Originally posted by: iversonyin
Are we looking at something we commute in everyday? Or are we looking at a weekend ski trip get away car?
At that price range, I would look at some used sport cars....you know...the one with RWD.
If you drive manual...SI
If you drive automatic....GTi with DSG is amazing
Thats a simplest I can put it
Originally posted by: iversonyin
If you drive manual...SI
If you drive automatic....GTi with DSG is amazing
Thats a simplest I can put it
Maintenence and upkeep will be more on the VW.Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: iversonyin
If you drive manual...SI
If you drive automatic....GTi with DSG is amazing
Thats a simplest I can put it
I think this is good advice. :thumbsup: I'll probably go for the GTI, but my friends are telling me to consider the Si, because the parts for it are much cheaper (aftermarket parts). The only reason I would buy an Si is because it is more reliable. But then again, I'm only going to put around 10-12,000 miles a year on it anyways, so I don't think reliability will be an issue for the life the car has with me. Plus, I could use the practicality of a bigger hatch. Some people I talked to said, "It's a fast car (the GTI), but isn't it like a small minivan?" I guess the style's more popular in Europe than here, huh?![]()
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Maintenence and upkeep will be more on the VW.Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: iversonyin
If you drive manual...SI
If you drive automatic....GTi with DSG is amazing
Thats a simplest I can put it
I think this is good advice. :thumbsup: I'll probably go for the GTI, but my friends are telling me to consider the Si, because the parts for it are much cheaper (aftermarket parts). The only reason I would buy an Si is because it is more reliable. But then again, I'm only going to put around 10-12,000 miles a year on it anyways, so I don't think reliability will be an issue for the life the car has with me. Plus, I could use the practicality of a bigger hatch. Some people I talked to said, "It's a fast car (the GTI), but isn't it like a small minivan?" I guess the style's more popular in Europe than here, huh?![]()
How long do you plan to keep the car? If the answer is as long as possible, then Honda. Look at any set of statistics or talk to an unbiased person, purely from numbers and experiences, you have a much better chance of reliability and lower maintenence costs from a Honda than you do from VW. If people say that this new model is very reliable, how long have they used it for? A year? two? three? That doesn't say much if you'll be keeping it for 10+ years. My accord has thankfully done very well, clutch wasn't changed till 185k miles and it has been very reliable over the years.
Other than ricers who get 6 foot wings and such, the Honda folks, like any group of car enthusiasts, are good at what they do. For any brand you buy, there will be tons of DIY guides online, plenty of aftermarket, etc.
My personal recommendation - decide how long you want to keep it, pull up numbers on reliability and maintenence costs, and then decide. This assume that you like both cars. If you don't like one, well, then the other is your choice unless you want to look at more choices.
Something interesting to note - from the people I know, I've found many more people switch away from VW to Toyota/Honda/Subaru/Mazda than I have the other way around. This trend might tell you something, and yes, I'm prepared to be bashed by the VW guys. Just look at statistics, they've been posted in the past and I've dug them up before, but don't have the time or desire to do it, they're out there on google, just have to look around a little.Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Maintenence and upkeep will be more on the VW.Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: iversonyin
If you drive manual...SI
If you drive automatic....GTi with DSG is amazing
Thats a simplest I can put it
I think this is good advice. :thumbsup: I'll probably go for the GTI, but my friends are telling me to consider the Si, because the parts for it are much cheaper (aftermarket parts). The only reason I would buy an Si is because it is more reliable. But then again, I'm only going to put around 10-12,000 miles a year on it anyways, so I don't think reliability will be an issue for the life the car has with me. Plus, I could use the practicality of a bigger hatch. Some people I talked to said, "It's a fast car (the GTI), but isn't it like a small minivan?" I guess the style's more popular in Europe than here, huh?![]()
How long do you plan to keep the car? If the answer is as long as possible, then Honda. Look at any set of statistics or talk to an unbiased person, purely from numbers and experiences, you have a much better chance of reliability and lower maintenence costs from a Honda than you do from VW. If people say that this new model is very reliable, how long have they used it for? A year? two? three? That doesn't say much if you'll be keeping it for 10+ years. My accord has thankfully done very well, clutch wasn't changed till 185k miles and it has been very reliable over the years.
Other than ricers who get 6 foot wings and such, the Honda folks, like any group of car enthusiasts, are good at what they do. For any brand you buy, there will be tons of DIY guides online, plenty of aftermarket, etc.
My personal recommendation - decide how long you want to keep it, pull up numbers on reliability and maintenence costs, and then decide. This assume that you like both cars. If you don't like one, well, then the other is your choice unless you want to look at more choices.
I plan on keeping it for around 5-6 years, which means AT LEAST 50-60,000 miles. That doesn't sound too bad, I guess. I heard VW's start to become a money pit after 90,000.
Originally posted by: hans007
i would probably actually buy the civic just because its much more reliable. probably cheaper too. but the gti is hot. looks hot, and with dsg would be easy to drive and commute in. of course in 3 years it'll be falling apart and costing hundreds in repairs...
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: hans007
i would probably actually buy the civic just because its much more reliable. probably cheaper too. but the gti is hot. looks hot, and with dsg would be easy to drive and commute in. of course in 3 years it'll be falling apart and costing hundreds in repairs...
Considered it, even did a couple of hours of research. The bottom line is that while the Si might be a better track car because of it's LSD, it has to rev to a ridiculous amount of RPM to get any torque out of it at all, where as the GTI is torquey even at a low 1800 RPM. Still considering both, though.
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: hans007
i would probably actually buy the civic just because its much more reliable. probably cheaper too. but the gti is hot. looks hot, and with dsg would be easy to drive and commute in. of course in 3 years it'll be falling apart and costing hundreds in repairs...
Considered it, even did a couple of hours of research. The bottom line is that while the Si might be a better track car because of it's LSD, it has to rev to a ridiculous amount of RPM to get any torque out of it at all, where as the GTI is torquey even at a low 1800 RPM. Still considering both, though.
but remember while it does has a high redline, while at WOT you will never even use those low RPM's since it's geared to stay in the higher RPM's
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: hans007
i would probably actually buy the civic just because its much more reliable. probably cheaper too. but the gti is hot. looks hot, and with dsg would be easy to drive and commute in. of course in 3 years it'll be falling apart and costing hundreds in repairs...
Considered it, even did a couple of hours of research. The bottom line is that while the Si might be a better track car because of it's LSD, it has to rev to a ridiculous amount of RPM to get any torque out of it at all, where as the GTI is torquey even at a low 1800 RPM. Still considering both, though.
but remember while it does has a high redline, while at WOT you will never even use those low RPM's since it's geared to stay in the higher RPM's
But the VTEC kicks in at 6250 RPM, which is a ridiculous amount for daily driving. For normal shifting, MT drivers usually shift at 4-5k RPM. If you haven't voted/expressed your opinion yet, do it now!![]()
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: hans007
i would probably actually buy the civic just because its much more reliable. probably cheaper too. but the gti is hot. looks hot, and with dsg would be easy to drive and commute in. of course in 3 years it'll be falling apart and costing hundreds in repairs...
Considered it, even did a couple of hours of research. The bottom line is that while the Si might be a better track car because of it's LSD, it has to rev to a ridiculous amount of RPM to get any torque out of it at all, where as the GTI is torquey even at a low 1800 RPM. Still considering both, though.
but remember while it does has a high redline, while at WOT you will never even use those low RPM's since it's geared to stay in the higher RPM's
But the VTEC kicks in at 6250 RPM, which is a ridiculous amount for daily driving. For normal shifting, MT drivers usually shift at 4-5k RPM. If you haven't voted/expressed your opinion yet, do it now!![]()
every car is different, some cars might have to shift higher or lower, me personally I shift at 3k cus I have enough torque to keep up with traffic at those rpm's and not use much gas
Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
I can't wait to get my hands on my brothers car. 400whp Neon ftwheelspin.
Fixed
I'm going to guess SRT + 3R + extra toys + spray?
- M4H
Nah... he's sending me a list of parts he is ordering (he's in the Navy, gets out in august. I get to play w/ his toy til he gets back). It is a custom set, lemmie see if I can find the links. No spray though![]()
EDIT: And yes, FTWheelspin. Off the line, she's gonna be a beast, but once moving, invincible.
Here's the list of parts he has ordered (not the turbo yet, that comes in 3 weeks).
Ultimate Racing SRT-4 Upper Intercooler Cold Side Pipe Kit
HKS Blow off Valve(1421-SA001)
Walbro High Flow Fuel Pump SRT-4
AGP SRT-4 Fuel Return Line Kit
FIC SRT4 750cc Injectors with Spacers & Plugs
AEM UEGO Wide Band o2 Gauge : 30-4100
Apexi S-AFC NEO Fuel Controller
Prothane Race Motor Mount Inserts Dodge Turbo
HKS EVC Turbo Boost Controller
AGP SRT-4 T3/T04 Turbocharger Upgrade Kit + 50 trim turbo
Soon to come: upgraded clutch kit (before it is driven)
Originally posted by: Dritnul
scion tC (owner so i have to say it)
since the base price is <17K you can easily put a Turbo and any other mods you want for the base price of those other cars
Originally posted by: Dritnul
scion tC (owner so i have to say it)
since the base price is <17K you can easily put a Turbo and any other mods you want for the base price of those other cars
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
I can't wait to get my hands on my brothers car. 400whp Neon ftwheelspin.
Fixed
I'm going to guess SRT + 3R + extra toys + spray?
- M4H
Nah... he's sending me a list of parts he is ordering (he's in the Navy, gets out in august. I get to play w/ his toy til he gets back). It is a custom set, lemmie see if I can find the links. No spray though![]()
EDIT: And yes, FTWheelspin. Off the line, she's gonna be a beast, but once moving, invincible.
Here's the list of parts he has ordered (not the turbo yet, that comes in 3 weeks).
Ultimate Racing SRT-4 Upper Intercooler Cold Side Pipe Kit
HKS Blow off Valve(1421-SA001)
Walbro High Flow Fuel Pump SRT-4
AGP SRT-4 Fuel Return Line Kit
FIC SRT4 750cc Injectors with Spacers & Plugs
AEM UEGO Wide Band o2 Gauge : 30-4100
Apexi S-AFC NEO Fuel Controller
Prothane Race Motor Mount Inserts Dodge Turbo
HKS EVC Turbo Boost Controller
AGP SRT-4 T3/T04 Turbocharger Upgrade Kit + 50 trim turbo
Soon to come: upgraded clutch kit (before it is driven)
And after all that money it will be a riced out Dodge Neon. Maybe fast but still a Neon. I owned one before so I have the right to complain about them.
