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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Why can't the new Corvette beat out the Porsche? Although I agree with the sentiment that you can't trust everything you read, you can't judge them either until you've driven them. From what I've seen of the new Vette, it undoubtedly handles as well, brakes as quickly and probably spanks the porsche in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. It cost's less, and IMO looks a lot better then a Porshe who haven't changed their car's overall looks since the 60's.
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Well, if you look at the performance ratings and the subjective ratings the Porsche wins hands down. It is only when you factor in price that the lesser cars rise to the top.

I don't think price should have as much weight as the R&T writers seem to think it should.

There's a shot of the 911 S in the magazine with the brake rotors getting a bit of red glow to them as the car rushes up to a corner that looks really sweet!
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Your right on the 0-60 and 1/4 times, I was thinking they tested the Z06 since that would still place it well under $100k mark. Whereas the Carrera is almost $100k and can barely be tested at its "as tested" price. The Corvette then is litterally HALF the cost and 99.9% of the performance. IMO that makes the Vette the winner hands down, I would much rather own the Vette and would have more of a chance at affording it too.

Vette : Zero to 60 mph = 4.5 sec. 1/4 = 12.8.
Skidpad = 0.98g slalom = 70.2 mph.

Carrera : Zero to 60 mph in 3.9 sec. and 1/4 = 12.3 (we got a 4.4 and 12.8, respectively, in a previous test)
Couldn't find slalon and skidpad figures in the online article just this

"The Carrera S was one of three cars to break the 67-sec. barrier around the West Loop, coming within four-tenths of a second from taking top honors. Despite having less power than the two faster cars (the Chevrolet Corvette and Dodge Viper), the 911 ranked highest in terms of overall balance. (Note: We performed our on-track evaluations with the PSM yaw-control system turned off.)"

So basically, it looks to me like Carrera's differ quite a bit since those 4.4 and 12.8 numbers vs the 3.9 and 12.3 were different. In motor trend, their numbers were much closer to the 4.4 and 12.8. Crazy how much if can change from car to car.

Also, if you spent a bit more and did get the Z06 vette, you'd still be spending less and would most definetely have the faster car. Even though it isn't out and hasn't been tested, I'm willing to bet the new Z6 would spank this Porsche.

I dunno - I guess I just agree with R&T's overall assessment here.
 
car and driver has always been a FAR superior magazine. maybe their layouts used to be boring, but when it comes to writing and testing, they own.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
car and driver has always been a FAR superior magazine. maybe their layouts used to be boring, but when it comes to writing and testing, they own.
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I don't know...I like Peter Egan's ramblings. I'd probably be a Car and Driver subscriber if it weren't for him. I almost always laugh out loud reading his columns. His latest about Lucas electronics is priceless.

I think I'll try Autoweek because another of my biggest complaints is the huge delay in Formula One coverage also. Sometimes get 2 race results from a month earlier in one issue which is pathetic for a car enthusiast rag.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
All the major car magazines are influenced by advertising dollars and cannot be completely trusted. One case in point (of interest to JulesMaximus, I'm sure), when Car and Driver compared the then newly USDM released STi and Evo8 in June 2003, and had Rod Millen do the test driving, they conveniently neglected to mention that MillenWorks is a contractor for Mistubishi, and that his son Rhys has been a pro rally driver for Mitsubishi.
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Theres almost no point in comparing the two they are so close, its almost all subjective to the driver and reviewer. Yes I own a Evo, yes the STI is sweet, I just don't like the bird scoop and liked the Evo's firmer suspension better
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
car and driver has always been a FAR superior magazine. maybe their layouts used to be boring, but when it comes to writing and testing, they own.
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I don't know...I like Peter Egan's ramblings. I'd probably be a Car and Driver subscriber if it weren't for him. I almost always laugh out loud reading his columns. His latest about Lucas electronics is priceless.

I think I'll try Autoweek because another of my biggest complaints is the huge delay in Formula One coverage also. Sometimes get 2 race results from a month earlier in one issue which is pathetic for a car enthusiast rag.
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lol... F1 coverage is just horrible... one measly paragraph per race with some big ass picture and thats it. sometimes they combine 2 races... yey. 😕

i would subscribe to Autosport if it weren't $100 per year. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Why can't the new Corvette beat out the Porsche? Although I agree with the sentiment that you can't trust everything you read, you can't judge them either until you've driven them. From what I've seen of the new Vette, it undoubtedly handles as well, brakes as quickly and probably spanks the porsche in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. It cost's less, and IMO looks a lot better then a Porshe who haven't changed their car's overall looks since the 60's.
Click to expand...

Well, if you look at the performance ratings and the subjective ratings the Porsche wins hands down. It is only when you factor in price that the lesser cars rise to the top.

I don't think price should have as much weight as the R&T writers seem to think it should.

There's a shot of the 911 S in the magazine with the brake rotors getting a bit of red glow to them as the car rushes up to a corner that looks really sweet!
Click to expand...

Your right on the 0-60 and 1/4 times, I was thinking they tested the Z06 since that would still place it well under $100k mark. Whereas the Carrera is almost $100k and can barely be tested at its "as tested" price. The Corvette then is litterally HALF the cost and 99.9% of the performance. IMO that makes the Vette the winner hands down, I would much rather own the Vette and would have more of a chance at affording it too.

Vette : Zero to 60 mph = 4.5 sec. 1/4 = 12.8.
Skidpad = 0.98g slalom = 70.2 mph.

Carrera : Zero to 60 mph in 3.9 sec. and 1/4 = 12.3 (we got a 4.4 and 12.8, respectively, in a previous test)
Couldn't find slalon and skidpad figures in the online article just this

"The Carrera S was one of three cars to break the 67-sec. barrier around the West Loop, coming within four-tenths of a second from taking top honors. Despite having less power than the two faster cars (the Chevrolet Corvette and Dodge Viper), the 911 ranked highest in terms of overall balance. (Note: We performed our on-track evaluations with the PSM yaw-control system turned off.)"

So basically, it looks to me like Carrera's differ quite a bit since those 4.4 and 12.8 numbers vs the 3.9 and 12.3 were different. In motor trend, their numbers were much closer to the 4.4 and 12.8. Crazy how much if can change from car to car.

Also, if you spent a bit more and did get the Z06 vette, you'd still be spending less and would most definetely have the faster car. Even though it isn't out and hasn't been tested, I'm willing to bet the new Z6 would spank this Porsche.

I dunno - I guess I just agree with R&T's overall assessment here.
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Handling and class factor.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Last year the WRX-STi won the best Sports Car under $100k beating out the Porsche 911 and the 350Z. This year the STi isn't even in the running for best sports car and the new Boxster beats the superior 911 and a Corvette wins??? WTF???

<--Seriously considering canceling my subscription. :|
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As always, if you want the raw winner, look at the number without price. The 911 wins handily without considering price, with the Boxster in second and the Corvette in 3rd. R&T's comparisons always factor in price and lower-performing cars with a lower price are always favored if the performance differential is on the small side. They aren't mis-representing the cars' abilities at all.

ZV
 
Hmm, magazine who tallies the opinions of several editors who have driven all of the cars over a few hundred miles vs. some twit on ATOT...

Who would you trust?
 
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