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YAET : Need advice - I am being threatned with legal action

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Here is my situation. I purchased a car from ebay from a seller and the seller is just 3 hours away from where i stay. As soon as I purchased the car, I contacted the seller and arranged for pick up over the weekend. At the last minute, the seller informed me that he was unavailable over the weekend.

I arranged for pickup next weekend and the same thing happened. The seller was unavailabe. I talked to the seller and told him that I was about to go on a vacation for thanksgiving. Also, since we were unable to arrange something at a common time, he would use the second chance option to the next highest bidder.

I said Ok, and he went ahead and made second chance offer to the next highest bidder.
I assumed that since the car has been already offered for second chance offer, I am no longer required to buy this car from him. I needed a car badly before thanksgiving (I did not tell this to the seller because this was a personal constraint that I had), so I purchased one more car from ebay and completed the transaction before thanksgiving. (No problems with that deal).

Fast forward to today, the seller files a dispute that I have not paid for the item. He tells me that the second chance offer guys did not buy the car from him either. He also emails me saying that my bid is a legal contract and he will take me to the court.

I dont know if he is joking or if he is serious. Can anyone give me some advice on how to handle this situation? I would really appreciate any help.

Update : Please see the dispute log. Please read from bottom.

seller


If YOU had a problem with only being able to pick up on certain days then YOU should have asked if
that was ok BEFORE YOU bid. I can't guess what days & its not my fault you couldn't arrange certain
special days to come & get this car YOU bid on & YOU won.
If you think your off the hook now just
because you think you have found an excuse & now have gone & bought another car, you have another
thing coming. I can legally take you to court & win as your bids were a legal binding contract!



me


Sir, I think there is some misunderstanding. I never said that I will buy it after thanksgiving. I
said I was going on a vacation and would be out for a month. To answer your question, I had every
intention of picking up this car BEFORE thanksgiving, please note that the delay was NOT from my end.
That is how / why I ended up buying another car.
I have honestly explained my situation and my side
of the story. I have nothing more to add.



seller


YOU said you could not get the car until after Thanksgiving & since we needed the money right away
that you would be ok if the next highest bidder was allowed to win the car. We did NOT want to do
that as we would get $100. less & be charged extra fee's but we needed to sell it & you not being
able to get right away put us in bind.
You said if we couldn't find another buyer the next time you
could come & get it was after Thanksgiving. Well??
How could you NOT get this one & yet buy another?



me


I am sorry 4 any mis-communication. When you offered the car for second chance option to someone else
, it basically means that you are offering the car for sale to someone else. Since you are offering
the car to someone else, I assumed that I no longer have to go through with this deal. The urgency
to buy a car was from a personal issue which I did not reveal to anyone. I purchased and paid 1 more
car(item:1700xxxxxx) b4 thanksgiving. You can check it. I am sorry for any inconvenience. Thanks.



seller


We were not able to work out a time the first 2 weekends, however you said even after that, you had
no way to come and get it at that time. I think it unfair to use that as an excuse then. You then
told me you would not be able to get it until after Thanksgiving then and to try the 2nd chance option.
Everyone passed as it had been too long and they had all gotten something else. Since your still high
bidder & did not tell me you wanted out of transaction, your still legally liable for purchase!



me


I was ready to pick up the item on 2 instances, but the seller was unavailable during that time. I
spoke to seller and since we could not work out a time for pickup, he said he would make a second
chance offer to the second highest bidder. In the interim, due to my urgent need for a car, I went
ahead and purchased another car.



eBay


An Unpaid Item dispute has been opened for the following item: Pontiac : Fiero (#2700xxxxxx)
Reason given for Unpaid Item: The buyer has not paid for the item.
Buyer actions reported by seller: The buyer has not responded.
 
disclaimer: I have no experience with ebay and your situation

My personal opinion is that you'll probably be fine since he went ahead and offered it to the second highest bidder already
 
Originally posted by: HaxorNubcake
disclaimer: I have no experience with ebay and your situation

My personal opinion is that you'll probably be fine since he went ahead and offered it to the second highest bidder already

That is exactly my very same thought too... if he has offered the car for sale to someone else after the bidding was over, isnt it a breach of contract?
 
have anything in writing? Does eBay keep a record of him contacting the next bidder?
I'd get your phone records (when you called and such) ready, also info about how long you had to arrange for a pickup.

Documentation is your friend, but depending on what is documented it might not help.

Not that I know much about eBay and how transactions like this work, but I would read over the eBay terms and conditions in regards to the Second Chance Offer.
 
Originally posted by: Britboy
Just keep a copy of his emails and you are fine IMHO. Tell him to get lost.

The thing is that we discussed most of this over the phone... but he has opened a dispute and he has mentioned that
1) He was unavailble during the 2 weekends when I attempted to pick up the vehicle.
2) He has offered the item to second highest bidder.
 
Are bids on eBay really legally binding anyway? I'd like to see the seller produce a contract.

Note: IANAL.
 
send him an email with all the pertinent facts & stuff u 2 had discussed. my guess is that he's hoping since everything was discussed orally, he could somehow use that as leverage to threaten you (since nothing was in writing). don't buy into his stupid charade. he's just pissed that he couldn't get 2 prospective buyers to buy his car. if he continues threatening you with a lawsuit, tell him to go ahead & do it...my guess is he won't go through the motions.

cover yourself NOW by sending him an email.
 
Originally posted by: Xstatic1
send him an email with all the pertinent facts & stuff u 2 had discussed. my guess is that he's hoping since everything was discussed orally, he could somehow use that as leverage to threaten you (since nothing was in writing). don't buy into his stupid charade. he's just pissed that he couldn't get 2 prospective buyers to buy his car. if he continues threatening you with a lawsuit, tell him to go ahead & do it...my guess is he won't go through the motions.

but in case he files a case? what then?
I need to know if my case is good against him. i have copied the dispute log in my OP.
 

I've just read over the second chance rules here and it seems to me that (unless he has a second identical item) he implicitly accepted your request to void this deal.

I can see, however, how he might have thought that you were still "on the hook" if the second chance bidder didn't bite. Better communication wojuld have helped you both.
 
Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

I've just read over the second chance rules here and it seems to me that (unless he has a second identical item) he implicitly accepted your request to void this deal.

I can see, however, how he might have thought that you were still "on the hook" if the second chance bidder didn't bite. Better communication wojuld have helped you both.

where do you see this point?
 
He would have to prove to a court that you cost him money I would imagine... he would be lucky to get his fees awarded to him for ebay if anything.

 
Originally posted by: dxkj
He would have to prove to a court that you cost him money I would imagine... he would be lucky to get his fees awarded to him for ebay if anything.

actually he qualifies for free re-listing of the item. I dont know why he is acting like such an ass.
 
Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

I've just read over the second chance rules here and it seems to me that (unless he has a second identical item) he implicitly accepted your request to void this deal.

I can see, however, how he might have thought that you were still "on the hook" if the second chance bidder didn't bite. Better communication wojuld have helped you both.

just confirmed from a ebay rep. that he indeed made a second chance offer to someone else.
 
Originally posted by: The Seller
If YOU had a problem with only being able to pick up on certain days then YOU should have asked if
that was ok BEFORE YOU bid. I can't guess what days & its not my fault you couldn't arrange certain
special days to come & get this car YOU bid on & YOU won.

I think legally you're in the clear, but I agree with The Seller here, you should have made sure before bidding that the car was available for pickup on the days you needed it. You were the one with unreasonable time constraints so the burden was on you to be sure he was available.

Having said that, I think you'll be fine.
 
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Originally posted by: The Seller
If YOU had a problem with only being able to pick up on certain days then YOU should have asked if
that was ok BEFORE YOU bid. I can't guess what days & its not my fault you couldn't arrange certain
special days to come & get this car YOU bid on & YOU won.

I think legally you're in the clear, but I agree with The Seller here, you should have made sure before bidding that the car was available for pickup on the days you needed it. You were the one with unreasonable time constraints so the burden was on you to be sure he was available.

Having said that, I think you'll be fine.

His time constraints don't seem very unreasonable. The seller sold a car, but wasn't able to find the time to meet with the OP on two consecutive weekends. That's not the OP's fault.
 
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Originally posted by: The Seller
If YOU had a problem with only being able to pick up on certain days then YOU should have asked if
that was ok BEFORE YOU bid. I can't guess what days & its not my fault you couldn't arrange certain
special days to come & get this car YOU bid on & YOU won.

I think legally you're in the clear, but I agree with The Seller here, you should have made sure before bidding that the car was available for pickup on the days you needed it. You were the one with unreasonable time constraints so the burden was on you to be sure he was available.

Having said that, I think you'll be fine.

but even after the auction he agreed for the weekend pickup. Just because the delay was from his side, he is suggesting that this is my fault.
 
that whole ebay bid a is legal contract is just a bunch of BS, uness you have a notarized copy with my signature, it won't get you anywhere.
 
I don't think there's anything unreasonable at all about wanting to pick up the vehicle on the weekend. In fact, I'd bet that the vast majority of purchases that are made by someone >2 hours away and are picked up (i.e. vehicles) in person, are picked up on the weekend.
 
Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

I've just read over the second chance rules here and it seems to me that (unless he has a second identical item) he implicitly accepted your request to void this deal.

don't stress over this. if it were me............i would send him an email that if he feels he needs to take legal action to do so, but that i would be suing him for court costs, any attorney fees i incurred...and for emotional distress (it's holiday season you know).
 
Originally posted by: halik
that whole ebay bid a is legal contract is just a bunch of BS, uness you have a notarized copy with my signature, it won't get you anywhere.

Yep

Legaly he doesnt have a leg to stand on.

Go tell him to pound sand.
 
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