Two more pics of the colors I liked more than Yellow!
Lightning Blue Viggen
Gunmetal/Silver Viggen
The second color is my favorite.
Rogo
Lightning Blue Viggen
Gunmetal/Silver Viggen
The second color is my favorite.
Rogo
Originally posted by: zerocool84
In all honesty, I would look into something that had 4 doors and has pretty good performance because I always thought that I would never need the 4-doors but it always comes in handy. Seriously at least give the Mazdaspeed 3 a look over if you are considering these two cars.
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: zerocool84
In all honesty, I would look into something that had 4 doors and has pretty good performance because I always thought that I would never need the 4-doors but it always comes in handy. Seriously at least give the Mazdaspeed 3 a look over if you are considering these two cars.
Does it have much in the way of a decent auto transmission? I mean, I'm ok with driving a MT, but the DSG is just too good to pass up, especially living in Los Angeles's suburbs ("405 freeway" pretty much sums it up).
EDIT: Those giant rear pillars on it look like they would be annoying (not much rear visibility). The numbers though, holy sh1t! Edmunds said, "STi speed, WRX price." :laugh: 0-60 in 5.9 is not bad at all. Anyways, edmunds criticized it for it's second rate suspension and clutch, any opinions?
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: zerocool84
In all honesty, I would look into something that had 4 doors and has pretty good performance because I always thought that I would never need the 4-doors but it always comes in handy. Seriously at least give the Mazdaspeed 3 a look over if you are considering these two cars.
Does it have much in the way of a decent auto transmission? I mean, I'm ok with driving a MT, but the DSG is just too good to pass up, especially living in Los Angeles's suburbs ("405 freeway" pretty much sums it up).
EDIT: Those giant rear pillars on it look like they would be annoying (not much rear visibility). The numbers though, holy sh1t! Edmunds said, "STi speed, WRX price." :laugh: 0-60 in 5.9 is not bad at all. Anyways, edmunds criticized it for it's second rate suspension and clutch, any opinions?
Well I live in Los Angeles too and traffic with manual transmission is really not that bad because the more you drive it, the more automatic it will be. You will not even realize you shift and your left foot will obviously get stronger the more you use it. DSG is grea IMO but I love shifting and it's something I hope they never get rid of because it is fun and gives you a better feel for the car. The clutch on the MS3 is not that good because I test drove a MS6 and everyone says it is the same thing so AFAIK it sucks.
Something you did not say is if you plan on modding the car at all. Do you want to keep it bone stock or do you want to make it more fun? These are options you should take into account. Parts for a Civic are cheaper than parts for a GTI but turbos are easier to get more power from but if you break something, it will be more expensive to replace than on a Civic.
In either case, I would look into the 4-door version of each one. Those extra doors are great.
The Civic does handle better than the GTI and that LSD on the Civic is great for cornering but the fit and finish and the torque are immensly better with the GTI.
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: zerocool84
In all honesty, I would look into something that had 4 doors and has pretty good performance because I always thought that I would never need the 4-doors but it always comes in handy. Seriously at least give the Mazdaspeed 3 a look over if you are considering these two cars.
Does it have much in the way of a decent auto transmission? I mean, I'm ok with driving a MT, but the DSG is just too good to pass up, especially living in Los Angeles's suburbs ("405 freeway" pretty much sums it up).
EDIT: Those giant rear pillars on it look like they would be annoying (not much rear visibility). The numbers though, holy sh1t! Edmunds said, "STi speed, WRX price." :laugh: 0-60 in 5.9 is not bad at all. Anyways, edmunds criticized it for it's second rate suspension and clutch, any opinions?
Well I live in Los Angeles too and traffic with manual transmission is really not that bad because the more you drive it, the more automatic it will be. You will not even realize you shift and your left foot will obviously get stronger the more you use it. DSG is grea IMO but I love shifting and it's something I hope they never get rid of because it is fun and gives you a better feel for the car. The clutch on the MS3 is not that good because I test drove a MS6 and everyone says it is the same thing so AFAIK it sucks.
Something you did not say is if you plan on modding the car at all. Do you want to keep it bone stock or do you want to make it more fun? These are options you should take into account. Parts for a Civic are cheaper than parts for a GTI but turbos are easier to get more power from but if you break something, it will be more expensive to replace than on a Civic.
In either case, I would look into the 4-door version of each one. Those extra doors are great.
The Civic does handle better than the GTI and that LSD on the Civic is great for cornering but the fit and finish and the torque are immensly better with the GTI.
Yeah, if I was going to get a GTI I was going to drop a $600 APR ECU chip in it, which gives it +52 HP and +82 lb/ft of torque, making it run 0-60 in under 6 seconds (as fast as the MS3). I know LSD is a great feature, but I think a GTI chipped would be a serious beast, and would run laps around the Cvic Si.
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Aharami
GTI here. It would be easier to mod. A chip and instant 50+ hp, 30 tq
umm have you ever heard of honda??? there are a million more mods for a civic than prolly every new vw put together. it is cheaper to mod a civic and there are more parts out there for them.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10837/clash-of-the-icons.html
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=3370
you choose..........im sure someone will throw in the MS3 in here at some time which would be in the same category as these cars
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I've driven both and pick the Si hands down... 8k rpm redline, that's one characteristic I like, I really don't give the slightest ****** if people say it's rice, it's a fun car and hearing the engine scream to 8,000 rpm is amazing.
Originally posted by: amicold
8,000 RPMs? Oooooooo, my Dremel has 22,000 RPMs. Hearing it scream while I take the cutting wheel to something is amazing.
Originally posted by: Mellman
If you don't mind a 4 door hatch consider the 2007 mazdaspeed 3, i hate the interior on the civic SI, and am not a fan of the new VW style... the mazdaspeed 3 is a whole lot of car for ~23K
Originally posted by: slikmunks
Originally posted by: Mellman
If you don't mind a 4 door hatch consider the 2007 mazdaspeed 3, i hate the interior on the civic SI, and am not a fan of the new VW style... the mazdaspeed 3 is a whole lot of car for ~23K
MAZDA... SPEED... 3!!!
the aftermarket is starting to fire up for the speed 3... (and the 6, which makes me)... there's a company working on an aftermarket turbo good for up to 450awhp (on the speed6) that matches up to the stock manifold... no, you don't bolt up and get 450awhp, but prelim testing had it at ~360awhp untuned iirc... AND it pulls to redline... which is
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lol, wtf are you talking about?Originally posted by: amicold
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I've driven both and pick the Si hands down... 8k rpm redline, that's one characteristic I like, I really don't give the slightest ****** if people say it's rice, it's a fun car and hearing the engine scream to 8,000 rpm is amazing.
Did you just hear what you said? Hear the engine scream? What? It's not even 2 litres of displacement, it's 1.99800. I can drink more liquid in terms of volume in a sitting than the engine has. It's not screaming at all, it's crying in a high pitched whine because it doesn't like you beating on it, or bogging it down with your bodyweight.
8,000 RPMs? Oooooooo, my Dremel has 22,000 RPMs. Hearing it scream while I take the cutting wheel to something is amazing.
You sure you would? What about warranty issues? With a VW and based on frickin statistics, you will definitely have to take it in for many issues.Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Xyclone
Originally posted by: zerocool84
In all honesty, I would look into something that had 4 doors and has pretty good performance because I always thought that I would never need the 4-doors but it always comes in handy. Seriously at least give the Mazdaspeed 3 a look over if you are considering these two cars.
Does it have much in the way of a decent auto transmission? I mean, I'm ok with driving a MT, but the DSG is just too good to pass up, especially living in Los Angeles's suburbs ("405 freeway" pretty much sums it up).
EDIT: Those giant rear pillars on it look like they would be annoying (not much rear visibility). The numbers though, holy sh1t! Edmunds said, "STi speed, WRX price." :laugh: 0-60 in 5.9 is not bad at all. Anyways, edmunds criticized it for it's second rate suspension and clutch, any opinions?
Well I live in Los Angeles too and traffic with manual transmission is really not that bad because the more you drive it, the more automatic it will be. You will not even realize you shift and your left foot will obviously get stronger the more you use it. DSG is grea IMO but I love shifting and it's something I hope they never get rid of because it is fun and gives you a better feel for the car. The clutch on the MS3 is not that good because I test drove a MS6 and everyone says it is the same thing so AFAIK it sucks.
Something you did not say is if you plan on modding the car at all. Do you want to keep it bone stock or do you want to make it more fun? These are options you should take into account. Parts for a Civic are cheaper than parts for a GTI but turbos are easier to get more power from but if you break something, it will be more expensive to replace than on a Civic.
In either case, I would look into the 4-door version of each one. Those extra doors are great.
The Civic does handle better than the GTI and that LSD on the Civic is great for cornering but the fit and finish and the torque are immensly better with the GTI.
Yeah, if I was going to get a GTI I was going to drop a $600 APR ECU chip in it, which gives it +52 HP and +82 lb/ft of torque, making it run 0-60 in under 6 seconds (as fast as the MS3). I know LSD is a great feature, but I think a GTI chipped would be a serious beast, and would run laps around the Cvic Si.
Why the hell would you mention that in a thread like this? Showing people you like muscle cars and are above those who drive Civics? Congrats, you've impressed ATOT.Originally posted by: SketchMaster
Originally posted by: amicold
8,000 RPMs? Oooooooo, my Dremel has 22,000 RPMs. Hearing it scream while I take the cutting wheel to something is amazing.
Indeed, give me the tone of a 69 GTO ANY DAY.
