plot device. "Oh, Anakin loves her." "Oh, she is captured and needs help." "Oh, she is dumb enough to vote in the Emperor." Let's not even get into what the motivations for other characters were, except for "it was written in the script".

A lot of the acting and character development feels really forced to me.

Mike Stoklasa (as Plinkett) brought up a valid point that it relies on a lot of really basic level camera work, like shot reverse shot for dialogue. So you have a lot of busy CGI visuals mixed in with unambitious cinematography.

I don't know why everyone worries about JJ Abrams. All the uber geeks complained the two Trek films he did were too much like Star Wars. Then when he does Star Wars, everyone doubts he can pull it off. Disney has a proven track record of story telling. Certainly far better than anything Lucas shat out over the last 25 years. They know what they're doing, and wouldn't have picked Abrams if he wasn't appropriate.

 

[Jaskalas]

1 and 2 were terrible.
3 rushed through the content, and essentially gave us zero time with Darth Vader. It needed to be two movies.

I'm happy to see Disney doing its own thing.

 

[Fingolfin269]

What are these prequels you guys keep talking about? Nothing like that ever happened. Those movies are only in your imagination.

 

[Sonikku]

1 and 2 were terrible.
3 rushed through the content, and essentially gave us zero time with Darth Vader. It needed to be two movies.

I'm happy to see Disney doing its own thing.

Darth Vader isn't just the guy in the suit. From the moment Anakin swore loyalty to Sidious he was Darth Vader. A third of the movie is dedicated to Darth Vader swarming the temple/killing Jedi, killing nute gunray and the other separatist leaders and fighting his former master.

 

[torpid]

More specifically, J.J's writer buddy, Damon Lindeloff, is just...fucking terrible.

I wish Disney had given this movie to Brad Bird (Mission Impossible 4).

Lindeloff isn't anywhere near the same level of awful as Lucas. The reason people get mad is that Lindeloff writes largely entertaining things that have some serious flaws that mar what should have been a great movie/show. I enjoy most of his work, but I become enraged when I think how much better still it could have been.

The last three Star Wars were nothing but serious flaws. There were no redeeming qualities to the writing. Literally everything Lindeloff has done is better.

 

[nageov3t]

1 and 2 were terrible.
3 rushed through the content, and essentially gave us zero time with Darth Vader. It needed to be two movies.

I'm happy to see Disney doing its own thing.

at any rate, 1 and 2 could have basically been condensed into one movie, giving more time for adult Anakin doing stuff other than awkwardly rolling around in the grass with Natalie Portman.

 

[torpid]

at any rate, 1 and 2 could have basically been condensed into one movie, giving more time for adult Anakin doing stuff other than awkwardly rolling around in the grass with Natalie Portman.

I'm not sure if this would have been much better. I guess having two pianos dropped on your head is technically worse than one piano, but it's hard to get all worked up about the second piano to me. Such is how I view the "romance" scenes in episode 2.